| Conveniently ignore HD I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used.
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| said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. If people are savvy enough to do all that, they should be savvy enough to look into meters. If not, time to learn. Be responsible for yourself. |
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said by GhostDoggy: they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. The word is that a tool to measure usage from Comcast will debut around the time that the caps come in to play - Oct 1. |
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Camden, TN | reply to GhostDoggy
said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. LEGALLY acquired HD movies online are in the 6 GB range. So you'd have to download about 42 a month to go over the cap. Considering they cost about $6 to rent, that's $250 a month. If one can afford that I think one could afford getting a second account. |
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somewhere | reply to LeftOfSanity
said by LeftOfSanity:said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. If people are savvy enough to do all that, they should be savvy enough to look into meters. If not, time to learn. Be responsible for yourself. saavy? what are you talking about ... all you need to do is go to like abc.com or something and right there in big bold letters it says something like 'CLICK HERE TO WATCH YOUR FAVORITE SHOWS IN HD QUALITY' anybody can do that.
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somewhere | reply to BF69
said by BF69:said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. LEGALLY acquired HD movies online are in the 6 GB range. So you'd have to download about 42 a month to go over the cap. Considering they cost about $6 to rent, that's $250 a month. If one can afford that I think one could afford getting a second account. i dont know about movies, all i know is i was streaming several gigabytes a day watching episodes of lost for free on abc.com in hd. As more and more people watch tv in hd, the streams will be available online too for free 
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Camden, TN | said by Frank:said by BF69:said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. LEGALLY acquired HD movies online are in the 6 GB range. So you'd have to download about 42 a month to go over the cap. Considering they cost about $6 to rent, that's $250 a month. If one can afford that I think one could afford getting a second account. i dont know about movies, all i know is i was streaming several gigabytes a day watching episodes of lost for free on abc.com in hd. As more and more people watch tv in hd, the streams will be available online too for free As far as I know ABC's "HD" offerings stream at a max rate of 2 Mbps and as low as 850 Kbps. Even if you get 2 Mbps stream all the time ofr 6 hours a day that = 150 GB a month. Leaving 100 GB left over for other things. |
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somewhere | said by BF69:As far as I know ABC's "HD" offerings stream at a max rate of 2 Mbps and as low as 850 Kbps. Even if you get 2 Mbps stream all the time ofr 6 hours a day that = 150 GB a month. Leaving 100 GB left over for other things. 1) you're assuming only one person lives there
2) it only streams 850kbps if your connection is crappy or if your bandwidth is being taken up by other things.
3) when it does stream under 2mbps the picture quality drops and is no longer hd.
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Camden, TN | said by Frank:said by BF69:As far as I know ABC's "HD" offerings stream at a max rate of 2 Mbps and as low as 850 Kbps. Even if you get 2 Mbps stream all the time ofr 6 hours a day that = 150 GB a month. Leaving 100 GB left over for other things. 1) you're assuming only one person lives there 2) it only streams 850kbps if your connection is crappy or if your bandwidth is being taken up by other things. If there is more than 1 person in the house using the connection then #2 would apply would it not?
Also say there was 4 computers in the house. Are you suggesting that all 4 would stream HD content at the same time? So each person in the family is in his/her own little room by themsleves watching TV on their computer screens? Kind of sad isn't it?
Ayways I doubt even if you had 16 mbps connection that 4 or even 3 people could watch HD content at the same time and stream it as the max 2 mbps rate. I don't care if the math says that's only 8 Mbps. In the REAL world there would be issues with the stream.
I'm not sure why people bring up the most extreme examples. yeah sure if you have 8 people inthe house each with their own computer and each using their connections at least 16 hours a day, yes a 250 cap will be a problem. You know what I'm not worried about those people. Well I am worried, but not for the reasons we ae talking about here. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by GhostDoggy: they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. The word is that a tool to measure usage from Comcast will debut around the time that the caps come in to play - Oct 1. I have yet to see the"word." Could you please show us?
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said by BF69:said by Frank:said by BF69:As far as I know ABC's "HD" offerings stream at a max rate of 2 Mbps and as low as 850 Kbps. Even if you get 2 Mbps stream all the time ofr 6 hours a day that = 150 GB a month. Leaving 100 GB left over for other things. 1) you're assuming only one person lives there 2) it only streams 850kbps if your connection is crappy or if your bandwidth is being taken up by other things. If there is more than 1 person in the house using the connection then #2 would apply would it not? Also say there was 4 computers in the house. Are you suggesting that all 4 would stream HD content at the same time? So each person in the family is in his/her own little room by themsleves watching TV on their computer screens? Kind of sad isn't it? Ayways I doubt even if you had 16 mbps connection that 4 or even 3 people could watch HD content at the same time and stream it as the max 2 mbps rate. I don't care if the math says that's only 8 Mbps. In the REAL world there would be issues with the stream. I'm not sure why people bring up the most extreme examples. yeah sure if you have 8 people inthe house each with their own computer and each using their connections at least 16 hours a day, yes a 250 cap will be a problem. You know what I'm not worried about those people. Well I am worried, but not for the reasons we ae talking about here. 1) no, #2 wont apply if there's more than 1 person in the house. most cable connections are at LEAST 6mbps. If you were talking about a 3mbps dsl connection then i'd agree with you.
2) nowadays most people have a computer and a small TV in their room and a big TV in the living room since it's rare that anybody ever agrees on watching the same program so I don't see why you think it's far fetched for different people wanting to watch different things in their rooms?
3) you're failing to account for all the other crap that goes on and gets downloaded. IE: software updates, video game console downloads, online gaming, vpn traffic, etc. etc. etc.
4) you're also failing to account for other hd services such as hulu. also, how long do you think it will be before netflix, youtube, and other networks start streaming in hd eh?
5) I believe that the original argument you were trying to make was something along the lines of 'the only people who would use that much bandwidth was for illegal means' or at least it was so implied when you wrote 'LEGALLY' in all caps. All of the examples I listed are legal, and it is possible to easily reach said limits with a household of two or three people, thus defeating your argument, so now you're saying that it's EXTREME which is your opinion and not a fact. 
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Here it is:
"How does Comcast help its customers track their usage so they can avoide exceeding the limit?
There are many online tools customers can download and use to measure their consumption. Customers can find such tools by simply doing a Web search - for example, a search for "bandwidth meter" will provide some options. Customers using multiple PCs should just be aware that they will need to measure and combine their total monthly usage in order to identify the data usage for their entire account."
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Camden, TN | reply to Frank
said by Frank:1) no, #2 wont apply if there's more than 1 person in the house. most cable connections are at LEAST 6mbps. If you were talking about a 3mbps dsl connection then i'd agree with you. 2) nowadays most people have a computer and a small TV in their room and a big TV in the living room since it's rare that anybody ever agrees on watching the same program so I don't see why you think it's far fetched for different people wanting to watch different things in their rooms? 3) you're failing to account for all the other crap that goes on and gets downloaded. IE: software updates, video game console downloads, online gaming, vpn traffic, etc. etc. etc. 4) you're also failing to account for other hd services such as hulu. also, how long do you think it will be before netflix, youtube, and other networks start streaming in hd eh? 5) I believe that the original argument you were trying to make was something along the lines of 'the only people who would use that much bandwidth was for illegal means' or at least it was so implied when you wrote 'LEGALLY' in all caps. All of the examples I listed are legal, and it is possible to easily reach said limits with a household of two or three people, thus defeating your argument, so now you're saying that it's EXTREME which is your opinion and not a fact. No I didn't imply that. All I ask is for clarification. if you "downloaded" a movie well there very few LEGITIMATE places to get those vs many where it's illegal. All I'm asking is where. Also if someone says this puts a crimp in thier 8 GB movie downloads well I know that's illegal because even HD downloads are at most 6 GB and most SD movies are 2 GB. And frankly if someone is in fact downloading illegally I don't care if a cap impacts that. GOOD.
right now there's very little HD streaming going on. I went to ABC.com they have very little HD content. Certainly not enough that you could watch 12 hours a day every day. As far as Hulu, most of their stuff isn't even in 480p yet. Most of it is 360p. They have very little in HD. And I suspect "HD" will mean 540p. Even it's it's 720p once again were talking a couple of years before the majority of their content is in 720p. By then Comcast should have docsis 3.0 in all their areas and either raising the cap or getting rid of it all together.
Now if everyone in the house is getting most of their TV through sites like Hulu then why not just cancel cable and use the savings to have another internet account? |
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Carlisle, PA | reply to Frank
This is just a way for Comcast to hamper innovation. It's simple to use examples of current technology and say "oh 250gb cap is plenty!" Yet, earlier someone posted a log of basically his UL & DL for a year. You can see that in just one year, he's been increasing his usage on ONE computer. The point is more to look toward the (hopefully) near future. They want a foothold to say "well we've had a cap now for awhile, we're not changing it." This will keep HD streaming from becoming more of a reality. Watching TV on your computers will have its growth slowed to a crawl. What happens if you can't watch TV on your computer? You watch Comcasts cable. If you can't use Netflix to stream your movies? You use Comcasts on-demand.
I have two computers (soon to be a third) on my network, a PSP, a DS, a Wii, an Xbox360 and a PS3. I really don't want to have to monitor how much bandwidth I'm using each month just because Comcast doesn't want to spend money to accommodate the people it has sold service to. I also don't want to see new, innovative products, get hampered because people are afraid of going over some limit. |
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said by canesfan2001:Here it is: "How does Comcast help its customers track their usage so they can avoide exceeding the limit? There are many online tools customers can download and use to measure their consumption. Customers can find such tools by simply doing a Web search - for example, a search for "bandwidth meter" will provide some options. Customers using multiple PCs should just be aware that they will need to measure and combine their total monthly usage in order to identify the data usage for their entire account." » ccbeta.comcast.com/(X(1)S(qftkav···eter#why Very good. You quoted the official release. But there will be a Comcast supplied monitoring tool according to insiders - which you apparently aren't privy to like I am.
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Camden, TN | reply to Soldae
said by Soldae: It's simple to use examples of current technology and say "oh 250gb cap is plenty!" Yet, earlier someone posted a log of basically his UL & DL for a year. You can see that in just one year, he's been increasing his usage on ONE computer. The point is more to look toward the (hopefully) near future. They want a foothold to say "well we've had a cap now for awhile, we're not changing it." This will keep HD streaming from becoming more of a reality. Watching TV on your computers will have its growth slowed to a crawl. What happens if you can't watch TV on your computer? You watch Comcasts cable. No you go with Dish network or DirecTv to keep your money out of Comcast's pocket.
If you can't use Netflix to stream your movies? You use Comcasts on-demand. Just do it the old fashioned way and rent them. Yeah a pain but it keeps the money out of Comcast's pocket.
I have two computers (soon to be a third) on my network, a PSP, a DS, a Wii, an Xbox360 and a PS3. I really don't want to have to monitor how much bandwidth I'm using each month just because Comcast doesn't want to spend money to accommodate the people it has sold service to. I also don't want to see new, innovative products, get hampered because people are afraid of going over some limit.
Comcast is rolling out docsis 3.0 starting at the end of this year. So to say they aren't spending money on improvements is false.
If you don't want to monitor your bandwidth then you are just going to have to use another ISP then. That's the reality of the situation.
As far a your gaming. Playing online would use maybe 15 GB a month and that's playing 10 hours a day. |
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Funny that you're "privy" to insider info as I just got my Comcast service turned back on after 2 weeks of fighting with idiots in their "acceptable usage department" (at least that's what they called it. I was informed that not only does that department have no escalation abilities (I got hung up on my a couple of techs when I asked for proof of overage or a meter supplied by Comcast showing their official usage tracking) but that Comcast DOES NOT /NOR DO THEY PLAN TO OFFER however if I were "smart enough" to do a simple google search for "bandwidth usage meters" the techs were sure I could find something to track my usage. They agreed to turn my service back on but warned me if I went over 1 more time they'd disconnect my service for 12 months (Keep in mind the supposed effective date of this cap is supposed to be Oct 1, 2008, yet I was shut off in Mid Sept!) I'm paying almost $60.00 per month and I'm lucky to get 750kbps download speed!
Comcast is getting worse by the minute. Qwest's fiber optic service is looking more appealing by the minute. Even if they have terrible caps on their service at least I'd be able to reach those caps at the advertised speeds I'm paying for instead of some crappy speed limit imposed upon me by a company who won't do anything other than offer, at my cost, to replace my modem or rewire my house as it "could" be part of my speed problem according to them/their "how to deal with a customer reporting they've noticed our speed caps" script! |
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