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jbgroup1
Non Conformist
Premium
join:2000-05-04
Dayton, MD

Typical for me...

...is about 10 GiB per month but this month has been high at 30 GiB. I also have VOIP and don't know how much that uses.
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BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

said by jbgroup1:

...is about 10 GiB per month but this month has been high at 30 GiB. I also have VOIP and don't know how much that uses.
VoIP doesn't use that much. Even if you used it 24/7 it would use less than 30 GB a month.

Where Comcast is going to get into trouble is that THEIR VoIP doesn't count against the cap but Vonage, Packet 8, Skype etc VoIP service does. I have no doubt that Comcast will have to eventually make ALL VoIP traffic not count against their cap to avoid legal trouble.

stevephl

join:2000-11-27
Colorado Springs, CO

I have my own issues with the impending 250GB but on the subject of VOIP, I use T-Mobile's VOIP, but I understand why Comcast excludes their own VOIP from the cap, simply it's because the users pay a VOIP fee on top of their Comcast connection where as other VOIP users do not pay Comcast any additional fee's.



BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

said by stevephl:

I have my own issues with the impending 250GB but on the subject of VOIP, I use T-Mobile's VOIP, but I understand why Comcast excludes their own VOIP from the cap, simply it's because the users pay a VOIP fee on top of their Comcast connection where as other VOIP users do not pay Comcast any additional fee's.
I'm pretty sure Vonage customers are paying Vonage for their service. Let's face facts, this is a ploy to enourage VoIP customers to use Comcast's overpriced VoIP service over others.


jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL

Two posts above yours it's pointed out that VOIP doesn't use very much bandwidth at all. And that is correct.



DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
kudos:2

reply to jbgroup1


I would be @#%@#
I would not do so good on comcast cable.


jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA

It does not look too bad. You only breach the limit on 2 occasions in almost 2 years, and one of these was just barely exceeding the 250GB max. Considering your normal usage, you might not have been bothered in that one off month unless the system was degraded.

Don't you have two separate modems going into one router in your setup? If so, wouldn't you have two Comcast accounts with a total of 500GB (250GB each) available if you did the same thing with Comcast?


openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2

reply to DaMaGeINC
Why? It looks like you would be fine with exception of March



DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
kudos:2

reply to jmn1207
LOL, this is just my laptop ALONE!!! And yes. 2 connections. Soon to be a 3rd!



jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA

said by DaMaGeINC:

LOL, this is just my laptop ALONE!!! And yes. 2 connections. Soon to be a 3rd!
Hog!!


WinterHawk

@comcast.net

reply to BF69
You are right, Vonage users using Comcast pay Vonage for their VOIP. But they do not pay Comcast for their VOIP. Vonage gets away with using other people's (in this case Comcast) infrastructure for free. Which is why Vonage is cheaper than Comcast. The cost of Vonage using Comcast infrastructure is spread out to all the comcast users.

If your to-the-house telephone wires are owned by say Quest, then you use Sprint for local telephone service, Quest recoups the cost of the to-the-home infrastructure from Sprint. Not so with Comcast and Vonage.



bbrlogue
Learning New Things Daily
Premium
join:2003-12-07
Alexandria, VA

said by WinterHawk :

Vonage gets away with using other people's (in this case Comcast) infrastructure for free.
LOL, then so does your porn service, Google, Yahoo, Barack Obama, John McCain, and just about everybody else then!


jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA

If it were measurable, could I set a cap or charge advertisers that utilize my senses? I'd give large corporations huge discounts on my sound and vision package. They can pipe all their advertisements through my eyes and ears for only a few dollars each month. If they exceed their allotted bandwidth limit, I'll send them a bill for few thousand dollars and we can work out a settlement.



miscDude

@208.17.34.x

reply to BF69
Didn't I read someplace that Comcast actually splits their VOIP offering out from their internet service?

Basically, while it is technically VoIP services, It doesn't actually use the same IP network as their consumer internet does. If that's the case, then I can easily see them not running into any legal trouble since it's technically not using the same connection/network as other VoIP providers.

And before people complain about Comcast not giving Vonage/etc access to the same network/connection Connection, I'd like to see how that would work in the first place. If Comcast is basically just using VoIP for the last mile, but is switching everything like a "traditional" phone service the rest of the way, then I don't see how vonage or other VoIP providers can complain since their connection to the "traditional" phone network is located much further from the end user.

(NOTE: "Traditional phone service" in this day an age is still switched digitally, but the network routes and operates very differently from the internet... And the phone network is also seperate from the internet network.)



Eric 74

@marvell.com

reply to BF69

said by BF69:

said by jbgroup1:

...is about 10 GiB per month but this month has been high at 30 GiB. I also have VOIP and don't know how much that uses.
VoIP doesn't use that much. Even if you used it 24/7 it would use less than 30 GB a month.

Where Comcast is going to get into trouble is that THEIR VoIP doesn't count against the cap but Vonage, Packet 8, Skype etc VoIP service does. I have no doubt that Comcast will have to eventually make ALL VoIP traffic not count against their cap to avoid legal trouble.
BF69, why do you say VOIP doesn't use that much? By my calculation I can talk on the phone for a little over 11 hours per month. Over that I will get into trouble with Comcast.

I have Vonage, and its bandwidth saver has three settings: 30kbps (normal sound quality), 50kbps (higher sound quality) and 90kbps (highest sound quality). I'm using the mid-range 50kbps.

By my calculation, 50kbps=6.24kBps, so I would use my entire 250GB allotment if I talk on the phone for 250,000,000/6240 seconds.


Eric 74

@marvell.com

In case anyone cares, I made a calculation error in the above. I used three too few zeros for 250GB. So at Vonage's 50kbps setting, I should have more like 11,000 hours of talk time per month. I should be able to say everything I need to say in this amount of time. Plus 11,000 hours vastly exceeds the amount of time anyone can talk in a month.



jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA

said by Eric 74 :

Plus 11,000 hours vastly exceeds the amount of time anyone can talk in a month.
It may not be mathematically possible, but a teenage girl can probably find a way to make it happen.

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