Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
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Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations
said by pp03  :NOTHING WAS OR WILL EVER BE HARD IN WOW. EVER. QUIT PRETENDING YOU ARE LEET BECAUSE THIS IS AN EASY GAME. Staying out of the fire is srs business.
said by pp03 :So what if blizzard makes it casual friendly, the only difficulty change from 10 mans to 25 mans will be how many healers are assigned to the tank and how many people have to move out of the fire. Well, they could make the fire different colors.  |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to ChrisG
said by ChrisG :Nowdays, BoP epics mean nothing. This latter generation of WoW players are so spoiled. Especially the ones that have been playing only since BC was released. The ones that weren't there for the server first kara boss kills. When Gruul and Mag were completely fucking HARD. Back in my days, we used to clear to Gruul using a grey shovel!
Uphill. Both ways.
In the snow.
Yeeg, it's a flipping game. You know as well as I do, the only reason a lot of the previous content was "hard" was because classes/talents/skills/encounters were borked at the time. Sure, having little avaliability of gear affects the fights (can't really well overgear for server firsts, can you?), but when the bosses are buggy, or your TBC talents don't work, it's especially hard. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
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| reply to chaud
said by chaud :That is why armory is the best thing they have added to the game so far! except when one runs into idiots who think frost mages cant dps.
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
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said by Thaler :said by Jakiel00 :really depends on the grp gear. No it doesn't. All heroics can be done in blues. It was done then in blues, and can be done today. The issue is getting other people to join you for it. Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. |
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pp03
join:2002-06-13
Minneapolis, MN
1 edit | said by Jakiel00 :said by Thaler :said by Jakiel00 :really depends on the grp gear. No it doesn't. All heroics can be done in blues. It was done then in blues, and can be done today. The issue is getting other people to join you for it. Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. What was your class make up running it in blues?
That will be another thing gone in WoTLK.
Probably would have been easy as Warrior tank, priest healer, two mages, and any other dps (pref rogue).
Then, even in blues it will be very easy -- all cc possible, spell reflects, aoe damage, all cures needed, aoe heals, pre heals, hot's, etc.
Makeup is very important right now when you don't out gear something, that is why I love wotlk more and more.
edit, roge is not a class.
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ChrisG
join:2008-09-16
Montgomery, AL
| reply to drew
Hey look another person with keyboard courage to tell someone on a forum how they really feel.
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I dont appreciate personal attacks and I'm not here to be a forum troll.
As far as those old dungeons go, I'm talking about the 5 man scholos etc back in the day. (Yes, the raid versions of these dungeons were easier.) I'm referring to the simple challenge of doing it as a 5 man.
Back when each and every epic item cost a fortune or was simple unavailable to the vast majority. When you would oooo and ahhhh at one piece of somebody's tier1.
Sure I was a noob back then and of course it seemed hard.
Okay, so I'm saying Gruul and Mag used to be hard. So no guilds on most servers were able to down Gruul until they nerfed him the first time. And you're saying thats a joke, okay!
And AquaBlaze:
Oh, and I rerolled again about 3 months ago as a druid tank on a high pop pvp server. It didn't take long (maybe 4 weeks @ 70?) to gear up enough to tank BT without stepping foot in SSC TK or MHJ. So dont tell me how hard it is to gear a toon up nowdays on a server ridden with tier6. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| reply to drew
Its been too long since I have run a Heroic is all blues, along with the rest of the grp being in Blues. Prolly when we ran SV, it would have been with a Druid tank, Holy pally, and some assorted DPS. Pain in the ass though and takes a while.
My point before was depends on the grp makeup. If I am running a Heroic with guildies that I know are in T5/T6 guild for farming badges, I don't have a problem running with a 5th guy that is undergeared. If I am in a grp and lets say starting out the game for the first time (If it was my first 70), then it really would be a painstaking process since the whole grp was in blues. |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to Jakiel00
said by Jakiel00 :Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. I dunno what issues you had then. I ran Heroic SV just fine in a group makeup of blues/craftables and had no real issues.
Plus, I never said that running heroics in blues would be as easy as running them in T6, but they are defiantely doable. Anyone who says you *need* T5/6 to clear a heroic 5-man seriously doesn't know how to play the game. |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to ChrisG
said by ChrisG :Oh, and I rerolled again about 3 months ago as a druid tank on a high pop pvp server. It didn't take long (maybe 4 weeks @ 70?) to gear up enough to tank BT without stepping foot in SSC TK or MHJ. So dont tell me how hard it is to gear a toon up nowdays on a server ridden with tier6. So, you knew *nobody* on that server, and had nobody to reference yourself to ride coattails on the way up for gear once hitting 70? I highly doubt it.
Yes, rerolling 70 and gearing up is easy as all hell if you know people, and have already plotted your course for gear since day one. It also helps too if you're playing a class/role that can operate pretty heavily on the S1/2 honor drops of the time. 
Either that, or your server has some of the nicest people in the planet on it. On my server, you can't run PUG heros or Karas w/o a full set of T5 and above epics. Please tell me how you merge into that with *just* the avaliability of dungeon blues and a few craftable epics. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
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said by Thaler :said by Jakiel00 :Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. I dunno what issues you had then. I ran Heroic SV just fine in a group makeup of blues/craftables and had no real issues. Plus, I never said that running heroics in blues would be as easy as running them in T6, but they are defiantely doable. Anyone who says you *need* T5/6 to clear a heroic 5-man seriously doesn't know how to play the game. Did I say that you said that? Alls I am saying that when my guildies and I run, we don't mind taking an undergeared played for a heroic. Its all in good fun and we don't mind helping out. We aren't elitest like that. If I I was starting all over, a grp in blues would be alot more "challenging" and I am thankful we are past that part.
When we ran H SV, we didn't have craftables from what I remember. It was all Blue crap from some of the higher level quests. |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| said by Jakiel00 :When we ran H SV, we didn't have craftables from what I remember. It was all Blue crap from some of the higher level quests. Damn, that is a challenging mode then, lol. Usually what I mean by "blues" are the level 70 kind. If you ran Hero SV off TBC quest rewards...yeeg, that could be kinda messy.
But yeah, I'm not speaking personally to how you and your friends run groups, I'm more talking about the PUG market in general. Hell, on my server, my T5/Badge Vendor hunter was shunned away at times because I had full high quality PvE epics...AND ONE BLUE. Holy crap, we're all gonna die because the hunter has a blue trinket!!!
...yeah, I'm speaking more about the people running groups like that. |
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Shatter
join:2006-07-24
Waterford, MI
| reply to drew
Alot of this comes down to people have done these places so many times they want it to be fast and painless as possible. I pretty much refuse to go to ZA anymore, I did Kara every week for 4 weeks a few months ago only because of badges. My guild has cancelled ZA runs last 2 weeks cause no one wants to go other then usually 5 people on alts and I'd rather stab myself in the eye with a spoon then be a part of that group. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| reply to Thaler
Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat!
Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. |
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Thaler
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Encino, CA
| said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Yup. The kicker was that it was Heroic Mech. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX | Dang! That is the icing on the cake right there  I would put those guys on my ignore list |
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drew
Reformation
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join:2002-07-10
Port Orchard, WA
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I used to be able to ride around on coat-tails as I was in the biggest and best guild on the server pre-BC. Then BC happened, things splintered and never quite regained the prestige. Since then, it's been a miss-match of guilds.
Too bad I suck at PVP.
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chaud
Serious Business
join:2004-07-09
Anderson, SC
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said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P
I don't know what you are "looking forward to". A lot of the items that you will see up to 80 are already there for looking at.
As far as gearing up a new person, guilds will take you and gear you if you are not a moron and show up on time with everything every night. There is a shortage of non-morons / people that still want to raid. Gearing up is fairly easy. |
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klambert
Seti Rocks
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Remember also that some people putting PUGs together have no clue about classes other than their own. I actually volunteered to go on a Gruul's PUG with my mage a while back and the guy said I wasn't geared well enough, since I did not have over 1100 + spell damage (at that time).
Of course, at that time, I had killed Gruul with that toon a couple of times (God knows how many times I had axed him with my tank and shadow priest), had killed Mags multiple times and had killed Rage once [it was an alt I was working up and for some crazy reason I was trying to finish my T4 set with Gruuls).
He clearly had no clue about what was needed . . . |
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badtrip
East Bay
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join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA
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| reply to chaud
said by chaud :I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P And those of us in blues don't want to run anything with a player that has an attitude such as yours.
WoW's playerbase has really slipped quality-wise in the past year. It has become little more than a middle school lunch yard were folks are ostracized because they are wearing the epeen equivalent to Prowings. |
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chaud
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Anderson, SC
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| That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent.
If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks. |
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