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Jakiel00
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Mckinney, TX | Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations really depends on the grp gear. If its me and my guildies and a guy with so-so gear, then I don't mind running through since we can carry the other player. We do this in Kara all the time and still full clear it in 3 hours. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by Jakiel00  :really depends on the grp gear. No it doesn't. All heroics can be done in blues. It was done then in blues, and can be done today. The issue is getting other people to join you for it. | |
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Jakiel00
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by Thaler :said by Jakiel00 :really depends on the grp gear. No it doesn't. All heroics can be done in blues. It was done then in blues, and can be done today. The issue is getting other people to join you for it. Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. | |
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1 edit | Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by Jakiel00 :said by Thaler :said by Jakiel00 :really depends on the grp gear. No it doesn't. All heroics can be done in blues. It was done then in blues, and can be done today. The issue is getting other people to join you for it. Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. What was your class make up running it in blues?
That will be another thing gone in WoTLK.
Probably would have been easy as Warrior tank, priest healer, two mages, and any other dps (pref rogue).
Then, even in blues it will be very easy -- all cc possible, spell reflects, aoe damage, all cures needed, aoe heals, pre heals, hot's, etc.
Makeup is very important right now when you don't out gear something, that is why I love wotlk more and more.
edit, roge is not a class.
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| said by Jakiel00 :Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. I dunno what issues you had then. I ran Heroic SV just fine in a group makeup of blues/craftables and had no real issues.
Plus, I never said that running heroics in blues would be as easy as running them in T6, but they are defiantely doable. Anyone who says you *need* T5/6 to clear a heroic 5-man seriously doesn't know how to play the game. | |
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Jakiel00
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by Thaler :said by Jakiel00 :Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. I dunno what issues you had then. I ran Heroic SV just fine in a group makeup of blues/craftables and had no real issues. Plus, I never said that running heroics in blues would be as easy as running them in T6, but they are defiantely doable. Anyone who says you *need* T5/6 to clear a heroic 5-man seriously doesn't know how to play the game. Did I say that you said that? Alls I am saying that when my guildies and I run, we don't mind taking an undergeared played for a heroic. Its all in good fun and we don't mind helping out. We aren't elitest like that. If I I was starting all over, a grp in blues would be alot more "challenging" and I am thankful we are past that part.
When we ran H SV, we didn't have craftables from what I remember. It was all Blue crap from some of the higher level quests. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by Jakiel00 :When we ran H SV, we didn't have craftables from what I remember. It was all Blue crap from some of the higher level quests. Damn, that is a challenging mode then, lol. Usually what I mean by "blues" are the level 70 kind. If you ran Hero SV off TBC quest rewards...yeeg, that could be kinda messy.
But yeah, I'm not speaking personally to how you and your friends run groups, I'm more talking about the PUG market in general. Hell, on my server, my T5/Badge Vendor hunter was shunned away at times because I had full high quality PvE epics...AND ONE BLUE. Holy crap, we're all gonna die because the hunter has a blue trinket!!!
...yeah, I'm speaking more about the people running groups like that. | |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat!
Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Yup. The kicker was that it was Heroic Mech. | |
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Jakiel00
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Mckinney, TX | Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations Dang! That is the icing on the cake right there  I would put those guys on my ignore list | |
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| said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P
I don't know what you are "looking forward to". A lot of the items that you will see up to 80 are already there for looking at.
As far as gearing up a new person, guilds will take you and gear you if you are not a moron and show up on time with everything every night. There is a shortage of non-morons / people that still want to raid. Gearing up is fairly easy. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by chaud :I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P And those of us in blues don't want to run anything with a player that has an attitude such as yours.
WoW's playerbase has really slipped quality-wise in the past year. It has become little more than a middle school lunch yard were folks are ostracized because they are wearing the epeen equivalent to Prowings. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by chaud :If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks. Spoken like someone who hasn't a clue what they're talking about. These are the geared folks I love to see pulling a boner in Heroic PUGs (they rely upon their gear to pull them through, often enough with hilarious results), or they were the geared folks that my hunter would blow outta the water in DPS while in my gearing-up blues/purples.
Honestly, I've been playing this game long enough to know that gear =! good player. I'd rather have an undergeared player I *know* to be competant, rather than a random T5/6 yutz from the LFG queue.
...and no, having blues does not make you automatically "hyper-casual". Often enough, there are a few blue pieces that have no equal until much later in the gearing process. For example, the one blue my hunter had for the longest was the Hourglass of the Unraveler. It wasn't until I got the DST on a rare free-roll that I finally got to replace it.
People who compose their PUGs soley based upon the color pixels they see on the armory page deserve the quality of player/group they get. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by Thaler :Honestly, I've been playing this game long enough to know that gear =! good player. I'd rather have an undergeared player I *know* to be competant, rather than a random T5/6 yutz from the LFG queue. People who compose their PUGs soley based upon the color pixels they see on the armory page deserve the quality of player/group they get. My groups almost never wipe, and usually complete instances very fast. When I am invited to a raid, I stay out of the fire, or do whatever else needs to be done properly. I don't have amazing gear, but people still take me to things anyway.
Blues are blues. Not much more to say there. The random T6 person in LFG, or even better, on my friends list will be going with me over the random Brazilian in blues. I think it is fairly clear that I am not a nice person, and when I log on to do something, I do it as fast as possible, which does not include taking someone lesser geared. I built up enough friends / guilds that I know to never have to really pug anything with anyone under T5 ish level of gear. So yeah, groups from armory with purples worked out very well for me.
said by badtrip :It takes a ton skill to be able to press a sequence of buttons over and over. However, despite my obvious mastery of binding keys ans pressing them in order, according to some WoW players, I am only passible as a warlock because my hit rating is under 209 and my spell damage is 900 unbuffed. Further, my tanking skills and healing skills are horrendous as you can see by my respective toon's gear. It takes not being a moron and staying out of fire / doing your job to become geared, at least compared to the afkraiding of pre-BC. Wouldn't take your paladin or priest to anything I do in game.
said by badtrip :said by chaud :That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent. You fail at WoW elitism, BTW.Your gear is hardly impressive, your toon is about a half a notch above a toon who has yet to go into Kara. Your mage has nothing but welfare epics a few badge rewards (low-end badge rewards as a matter of fact) a ZA drop and crafted epics. Plus, your hit rating is only 67, as a fire mage, you should have a 164 spell hit rating at level 70. Further, couple that with only 974 +spell damage and I highly doubt you are hitting the single target 1000 DPS threshold you should be at as a "hardcore raider" getting ready to hit 25-mans. Maybe you missed the part where I don't raid at all. I go to random guilds ZA, SSC, or TK with a different gearset when asked, without expecting loot. I enjoy doing something fun once in a while, not having to show up for raids, and having a good time on vent. You must have missed the part where I said my gear is trash, and I play this game for PvP.
I know how to play my class. Also, I hear 974 = 1146.
For whoever asked about the gear,
»wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Naxxram···_10_Sets
»wotlk.wowhead.com/?items&filter=···=1;crv=0
»www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=15674.0
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Garbs
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Garden State | Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean?  | |
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chaud
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Anderson, SC | Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations It is next to impossible to find English speaking players on my realm anymore. The awful Brazilians have invaded, and are terribad at this game for the most part. All my friends xfered or ebayed, which is why I haven't really played since Feb. | |
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| said by Garbs :Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean? I think exactly that..the random "english isn't my language" player that always seems to pop up. | |
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| said by Garbs :Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean? Just racism. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by kc0bbq :said by Garbs :Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean? Just racism. Yea, that was my take, too, when I read that. 
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3 edits | Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by GarbsYea, that was my take, too, when I read that.
Some of the most fun PuGs I've had have included Chinese gold farmers, and they were the old target of xenophobia. The problem was that since the runs were fun despite the language barrier, I ended up on friends lists being whispered in the gibberish that pinyin input equates to on the US client. Not that I would have understood anyway. :P
If it was just "English is not my language" people there are ways to phrase that that aren't blanket statements about entire groups. | |
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| said by chaud :Blues are blues. Not much more to say there. Again, spoken like someone without a clue. I've seen umpteen groups go purely by pixel color when picking up PUG elements, and especially when it comes to S1/2 gear vs. PvE blues. Strictly talking from a rogue (and hunter), there are blues out there that are better than the PvP purples that everyone goes ga-ga for. If you need an example, look no further than the trinket I described (Hourglass of the Unraveler), or the Fel Leather 3-piece blue set. While the iLevel is lower, the usefulness in PvE is much greater than several purples in that slot category since the stats are all allocated in *the* way you need them for PvE.
Guh. It just boggles my mind how people think a player w/ a level 70 blue in an item slot automatically is sub-par to someone who AFKed their way to honor gears. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations said by badtrip :You say you only play to PvP and your gear is trash yet you bash other folk's gear and refuse to take others with a single blue piece of gear (or my pally) anywhere you go? Eh, don't sweat it too much. People being carried through content isn't exactly a new concept in MMORPGs. Unfortunately, this motion is getting more and more prevalent as content matures.
Usually they're the one that forms groups (so nobody can kick the scrub, lol), or being carried as a friend by the group/raid leader. Heh, it's pretty funny when the guy in crap gear in a group/raid starts QQing about the new guy having *gasp* a blue.
Those groups, I didn't mind getting booted out of. They always looked like they were set up for epic failure anyways. | |
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| In some cases, PvP gear is better than blues, but yes, I can pick out if it is better or worse! An amazing skill right?
said by badtrip :said by chaud :Maybe you missed the part where I don't raid at all. I go to random guilds ZA, SSC, or TK with a different gearset when asked, without expecting loot. I enjoy doing something fun once in a while, not having to show up for raids, and having a good time on vent. You must have missed the part where I said my gear is trash, and I play this game for PvP. Then you are the epitome of a WoW elitest failure. You say you only play to PvP and your gear is trash yet you bash other folk's gear and refuse to take others with a single blue piece of gear (or my pally) anywhere you go? You are a troll and a clueless one at that. Please stay away from Warhammer. Warhammer is trash. My gear is bad because I stopped playing for the most part in S3.
People crying about me being racist need to actually play on the realm to appreciate how awful it really is. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Gurubashi is now a destroyed realm.
Everyone keeps crying oh so hard about how these groups are destined for failure, yet failure rarely or never occurs. Don't knock it until you have done it. | |
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| said by chaud :If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks. It takes a ton skill to be able to press a sequence of buttons over and over.
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···tajunkie
I press ~,~,~,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,... occasionally f or shift-f
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···n=Smruin
I press shift-f (sometimes) then 3,4,4,4,4,4,5,3,4,4,4,4,5,...
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···hudupnub
Only play BGs with this toon. I press 3 or 4 and occasionally y and shift-y
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···hudupnub
However, despite my obvious mastery of binding keys ans pressing them in order, according to some WoW players, I am only passible as a warlock because my hit rating is under 209 and my spell damage is 900 unbuffed. Further, my tanking skills and healing skills are horrendous as you can see by my respective toon's gear. | |
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ErikVKing
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Davenport, IA | Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations Too bad you play Ally, I'd /wave at ya with my alt on Area 52. | |
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badtrip
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations hehe, I have one ally, the priest. All my other toons are Horde and if someone was to ask Ally or Horde, I'd say Horde without a second's thought.
I never really play anymore but on the off chance you see Smruin, Nekruk or Datajunkie on A52 please do say hello. | |
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badtrip
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| said by chaud :That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent. You fail at WoW elitism, BTW.Your gear is hardly impressive, your toon is about a half a notch above a toon who has yet to go into Kara. Your mage has nothing but welfare epics a few badge rewards (low-end badge rewards as a matter of fact) a ZA drop and crafted epics.
Plus, your hit rating is only 67, as a fire mage, you should have a 164 spell hit rating at level 70. Further, couple that with only 974 +spell damage and I highly doubt you are hitting the single target 1000 DPS threshold you should be at as a "hardcore raider" getting ready to hit 25-mans.
On the server I played on, Area 52, if you tried to get in on a Kara badge run PUG with your gear, the elitists there would laugh you out of group chat. | |
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Jakiel00
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| said by chaud :said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P I don't know what you are "looking forward to". A lot of the items that you will see up to 80 are already there for looking at. The gear right after 70. That is what I meant. If you have a link to this gear post it in the forums. | |
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| Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations I'm sure there's plenty to browse on Wowhead and thottbot, however it has to be taken into perspective.
Think of the gear gap between vanilla and BC. HUGE, right? However look at the HP gap between mobs in EPL or Winterspring and the ones in HFP. HUGE!
They've said that it won't be as bad in lich king as it was in BC, however there's still going to be that gap, and it's gotta be taken into perspective with the mobs, encounters and new/tweaked talents, abilities and spells. | |
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