[iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fast? in OptimumOnline http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21106602 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:22:10 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:22:10 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21190339 mertallix : To every one that has no clue, Your TV makes you HDTV look good not the service, Ive seen Fios and Io next to each other on the same channels, No difference, get a good tv that's the ticket also they all have breakup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21190339 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:22:14 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21164482 eival : last i checked Fios charges double for the same download speeds that cablevison offers in their Boost pricing(60 bucks, ill let you do the math)
doesnt seem like a reason to dig up my yard for it...maybe if they didnt delete their 50/50 package like i seen when they first started this service i would still be interested, but payig 120+ for the same speed that i have now isnt appealing to me.

and other than when theres actuall issues with repairs like ive had over the last 2 days, i get 30/5 all day an night, an my HD signal is perfect, ive been watchin sports mainly over the past year an i dont see any image imperfections other than when its a 720p feed an i have it zoomed to fill my tv, then ill see some minor pixels around the score box and station logo.

an as for VoIP, i have my xbox 360 hooked up an talk over XBL all the time, i never have any breakups unless im DL torrents.

Fios is basically like Blu Ray or 1080p, at first everyone was all hyped about it cause of the suposed specs an performance, then shortly after it unvailed people found it wasnt that big of a deal an went back to what they've been using(standard DVDs and 720/1080i resolutions) google BluRay to see how "great" its doing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21164482 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:11:28 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21137228 JDCMAN : They either changed it, or I'm just totally wrong. Thanks for pointing that out.

Hopefully we'll get some good promos though, and I've heard of people getting some pretty good retention offers from both companies...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21137228 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:00:35 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21136819 majortom1029 : High Definition
Set Top Box
Up to $9.99/month Choose from our large selection of high definition programming. Over 20 eye-popping channels
Enjoy hit movies, sports and your favorite shows with more clarity than ever
Programming options including the Interactive Programming Guide (IPG), Video On Demand (VOD) and access to commercial-free CD-quality music


thats what their website states about hd box. Their price list is here.
»www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv···ices.htm

So Unless they arent marketing their stuff you have to pay more for a hd box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21136819 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:47:37 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21135808 JDCMAN : If I remember, Verizon also charges no fee for the first 3 HD boxes. With cablevision, you'd be paying about $20 in rental fees per month for that equipment. You might not pay an HD channel fee, but you do pay rental fees on the boxes.

Verizon is swarming my town as we speak, and I talked to a tech- it's FiOS, and it should be ready to order by the end of 2008. I might switch, but Cablevision's service has been good for me. If they're willing to compete (even if I have to call retentions), I might stay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21135808 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:48:43 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21135365 majortom1029 : You do realise that verizons video is setup pretty much the same way right?

The thing is that nobody complained when verizon got rid of their analog but you guys complain when cablevision wants to do it.

verizon uses the same 850mhz type system . When cablevision gets rid of all their analog and upgrades to docsis 3 we should see better pic quality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21135365 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:35:46 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21134558 Jmartz :
said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

That's nice and all.. but completely ignoring my point. I never said Verizon's PQ isn't higher than CV's. I have no idea if it is, as I don't have either service.

The person I was replying to stated FiOS is uncompressed video. It is not. End of story. Doesn't matter how much better than CV it is, that's not even the point. It's still compressed.
But that point is all semantics... digital video is always compressed somehow... even in the facility it originates from, it's compressed...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21134558 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:42:31 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21134269 Thinkdiff : That's nice and all.. but completely ignoring my point. I never said Verizon's PQ isn't higher than CV's. I have no idea if it is, as I don't have either service.

The person I was replying to stated FiOS is uncompressed video. It is not. End of story. Doesn't matter how much better than CV it is, that's not even the point. It's still compressed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21134269 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:43:24 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21134096 Jmartz :
said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

I was merely pointing out your misconception that HD is uncompressed on FiOS. It's still compressed, just not by Verizon. Not even talking about CV here.. It's just unfair to say HD on Verizon is uncompressed when it definitely is not.
There is a big difference... Verizon passes the HD as they receive it onto the customer... Cablevision USED to do that, but on some channels, they are compressing them too much. I was amazed at the SD picture quality on Verizon as well... not only was Verizon passing the HD signal to customers as they receive it... they appear to be passing the SD signal the same way... and they have more SD channels, without the use of Switched Video... so if you ask me, it's clear that Fiber is much, much more robust. Cablevision needs to upgrade so they have more space... getting rid of analog will help, but the fact remains they are using SDV, which is horrible. And that suggests that they aren't going to be upgrading, but instead squeezing whatever they can into the space they currently have.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21134096 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:05:04 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21133815 Thinkdiff : I was merely pointing out your misconception that HD is uncompressed on FiOS. It's still compressed, just not by Verizon. Not even talking about CV here.. It's just unfair to say HD on Verizon is uncompressed when it definitely is not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21133815 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:03:27 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131062 majortom1029 : It was shown on these boards that not all channels are compressed. The voom channels are some of the channels that arent compressed. (prob becuase rainbow media runs them)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131062 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:43:46 EDT Re: analog? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130962 Jmartz :
said by Ken Peterson See Profile :

said by Jmartz See Profile :

So if you think they look good, that's your opinion
Hey now, isn't that the purpose of posting here? To venture our opinions? You state yours, I state mine. I can respect yours...
that came across wrong, i apologize. But I still think Cablevision needs to ease up on the compression... 4 hd channels on one frequency is just not good. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130962 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:25:34 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130960 Jmartz :
said by RARPSL See Profile :

said by Jmartz See Profile :

I still think Cablevision should add the East and West feeds of all the movie channels, plus their HD counterparts. It would make their movie package more attractive... I personally don't care that the west feeds are delayed.. it's still nice to time shift.
CV DOES carry the West Coast Feeds of the Movie Channels already (or are you saying that some of the Channels are not also available as their 3-hour delayed West Coast Feeds)?
FIOS Carries all the west coast feeds... cablevision only carries select west coast feeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130960 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:24:38 EDT Re: analog? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130800 Ken Peterson :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

So if you think they look good, that's your opinion
Hey now, isn't that the purpose of posting here? To venture our opinions? You state yours, I state mine. I can respect yours...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130800 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:50:57 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130659 RARPSL :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

I still think Cablevision should add the East and West feeds of all the movie channels, plus their HD counterparts. It would make their movie package more attractive... I personally don't care that the west feeds are delayed.. it's still nice to time shift.
CV DOES carry the West Coast Feeds of the Movie Channels already (or are you saying that some of the Channels are not also available as their 3-hour delayed West Coast Feeds)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130659 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:25:51 EDT Re: analog? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130460 Jmartz :
said by Ken Peterson See Profile :

said by Jmartz See Profile :

Cablevision is compressing the picture. I have new lines in my house and the picture quality is terrible. Even from across the room.
Maybe for you... the Equator channel on Voom looks great on my HD sets, as does FoodTV and the other HD channels.
There is proof that they compress the channels floating around on this board. Cablevision has 3 and in some instances 4 HD channels in frequencies that are only designed for two. So if you think they look good, that's your opinion, but I'm telling you real HD looks a lot better and Cablevisions HD could look a lot better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130460 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:18 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130378 ViperNY : Td.

In a perfect world like a lab you may have a case. But it is well documented both here and on the Yahoo board that SD and HD digital channels are over compressed and break up all the time. I complained for years, then got fed up calling and got the opportunity to switch and did.

Like I said, everyone has a different take and need. For the money, Fios wins by miles, free VOD with any premium channel you subscribe too (CV = $4.95 each), superior GUI and instant Guide response. Multi-room DVR and with latest software it has too many features to list. Internet, port 21 is wide open and there is no triggers or blocks no matter how many MB's or GB's you download. Pound for Pound, your paying the same money, you just get so much more with Verizon except News12.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130378 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:35:34 EDT Re: analog? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130160 Ken Peterson :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

Cablevision is compressing the picture. I have new lines in my house and the picture quality is terrible. Even from across the room.
Maybe for you... the Equator channel on Voom looks great on my HD sets, as does FoodTV and the other HD channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21130160 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:50:12 EDT Re: analog? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21129864 Jmartz :
said by blotto5 :

if you have a cable box than your getting a digital tv signal now all cablevisions lines are digital its just the prelaid analog coax lines already run through the house that people dont want to replace that is limiting people and making them see a lower quality tv signal im experiancing that problem right now the reason its so much better on fios is because the fios guys lay new cable through the house(i talked to one). i think both have then same tech and quality i like optimum because it has boost with 30/5 and i consistently get 25/4 or higher.
Cablevision is compressing the picture. I have new lines in my house and the picture quality is terrible. Even from across the room.

Oh, and when I suggested on the Yahoo board that the picture quality should get better when analog channels were dumped the last time I was pretty much laughed at. Seems Cablevision is happy with the quality right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21129864 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:34:50 EDT analog? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21128857 anon : if you have a cable box than your getting a digital tv signal now all cablevisions lines are digital its just the prelaid analog coax lines already run through the house that people dont want to replace that is limiting people and making them see a lower quality tv signal im experiancing that problem right now the reason its so much better on fios is because the fios guys lay new cable through the house(i talked to one). i think both have then same tech and quality i like optimum because it has boost with 30/5 and i consistently get 25/4 or higher.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21128857 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:40:57 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21128590 majortom1029 : YEs and one of the ways to do that is to do what verizon has done since april get rid of the analog channels.

People in here dont want cablevision to do that though and still want verizon quality channels. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21128590 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:51:51 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21128467 Jmartz : FIOS TV picture quality is superior to Cablevisions in every way. I had a chance to look at it the other day, and you can't see compression in the picture.

Not only that, but their GUI and user interface is much, much better. Oh, and pressing the guide button actually brings up the guide.... instantly. Plus there channel selection is pretty damn good. I still think Cablevision should add the East and West feeds of all the movie channels, plus their HD counterparts. It would make their movie package more attractive... I personally don't care that the west feeds are delayed.. it's still nice to time shift.. I used to get East and West local channels on DirecTV.. it was great, especially in primetime when you forget to set your DVR, or if the DVR doesn't record... you can catch up 3 hours later when it airs on the west coast.

Cablevision needs to spend the money to upgrade their plant capacities to handle more channels, they need to do away with analog, and start adding channels that FIOS has. And then they need to ease up on compression.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21128467 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:28:51 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21128336 jaa : Correct - I misread the table in the article. The coax used by Cablevision is capable of delivering 1.5gigabit speed.

Right now there is no difference between what is delivered over coax and what is delivered over fiber - they all deliver the same thing (TV, internet, and phone).
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said by ViperNY See Profile :

HD channels are not compressed and don't break up.
HD channels are always compressed in some way. They may not be as compressed as CV, but they are still compressed.

Break-ups on CV would be due to signal level, not the compression. That is fixable.

Regardless, you pick what works best for you. FiOS is coming to my area soon, so I'll probably try out the best internet package I can get for 65 bucks and see how it works. I'll probably end up keeping OOL because of boost. I'll never leave my DirecTiVos though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21125982 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:32:31 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21125944 ViperNY : I switched from CV to Fios and the biggest differences that I notice are that the HD channels are not compressed and don't break up. The internet is always 20/5, day/night/weekends, never slows down. Last, the phone is cyrstal clear. I had OV for 2 years and always had issues, breaking up, call would not go through, or I could not get through from my cell phone.

Everyone has a different take, and its not for everyone. News12 is important to some, cable ready (no box) to others. However, if your looking for features, bells and whistles then Fios may be the right choice for you.

Vipz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21125944 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:23:52 EDT Re: [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fas http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107166 jaa : RG-11 Coax is capable of 165gbps (yes, gigabits per second). »broadcastengineering.com/mag/bro···l_cable/

Not sure by what you mean "allows it to do more". Right now, it seems they do pretty much the same thing - deliver TV, phone, and internet.

FIOS (fiber) does offer more speed (at a higher price) than OOL right now.
OOL (HFC) offers wi-fi hotspots currently, FIOS does not.

Neither CV nor Verizon have services limited by the technology - it is limited by what people want and are willing to pay for. That could change in the future, but so will the technology. The only question is whether or not the technology will continue to keep up with the demands.

According to a recent study, Japan has the best broadband of any country. The most prevalent broadband there is DSL with 44% of the market. »Japan Is The Only Country Future-Ready for Broadband

Don't get hung up on the transmission media - that is not the limiting factor today.
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiOS#Technology]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21106619 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:01:18 EDT [iO] FIOS & Cable box use coax, so are they both just as fast? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21106602 anon : I realize that FIOS is capable of being faster than cable if maybe they put fiber through the home.

That said, currently i think its just coaxed through the home where cable is coaxed through longer stretches along their system. Since coax is being used anyway and only 1 coax feed, I don't understand why their not considered as having the same capacity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21106602 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:52:38 EDT