Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) in HughesNet Satellite http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21110398 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:57:29 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:57:29 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21194397 Renthorin : How do you find out if flow control is on?

I am not fap'd and my DL speed is 42kps :-(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21194397 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:52:40 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193901 jwhite6069 : Today I got my speed back. A couple of times I noticed even faster than what I had before. I have a DW7000 and I'm on Satmex 5 177w transponder 1070 (The weakest one).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193901 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:21:15 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21170477 nissan552 : Just seems like they sell these packages for ridiculous rates and since all the satellites are overloaded they slow down the speeds with flow control so its really there fault and they should only need to have FAP since flow control seems to be on all the time now. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21170477 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:14:02 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160083 anon : I believe this jpg of Speed Meter Pro speaks for itself. This has been going on for some time. My connection from about 12 Noon to 12 Midnight is unusable. I called tech support yesterday which was a complete waste of time. Who trains these people? If I weren't as polite as I am I would have laughed. I spent the entire time on the phone with tech level 1 and 2 going over my account phone number, the fact that I was still using a 7000, but had just ordered a 9000 - that's all that was covered. When I asked for level 3 the tech said he had to do some "things" before I could do this. Then I would have to do a Hughes speed test and I told him I couldn't do that because I wasn't at home, but that I would do it later that evening and call then. It was so slow then I couldn't even get the speed test page loaded.

This morning I'm at about 100 Kbs, so doing a speed test is pointless. I'm not trying to prove to them I get an acceptable speed 1/2 the time - just the opposite.

This is just a catch 22.
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Speed Meter Pro test
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160083 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:26:38 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158394 rloose :
I'm on IA6 at 970 MHz. Flow control is on almost all the time now. The only time in nearly two years that Hughes has delivered my "up to" speeds was the day the system was installed while the installer was running the speed test. It is clear that Hughes is delivering less than I'm paying for consistently and on purpose. This is a deceptive business practice. I could not get away with this as an individual running a small business.

Rich
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Dell XPS 400/HN7000S/.78M dish/1 watt/steel pole mount/93W/1086MHz/R=Vertical/T=Horizontal/Msps 21.5/Pro level contract]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158394 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:38:27 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156873 jwhite6069 : I'm going through the same BS on my DW7000, Noticed a significant drop this week.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156873 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:15:34 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21154660 anon :
said by PhilD13 See Profile :

Took me almost 10 minutes with flow control and bad RTT (go hand in hand) last night (between 10 pm and 11:30 pm) to upload a 401k file to my site. Flow control was on for at least 20 hours btw. It was so slow that I thought the ftp server was having a problem which turned out it was not. I did have tech support increase the timeout of the server which helped some as the server was disconnecting due to no response from client.

So I must say, that flow control limits the connection by at least as much as being FAP'd if not more. You know slow the speed down so much everyone jumps off.
I've used my Hughes connection for several years to upload updates/changes to my website. It took me a while to figure out why it was taking much longer to upload a simple and small change to the site. When I started using a bandwidth flow monitor, I came to realize that, regardless of whether the flow control is on or not, ftp transfers are handled by Hughes at a much slower rate than would be normal http uploading. It would appear that, as Hughes is managing bandwidth, ftp transfers are given a much lower priority than http transfers. When I'm doing an ftp transfer and watching the bandwidth monitor, I'll see that, for example, a couple hundred Kb of data may upload. Then, there will be a pause, which can last from a few seconds to 1/2 minute, before another couple hundred Kb of data flows. Further, even if there is little or no traffic when you are doing the upload, it still proceeds slowly because ftp transfers, like secure transfers, don't receive any form of acceleration like normal http transfers do.

If I was getting my normal (http) upload speeds with my Hughes connection on my ftp transfers, my website updates would be reasonably fast. As it is, they take virtually the same amount of time that they used to take with my very slow dial-up connection, and this has been the case on all three of the satellites and numous transponders and gateways to which I've been assigned. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21154660 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:18:56 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21154205 PhilD13 : Took me almost 10 minutes with flow control and bad RTT (go hand in hand) last night (between 10 pm and 11:30 pm) to upload a 401k file to my site. Flow control was on for at least 20 hours btw. It was so slow that I thought the ftp server was having a problem which turned out it was not. I did have tech support increase the timeout of the server which helped some as the server was disconnecting due to no response from client.

So I must say, that flow control limits the connection by at least as much as being FAP'd if not more. You know slow the speed down so much everyone jumps off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21154205 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:41:41 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153706 anon :
said by PhilD13 See Profile :

Coupled with the fact my modem says Flow Control In Effect - Yes is BAD and what the statement in the pdf that flow control provides feedback to control traffic flow. I read this to mean Hughes is regulating flow (or traffic) to the transponder, which in turn limits your throughput speed/bandwidth, therefore not getting what you payed for. This may also be the cause of red X's on the RTT in diagnostics. They seem to go hand in hand.
I don't have my Ku system anymore, but, when I did and when the flow control was on, the maximum speeds were clearly capped at 1/2 of their normal level. If my normal cap on the small office plan was at 1200 down, when the flow control was on, speeds dropped immediately as if someone flipped a switch to the 500-600 range. As soon as the flow control was off, they immediately jumped back up to the 1100 to 1200 range. So, I'm confident that, when the flow control is on, the speeds are capped at a lower level. What I'm not sure of, though, is whether there are multiple lower levels at which the speeds might be capped, depending on just how heavy bandwidth demand is at a particular time. Even though mine were capped at 50%, there may well be other levels of capping the speeds, too. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153706 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:13:48 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152642 rloose : I've done many speed tests while the flow control is in effect. It cuts my download speeds by a factor of 1/2 to 1/3 of speeds without it.

Rich
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Dell XPS 400/HN7000S/.78M dish/1 watt/steel pole mount/93W/1086MHz/R=Vertical/T=Horizontal/Msps 21.5/Pro level contract]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152642 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:36:22 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21123055 PhilD13 : Coupled with the fact my modem says Flow Control In Effect - Yes is BAD and what the statement in the pdf that flow control provides feedback to control traffic flow. I read this to mean Hughes is regulating flow (or traffic) to the transponder, which in turn limits your throughput speed/bandwidth, therefore not getting what you payed for. This may also be the cause of red X's on the RTT in diagnostics. They seem to go hand in hand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21123055 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:48:03 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21122932 Raminto : Found this about float control:
»www.direcway.com/HUGHES/Doc/0/SI···1206.pdf

....but I still do not exactly know if this is just a monitoring tool or if it really can slow down the speeds while in effect.
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dw7000/.98m/2watt/Horizon1/1390/256k4/5 /xp sp2/desktop compaq 6330CA/linksys wireless/thinkpad xp pro/Toughbook CF-28 xp pro]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21122932 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:14:00 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21115689 PhilD13 : Wish I knew just exactly what flow control is also. It gets me every single day. Seems like it is their way to regulate the amount of traffic on a transponder without using FAP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21115689 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:44:48 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110398 rloose :
Stupid Question:

What exactly is "flow control"? I assume it limits bandwidth and speed. Any one know more about it?

Rich
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Dell XPS 400/HN7000S/.78M dish/1 watt/steel pole mount/93W/1086MHz/R=Vertical/T=Horizontal/Msps 21.5/Pro level contract]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21110398 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:26:52 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107653 nissan552 : This is what I like to see


Well that's because flow control is off I'll be back to dialup speeds by 4pm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21107653 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:54:58 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21097564 bastnpny : I have reported them to BBB twice now. The first time was over the email issue and I got 3 months credit. This last time was this past weekend when they FAP'd me. I would recommend filing a complaint with the BBB. I will be getting rid of them soon. Nothing else available out there but Wild Blue and that is where I am going. Its the principle of it now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21097564 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:22:51 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21097519 Qoiz : lol even my old x2 dialup got 90/40 consistantly, thats the saddest thing ever.. tell them to not rip you off from now on]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21097519 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:43:12 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21096614 nissan552 : Monitoring interval THU SEP 11 21:37:29 2008 - THU SEP 11 21:42:29 2008

Uplink packets rcvd 8961 BAD
Flow control in effect YES BAD
FAP in effect NO GOOD

What do I do to deserve this I would be happy to get half of the pro plus plan.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21096614 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:47:10 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21091216 fineware : Keep calling those shmoes. Eventually they get tired of talking to you in India and raise it to Tier 2 support. The exact same thing happened to me on 83W/1430. After two complaints they eventually got it fixed. (fingers crossed)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21091216 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:30:10 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21091054 DivineRiku : The BBB is the only way to get thru to their thick @$$ heads.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21091054 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:53:53 EDT Re: [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21090923 nissan552 : Well talked to technical support and they were very rude and unhelpful at all, I am sick and tired of being pushed around like this and am sending a notice to the BBB, There customer service is horrible and there speeds are horrible and there price is just a scam. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21090923 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:32:04 EDT [HN7000S] Flow control (slow speeds) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21090174 nissan552 : Flow control in effect YES BAD
FAP in effect NO GOOD

Monitoring interval WED SEP 10 18:55:53 2008 - WED SEP 10 19:00:53 2008

For the last idk ever every night which is 4pm till 12am its slower then dial-up can anyone explain this I barely even use hughes anymore it's so bad.

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