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 GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
1 edit | Time to switch? This should be interesting.
I work from home and use my connection all day every day. I depend on it, and generally speaking AT&T's service there has been just fine, no issues really in 4 years.
If they really make enough changes which make using it as I currently do a problem or vastly more expensive, then it might be time to move to something else, which more than likely means Comcast.
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| Unless you're moving like 10 gigabytes per workday, or more, you really have little to worry about.
Unless you're running a commercial server or service (which you shouldn't be, technically, on a residential account), or running torrents 24x7, you won't run into these caps or limits, generally.
People are way, way too worried about this. | | |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by MyDogHsFleas:Unless you're moving like 10 gigabytes per workday, or more, you really have little to worry about. Unless you're running a commercial server or service (which you shouldn't be, technically, on a residential account), or running torrents 24x7, you won't run into these caps or limits, generally. People are way, way too worried about this. it depends. If it's a cap like Comcast which is 250 GB then no don't worry. If it's 40 GB like TW yeah then worry. At&t doesn't say what any potential cap will be. | |
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said by MyDogHsFleas:Unless you're moving like 10 gigabytes per workday, or more, you really have little to worry about. Unless you're running a commercial server or service (which you shouldn't be, technically, on a residential account), or running torrents 24x7, you won't run into these caps or limits, generally. People are way, way too worried about this. Perhaps today, but has your internet usage increased over the last 5 years? Do you think it will increase over the next 5?
I view this fun Cap situation like taxes and roads. Imagine the internet as public roads, and the government as your isp. You can travel on as much road as you want, but taxes will go to maintaining the road (your service fee.) now the government has determined that if you drive over too much road, you can't use it anymore. | |
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said by BF69:it depends. If it's a cap like Comcast which is 250 GB then no don't worry. If it's 40 GB like TW yeah then worry. At&t doesn't say what any potential cap will be. Yes I agree -- if TWC actually implements the 40GB tier that they are trialing in Beaumont, they will lose many work at home types.
(Actually the cap in Beaumont right now is probably zero, due to Ike.) | |
GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | said by MyDogHsFleas:said by BF69:it depends. If it's a cap like Comcast which is 250 GB then no don't worry. If it's 40 GB like TW yeah then worry. At&t doesn't say what any potential cap will be. Yes I agree -- if TWC actually implements the 40GB tier that they are trialing in Beaumont, they will lose many work at home types. (Actually the cap in Beaumont right now is probably zero, due to Ike.) Exactly, kinda why I say "we'll see."
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DampierPhillip M Dampier
join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY | reply to MyDogHsFleas
10GB per workday sounds like plenty right now, but it will be next to nothing within 24 months. Use a net appliance like Netflix or another video on demand provider, download an HD movie as part of your service, and you've just consumed 8GB for 720p HD. Want to watch video online? That will consume plenty as well.
I agree that running a torrent server 24/7 will blow through any usage cap, but there are plenty of totally legitimate applications that will as well, from online backup to video streaming.
Usage caps remain unjustified in an industry that is now looking for new higher profits from existing customers, all while creating a bandwidth crisis out of nothing but lobbyist hot air.
I have never seen a bandwidth cap that has saved any customer one penny - it generally costs a growing percentage of customers plenty, as the Internet continues to grow, along with the bandwidth many applications consume.
The best way to stop a forest fire of bandwidth caps is to fight them BEFORE they have a chance to get established. That means contacting the FCC and elected officials to consider investigations into the anti-competitive behavior such impediments provide.
In a global economy where the USA continues to fall further behind in broadband, installing artificial usage caps to raise a pile of cash only puts us more behind than ever. | |
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| said by Dampier:10GB per workday sounds like plenty right now, but it will be next to nothing within 24 months. Use a net appliance like Netflix or another video on demand provider, download an HD movie as part of your service, and you've just consumed 8GB for 720p HD. Want to watch video online? That will consume plenty as well. First, I don't think people download HD movies or watch HD video streams for work. I certainly don't.
For home entertainment, I agree that some part of the population would LIKE to do all their video watching online. But there are competing business models at play here. Plus, for most people, a STB plus a big HD TV in a comfortable living room is a much better viewing experience than a PC and a monitor, especially when you can get a few hundred channels (and a few dozen HD channels) for around $100/month, with no bandwidth issues -- it's all you can watch/record.
I agree that running a torrent server 24/7 will blow through any usage cap, but there are plenty of totally legitimate applications that will as well, from online backup to video streaming.
Most of the "cap ragers" are in fact the 24x7 bittorrent types. Very close to zero non-bittorrent users are going to get anywhere near 250GB/month.
Usage caps remain unjustified in an industry that is now looking for new higher profits from existing customers, all while creating a bandwidth crisis out of nothing but lobbyist hot air.
I have never seen a bandwidth cap that has saved any customer one penny - it generally costs a growing percentage of customers plenty, as the Internet continues to grow, along with the bandwidth many applications consume.
The best way to stop a forest fire of bandwidth caps is to fight them BEFORE they have a chance to get established. That means contacting the FCC and elected officials to consider investigations into the anti-competitive behavior such impediments provide.
In a global economy where the USA continues to fall further behind in broadband, installing artificial usage caps to raise a pile of cash only puts us more behind than ever.
This is just hot air and spin. Providing Internet access is a business, and the providers get to choose their competing business models and offerings, and you the consumer get to make a choice. No dark "corporations suck" conspiracies, please. Try living in a country where everything's provided by the state and you'll be much less happy, I am sure.
Personally, I would welcome a high cap like the 250GB one Comcast is implementing. Right now, it's like an all-you-can-eat buffet, with no one to watch that you aren't grabbing food off the buffet and handing it out the window to a large line of people who didn't pay the entry price, and no one to kick out the 400 pound guy who eats the equivalent of 15 servings three times a day. Those of us who like to pay for OUR use of the buffet, and aren't complete gluttons, would be happy to see those guys kicked out. | |
 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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said by Dampier:10GB per workday sounds like plenty right now, but it will be next to nothing within 24 months. Use a net appliance like Netflix or another video on demand provider, download an HD movie as part of your service, and you've just consumed 8GB for 720p HD. Want to watch video online? That will consume plenty as well. As long as you're willing to pay for that extra usage in 24 months, I don't think there will be a problem. If you're expecting that you can drastically increase your usage and have it not affect pricing, I'm afraid that's a pipe dream.
said by Dampier:Usage caps remain unjustified in an industry that is now looking for new higher profits from existing customers, all while creating a bandwidth crisis out of nothing but lobbyist hot air. Industry lobbying aside, there are real costs associated with providing the service. There is a finite pool of resources to be divided amongst subscribers -- those who are consuming 250GB today are not profitable customers. The system can only support a limited number of folks pulling that kind of usage without major upgrades and major changes to the price structure of the service. The move towards caps isn't a move to push higher profit margins, it's simply a matter of trying to stop a limited number of folks from bleeding a significant amount of profit out of the system. | |
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