Thaler
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Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations
said by chaud  :If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks.  Spoken like someone who hasn't a clue what they're talking about. These are the geared folks I love to see pulling a boner in Heroic PUGs (they rely upon their gear to pull them through, often enough with hilarious results), or they were the geared folks that my hunter would blow outta the water in DPS while in my gearing-up blues/purples.
Honestly, I've been playing this game long enough to know that gear =! good player. I'd rather have an undergeared player I *know* to be competant, rather than a random T5/6 yutz from the LFG queue.
...and no, having blues does not make you automatically "hyper-casual". Often enough, there are a few blue pieces that have no equal until much later in the gearing process. For example, the one blue my hunter had for the longest was the Hourglass of the Unraveler. It wasn't until I got the DST on a rare free-roll that I finally got to replace it.
People who compose their PUGs soley based upon the color pixels they see on the armory page deserve the quality of player/group they get. |
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Kevlar
Kevlar
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Ahh....this thread makes me so glad im not gonna be a part of the wotlk (I hope) as I (hope) to quit in Jan when my next rebill comes around.
This snobbish asshat attitude that people like chaud and many others exhibit is just annoying. Its a game. Gear = time spent trying to gear up. Period. If you are just now starting you get ostracized because you havent lived the game from day 1 or (gasp) are gearing up an alt.
Actually starting to look forward to ending my wow time now. Its odd. been playing since around 1.0 release and has usually been fun. Lately its the people that make me wanna move on. |
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badtrip
East Bay
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said by chaud :If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks. It takes a ton skill to be able to press a sequence of buttons over and over.
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···tajunkie
I press ~,~,~,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,... occasionally f or shift-f
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···n=Smruin
I press shift-f (sometimes) then 3,4,4,4,4,4,5,3,4,4,4,4,5,...
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···hudupnub
Only play BGs with this toon. I press 3 or 4 and occasionally y and shift-y
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···hudupnub
However, despite my obvious mastery of binding keys ans pressing them in order, according to some WoW players, I am only passible as a warlock because my hit rating is under 209 and my spell damage is 900 unbuffed. Further, my tanking skills and healing skills are horrendous as you can see by my respective toon's gear. |
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ErikVKing
Erik the Viking
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Davenport, IA | Too bad you play Ally, I'd /wave at ya with my alt on Area 52. |
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badtrip
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said by chaud :That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent. You fail at WoW elitism, BTW.Your gear is hardly impressive, your toon is about a half a notch above a toon who has yet to go into Kara. Your mage has nothing but welfare epics a few badge rewards (low-end badge rewards as a matter of fact) a ZA drop and crafted epics.
Plus, your hit rating is only 67, as a fire mage, you should have a 164 spell hit rating at level 70. Further, couple that with only 974 +spell damage and I highly doubt you are hitting the single target 1000 DPS threshold you should be at as a "hardcore raider" getting ready to hit 25-mans.
On the server I played on, Area 52, if you tried to get in on a Kara badge run PUG with your gear, the elitists there would laugh you out of group chat. |
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badtrip
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hehe, I have one ally, the priest. All my other toons are Horde and if someone was to ask Ally or Horde, I'd say Horde without a second's thought.
I never really play anymore but on the off chance you see Smruin, Nekruk or Datajunkie on A52 please do say hello. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
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said by chaud :said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P I don't know what you are "looking forward to". A lot of the items that you will see up to 80 are already there for looking at. The gear right after 70. That is what I meant. If you have a link to this gear post it in the forums. |
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drew
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| I'm sure there's plenty to browse on Wowhead and thottbot, however it has to be taken into perspective.
Think of the gear gap between vanilla and BC. HUGE, right? However look at the HP gap between mobs in EPL or Winterspring and the ones in HFP. HUGE!
They've said that it won't be as bad in lich king as it was in BC, however there's still going to be that gap, and it's gotta be taken into perspective with the mobs, encounters and new/tweaked talents, abilities and spells. |
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Mashiki
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said by Thaler :Staying out of the fire is srs business. GET IN THE FIRE! IN! You're going to wipe us! |
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chaud
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said by Thaler :Honestly, I've been playing this game long enough to know that gear =! good player. I'd rather have an undergeared player I *know* to be competant, rather than a random T5/6 yutz from the LFG queue. People who compose their PUGs soley based upon the color pixels they see on the armory page deserve the quality of player/group they get. My groups almost never wipe, and usually complete instances very fast. When I am invited to a raid, I stay out of the fire, or do whatever else needs to be done properly. I don't have amazing gear, but people still take me to things anyway.
Blues are blues. Not much more to say there. The random T6 person in LFG, or even better, on my friends list will be going with me over the random Brazilian in blues. I think it is fairly clear that I am not a nice person, and when I log on to do something, I do it as fast as possible, which does not include taking someone lesser geared. I built up enough friends / guilds that I know to never have to really pug anything with anyone under T5 ish level of gear. So yeah, groups from armory with purples worked out very well for me.
said by badtrip :It takes a ton skill to be able to press a sequence of buttons over and over. However, despite my obvious mastery of binding keys ans pressing them in order, according to some WoW players, I am only passible as a warlock because my hit rating is under 209 and my spell damage is 900 unbuffed. Further, my tanking skills and healing skills are horrendous as you can see by my respective toon's gear. It takes not being a moron and staying out of fire / doing your job to become geared, at least compared to the afkraiding of pre-BC. Wouldn't take your paladin or priest to anything I do in game.
said by badtrip :said by chaud :That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent. You fail at WoW elitism, BTW.Your gear is hardly impressive, your toon is about a half a notch above a toon who has yet to go into Kara. Your mage has nothing but welfare epics a few badge rewards (low-end badge rewards as a matter of fact) a ZA drop and crafted epics. Plus, your hit rating is only 67, as a fire mage, you should have a 164 spell hit rating at level 70. Further, couple that with only 974 +spell damage and I highly doubt you are hitting the single target 1000 DPS threshold you should be at as a "hardcore raider" getting ready to hit 25-mans. Maybe you missed the part where I don't raid at all. I go to random guilds ZA, SSC, or TK with a different gearset when asked, without expecting loot. I enjoy doing something fun once in a while, not having to show up for raids, and having a good time on vent. You must have missed the part where I said my gear is trash, and I play this game for PvP.
I know how to play my class. Also, I hear 974 = 1146.
For whoever asked about the gear,
»wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Naxxram···_10_Sets
»wotlk.wowhead.com/?items&filter=···=1;crv=0
»www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=15674.0
ect. |
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Garbs
Mudhole? Slimy? My home this is.
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Garden State | Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean?  |
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chaud
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join:2004-07-09
Anderson, SC | It is next to impossible to find English speaking players on my realm anymore. The awful Brazilians have invaded, and are terribad at this game for the most part. All my friends xfered or ebayed, which is why I haven't really played since Feb. |
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ChrisG
join:2008-09-16
Montgomery, AL | reply to drew
Why are people so angry and frustrated and so ready to jump down someone's throat about a GAME?
Sunlight does wonders, there are also these things called "Gymnasiums" Oh, and do vaginas gross you guys out? |
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DownLow
Nope...I Got Nothing
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said by Garbs :Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean? I think exactly that..the random "english isn't my language" player that always seems to pop up. |
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kc0bbq
join:2001-03-22
Cottage Grove, MN
| reply to Garbs
said by Garbs :Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean? Just racism. |
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chaud
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1 edit | reply to DownLow
Try almost every player being "English isn't my language".
»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···eNo=2#39
A friend put it best, and nicely there. |
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drew
Reformation
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said by ChrisG :Why are people so angry and frustrated and so ready to jump down someone's throat about a GAME? Sunlight does wonders, there are also these things called "Gymnasiums" Oh, and do vaginas gross you guys out? A+ on the trying to call out a mis-stereotype (as the typical MMOG demographic has been wildly changed with the advent of casual-friendly Wow) you're a part of.
In other news, I'm downloading the PTR installer now. Should be ready by the time I get home from work. |
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Garbs
Mudhole? Slimy? My home this is.
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said by kc0bbq :said by Garbs :Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean? Just racism. Yea, that was my take, too, when I read that. 
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kc0bbq
join:2001-03-22
Cottage Grove, MN
3 edits | said by GarbsYea, that was my take, too, when I read that.
Some of the most fun PuGs I've had have included Chinese gold farmers, and they were the old target of xenophobia. The problem was that since the runs were fun despite the language barrier, I ended up on friends lists being whispered in the gibberish that pinyin input equates to on the US client. Not that I would have understood anyway. :P
If it was just "English is not my language" people there are ways to phrase that that aren't blanket statements about entire groups. |
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Thaler
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| reply to chaud
said by chaud :Blues are blues. Not much more to say there. Again, spoken like someone without a clue. I've seen umpteen groups go purely by pixel color when picking up PUG elements, and especially when it comes to S1/2 gear vs. PvE blues. Strictly talking from a rogue (and hunter), there are blues out there that are better than the PvP purples that everyone goes ga-ga for. If you need an example, look no further than the trinket I described (Hourglass of the Unraveler), or the Fel Leather 3-piece blue set. While the iLevel is lower, the usefulness in PvE is much greater than several purples in that slot category since the stats are all allocated in *the* way you need them for PvE.
Guh. It just boggles my mind how people think a player w/ a level 70 blue in an item slot automatically is sub-par to someone who AFKed their way to honor gears. |
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