Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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| reply to drew
Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations
downside to the armory is it allows people to prescan everyone asking to join, you could be extremely skilled but if you dont look good enough on the armory you wont ever get into a group of min/max type people.
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chaud
Serious Business
join:2004-07-09
Anderson, SC | That is why armory is the best thing they have added to the game so far! |
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drew
Reformation
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Port Orchard, WA
clubs: | And it's becoming quite apparent that you're a selfish snob.
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chaud
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Anderson, SC | »armorylite.com/us/gurubashi/chaud
My gear is trash, that is why I make the groups! |
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AB_Lazy
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said by drew  :And it's becoming quite apparent that you're a selfish snob. Welcome to the WoW playerbase. 
But he does make a good point. If your gear isn't up to par, you can always make the group...or find a geared friend to start the groups for you.
Nobody's questioning that you cannot do the content. However, it is a buyer's market as far as groups are concerned. Unless you're filling a hard-to-find role (ie. healer and/or tank), then groups have their choice of umpteen other PUG geartards to pick from.
Honestly, Armory and character inspection changes have made the game much less personal. No longer does anyone care wether the person can handle themselves, they just see the number of purples you have and assign you a "worth" based on that. Armory/inspection changes would've been a lot nicer had you the choice to take yourself off the radars, rather than be forcibly submitted. I totally understand the people who strip themselves naked before logging, just so Armory doesn't give them grief. |
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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Davenport, IA | reply to drew
Part of it will likely be that the T6 geared Heroic runners are doing it for the daily gold, not the gear, so they want to get in and out fast and *get* money, not pay more for a few wipes than they will make in the end. |
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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said by chaud :That is why armory is the best thing they have added to the game so far! Not necessarily, depending on when the armory scanned your information it could show you in the crappy play around gear. Look up Tylerderden on Hyjal if you want a laugh ;o)
He's been sitting in old crappy, yet funny-looking gears for farming old low level Herbs ;o) |
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Shatter
join:2006-07-24
Waterford, MI
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Yeah some instances dont need Tier 5+ gear. However some do need a minimum of gear unless you want to spend 3 hours of your night wasted. Ill give an example: ZA. The reason I wont go to ZA anymore I was reminded of last week when I broke my own rule and went cause they needed healing. We went with 3 people / 10 that were in some purples/some blues. However they had very low HP and when we got to Hexlord(I think I havent had coffee yet) they got raped on his shadow bolts...over and over. This is a good example where there is a minimum of gear needed to do an instance. They were fine first 4 bosses, but then their gear plateu'd and was insufficient. I dont do instances anymore with PUG newbs for a good reason, too many wearing crap and too many are stupid |
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Sithra
join:2008-02-07
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said by ErikVKing :Part of it will likely be that the T6 geared Heroic runners are doing it for the daily gold, not the gear, so they want to get in and out fast and *get* money, not pay more for a few wipes than they will make in the end. No chance, there are quicker ways of earning 25g than doing the daily heroic. |
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chaud
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| said by Sithra :No chance, there are quicker ways of earning 25g than doing the daily heroic. Badges -> Gems -> Gold
said by AB_Lazy :
Honestly, Armory and character inspection changes have made the game much less personal. No longer does anyone care wether the person can handle themselves, they just see the number of purples you have and assign you a "worth" based on that. Armory/inspection changes would've been a lot nicer had you the choice to take yourself off the radars, rather than be forcibly submitted. I totally understand the people who strip themselves naked before logging, just so Armory doesn't give them grief.
The people who opted out would just be not invited. That makes things even worse for them.
If I have the choice between a T4 mage and a T6 mage, I am going to take the T6 mage. |
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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said by Sithra :said by ErikVKing :Part of it will likely be that the T6 geared Heroic runners are doing it for the daily gold, not the gear, so they want to get in and out fast and *get* money, not pay more for a few wipes than they will make in the end. No chance, there are quicker ways of earning 25g than doing the daily heroic. Sure, I can run the SW dailies and get more than 25g in the time it takes to run the heroic - but if I had the choice, I'd do the heroic because it's more fun. Others may feel the same way. And, like chaud said, badges and gems and money all drop - plus the handful of greens to AH/DE, and the grey crap to vendor.
edit: Yes, I know greens and greys drop when doing SW dailies, so it's a moot point, and it kind of goes without saying. The point I guess is that you can get everything from the daily heroic that you get from a daily run of SW, but maybe have more fun in it if that's how you prefer to play. |
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ChrisG
join:2008-09-16
Montgomery, AL
| reply to DownLow
Face it, most of the people that play this game are spineless, normal, wimpy, computer age people. They dont have the balls to tell someone to fuckoff IRL. This is their escape, where they can not be help accountable for their actions. They are going to capitalize on every opportunity to boost their epeens. This is a fact of life, I'm sure we're all (even me) guilty of this. I used to be a serious asshole back in the old world days. I've really come to take a light hearted approach to this game and remember that there is a person behind that toon. I wish my attitude was contagious and more people would at least try to be decent to each other. I'm no angel, I still heckel people but there is a fine line between giving someone a slightly hard time when they goof something up and being completely cruel.
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drew
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Port Orchard, WA
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I just tranaferred back to my old PVP server, so I don't know if the armory has updated.
Look up Galain on Gorgonnash. 70 Druid.
I am most likely in my boomkin pve set as I was doing dailies all yesterday since I couldn't get a group.
As for the 'take the T6 mage over the T4 mage, yeah I totally understand that' however both groups that caused me to post this thread spent at least 20 minutes LF1M after rejecting me. I highly doubt that waiting those 20 minutes or more was worth trying to find someone marginally better geared.
I guess I will have to make the groups from now on.
I really miss the 'Well I am not sure if it'll work out, but do you want to try a few pulls to see how it goes?' days.
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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| said by drew :I really miss the 'Well I am not sure if it'll work out, but do you want to try a few pulls to see how it goes?' days. Yeah, some of those PuGs ended up being the most fun. I'm levelling a Warrior again and the last few SM runs I did we had not one healer - but, we had 4 Hunters and me, all of us DPSing ;o)
That was a blast! |
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pp03
join:2002-06-13
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to drew
Coming from someone who has been gearing up another character from scratch for fun before wotlk, I'll tell you what to do.
When I first hit 70 I had to use food, potions, and wizard oil to break 1k healing. My gear was trash.
I knew I couldn't heal heroics (Paladin) if there was multi-target damage (especially over agroing the tank direct damage), so that was out of the question.
How was I supposed to gear up? Simple, crafted pieces, and finding a gem of a guild. I found a guild with decent gear that was farming kara and wanted to gear up another healer. So, my gimp 1k healing was backed up by two healers with over 2k. Things like that happen when guilds need more of certain classes.
So here I am two weeks later and I'm over 1.8k healing. My main heal went from hitting (with light) for 1.2k to now 1.6k, which is huge.
Here is where you are either a nice guy or an asshole. I can stay with said guild and keep doing my four hour kara clears once a week and doing gruul and mag once a week or I can skip out on this guild and now I have the gear to be a trash player in a T5 or 6 guild.
Look, raiding is not what it used to be. I see you have said that you don't have the time to raid anymore. Let me tell you how much I raided to go from 1k to 1.8k plus healing.
Get ready for it, 5 hours a week. One hour in gruul/mag, and four hours in kara.
Guess what happens when I upgrade guilds, YOU don't run kara anymore or low tier 25 mans. Maybe you were an old school raider where you still needed to do full clears of MC to get people their pants and TF's on top of blackrock...lol I can't even remember the tier2 zone anymore. As well as getting half pieces in AQ40, it isn't like that anymore.
If I was in a T5 guild it would be ZA and whatever, if I was in T6 it would be BT and maybe one other, and so on. You really don't need to raid for more than 5 hours a week anymore.
Blizzard themselves said they made heroics not worth the rewards this time around. Some of those require equal gear to the rewards just to finish (or at least used to). In WoTLK heroics will be like you have mentioned, slightly harder 5 mans with basically a half tier epic/blue set. Then what you want to do will be viable. But still, you should gear in pvp/raids. It doesn't take massive dedication anymore and MUCH less in wotlk.
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ChrisG
join:2008-09-16
Montgomery, AL
| Any idiot can gear up in today's WoW. I wish they would revert back to the way heroics started out. Skilled healers with ~1500+ healing going oom on every single trash pull. Thats what I'm talking about. I want that hard shit. I did the tier 0.5 set completely on 2 characters back in the day, anyone remember how difficult that was? even for tier2 geared people, that stuff was no joke, talk about a serious grind for gear.
Blizzard keeps lowering the standard, and their playerbase grows, its so fucking sad. They need to make heroics HARD. Why even have normals now? I healed heroic Magister's Terrace as a tree with 1k plus healing, no wipes. ONE THOUSAND. WTF? Sure, I was busting my ass, but a lot of people would say thats half the plus healing required, yes trees are different. Thats supposed to be the hardest of hard heroics.
They need to make DIFFICULT 5 man and 10 man content, anyone remember the oldschool scholo and strat places? Where you could 5, 10 or (I think) 15 man. Anyone ever try 5 manning those back in the day? OMG. |
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ChrisG
join:2008-09-16
Montgomery, AL
| reply to drew
Lets think back to level 60. Remember looking at someone's gear. Nicely equipped with dungeon BoP blues and some purples = hey this person has been around a bit and probably knows their ass from a hole in the ground. Then there was the guy who was wearing like 90% BOE AH and crafted epics and then the one or two random greens. You could smell the nub on them.
Nowdays, BoP epics mean nothing. This latter generation of WoW players are so spoiled. Especially the ones that have been playing only since BC was released. The ones that weren't there for the server first kara boss kills. When Gruul and Mag were completely fucking HARD. The average player skill has dropped and continues to drop. This pve content simply does not force people to think on their feet and play well.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY NERFED THE BC PVE CONTENT?
I hate Blizzard. They set their standards so low and make shit so god damn simple that even the dumbest of dumb can do it. This is a simple tactic to recruit and retain as many people as possible. This is a strategy used when the military gets desperate for people, they lower the standard. Blizzard isn't desperate, just greedy. |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to pp03
said by pp03 :When I first hit 70 I had to use food, potions, and wizard oil to break 1k healing. My gear was trash. Again, nobody's saying that he isn't equipped enough for the content. The problem is, with PUG heroics, they armory his gear, see that he's in T4/hero rewards, figure he isn't worth the time/trouble, and take the next T5/6 person in queue. He could be willing to chug umpteen billion pots to bring his healing/DPS/etc. up, but none of that matters. If his purples aren't "up to par" for what the PUG heroics are looking for, they aren't going to take him.
That's why it's bullshit. You don't need T5/6 to clear hero content, and gear doesn't necessarily speak for the player's skill/character at all. |
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pp03
join:2002-06-13
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to ChrisG
said by ChrisG :Lets think back to level 60. Remember looking at someone's gear. Nicely equipped with dungeon BoP blues and some purples = hey this person has been around a bit and probably knows their ass from a hole in the ground. Then there was the guy who was wearing like 90% BOE AH and crafted epics and then the one or two random greens. You could smell the nub on them. Nowdays, BoP epics mean nothing. This latter generation of WoW players are so spoiled. Especially the ones that have been playing only since BC was released. The ones that weren't there for the server first kara boss kills. When Gruul and Mag were completely fucking HARD. The average player skill has dropped and continues to drop. This pve content simply does not force people to think on their feet and play well. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY NERFED THE BC PVE CONTENT? I hate Blizzard. They set their standards so low and make shit so god damn simple that even the dumbest of dumb can do it. This is a simple tactic to recruit and retain as many people as possible. This is a strategy used when the military gets desperate for people, they lower the standard. Blizzard isn't desperate, just greedy. lol, wow.
Look, the game evolves, shit happens. Nothing has or ever will be hard in this game. I've hit on this in another post, but it just isn't. For you to say anything pre-BC was hard is a joke, to say mag and gru used to be hard is a joke. Things have gone from easy to easier and that is it.
How complicated was nef? Clear your side with quick dps, have a cloak on, avoid class calls, face him away from the group. How hard was rag? DPS banadge yourself when possible, don't stand close together, spam the tank.
How was anything ever hard, you are making it like you are some kind of hard core old school player in this game. Difficulty in this game only arises in getting 24 other people to do their easy task.
What you are talking about, bop blues never meant anything. I remember gear runs in scholo, 10 people, fast clear. NOTHING WAS OR WILL EVER BE HARD IN WOW. EVER. QUIT PRETENDING YOU ARE LEET BECAUSE THIS IS AN EASY GAME. So what if blizzard makes it casual friendly, the only difficulty change from 10 mans to 25 mans will be how many healers are assigned to the tank and how many people have to move out of the fire. THAT IS IT.
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to ChrisG
said by ChrisG :Any idiot can gear up in today's WoW. You honestly have no idea what it is to be a late-game starter/reroll. When the rest of the server is soaked in T5/6, you're *lucky* if you get to run heroics, even in craftable epics. Hell, even Kara guilds are dwindling because most of them have either blown up, or have progressed into T5 and beyond (and aren't looking for "undergeared" players).
The avaliability of the badge vendor doesn't mean a thing when you aren't even given the chance to get badges with your fellow server-mates. PvE content may be nerfed into the ground, but starting up late in the game is a very tough challenge.
said by ChrisG :They need to make DIFFICULT 5 man and 10 man content, anyone remember the oldschool scholo and strat places? Where you could 5, 10 or (I think) 15 man. Anyone ever try 5 manning those back in the day? OMG. Eh, I never got to run those instances pre-Molten Core release, but honestly, those runs were never hard. The difficulty more stemmed from WoW being a new game and there being such a high percentage of players who simply did not know how to play. The more the game settled in and the more class tweaks that came down the line, the easier those runs became. |
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