Thaler
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Re: [Rant] Ridiculous Overgear Expectations
said by Jakiel00  :Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. I dunno what issues you had then. I ran Heroic SV just fine in a group makeup of blues/craftables and had no real issues.
Plus, I never said that running heroics in blues would be as easy as running them in T6, but they are defiantely doable. Anyone who says you *need* T5/6 to clear a heroic 5-man seriously doesn't know how to play the game. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| said by Thaler :said by Jakiel00 :Yes it does. Try running Heroic SV in all Blues. Its fun. And when I mean fun I mean taking a power drill to my eye socket fun. I dunno what issues you had then. I ran Heroic SV just fine in a group makeup of blues/craftables and had no real issues. Plus, I never said that running heroics in blues would be as easy as running them in T6, but they are defiantely doable. Anyone who says you *need* T5/6 to clear a heroic 5-man seriously doesn't know how to play the game. Did I say that you said that? Alls I am saying that when my guildies and I run, we don't mind taking an undergeared played for a heroic. Its all in good fun and we don't mind helping out. We aren't elitest like that. If I I was starting all over, a grp in blues would be alot more "challenging" and I am thankful we are past that part.
When we ran H SV, we didn't have craftables from what I remember. It was all Blue crap from some of the higher level quests. |
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Thaler
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| said by Jakiel00 :When we ran H SV, we didn't have craftables from what I remember. It was all Blue crap from some of the higher level quests. Damn, that is a challenging mode then, lol. Usually what I mean by "blues" are the level 70 kind. If you ran Hero SV off TBC quest rewards...yeeg, that could be kinda messy.
But yeah, I'm not speaking personally to how you and your friends run groups, I'm more talking about the PUG market in general. Hell, on my server, my T5/Badge Vendor hunter was shunned away at times because I had full high quality PvE epics...AND ONE BLUE. Holy crap, we're all gonna die because the hunter has a blue trinket!!!
...yeah, I'm speaking more about the people running groups like that. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat!
Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. |
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Thaler
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| said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Yup. The kicker was that it was Heroic Mech. |
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Jakiel00
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Mckinney, TX | Dang! That is the icing on the cake right there  I would put those guys on my ignore list |
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chaud
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said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P
I don't know what you are "looking forward to". A lot of the items that you will see up to 80 are already there for looking at.
As far as gearing up a new person, guilds will take you and gear you if you are not a moron and show up on time with everything every night. There is a shortage of non-morons / people that still want to raid. Gearing up is fairly easy. |
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badtrip
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| said by chaud :I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P And those of us in blues don't want to run anything with a player that has an attitude such as yours.
WoW's playerbase has really slipped quality-wise in the past year. It has become little more than a middle school lunch yard were folks are ostracized because they are wearing the epeen equivalent to Prowings. |
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chaud
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| That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent.
If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks. |
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Thaler
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| said by chaud :If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks. Spoken like someone who hasn't a clue what they're talking about. These are the geared folks I love to see pulling a boner in Heroic PUGs (they rely upon their gear to pull them through, often enough with hilarious results), or they were the geared folks that my hunter would blow outta the water in DPS while in my gearing-up blues/purples.
Honestly, I've been playing this game long enough to know that gear =! good player. I'd rather have an undergeared player I *know* to be competant, rather than a random T5/6 yutz from the LFG queue.
...and no, having blues does not make you automatically "hyper-casual". Often enough, there are a few blue pieces that have no equal until much later in the gearing process. For example, the one blue my hunter had for the longest was the Hourglass of the Unraveler. It wasn't until I got the DST on a rare free-roll that I finally got to replace it.
People who compose their PUGs soley based upon the color pixels they see on the armory page deserve the quality of player/group they get. |
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badtrip
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said by chaud :If you are a "hyper-casual", I don't want to even run something with you. It is far more likely that you are an incompetent player when you are poorly geared, and even on the rare chance that you have an idea of what you are doing, your dps is slightly above the druid tanks. It takes a ton skill to be able to press a sequence of buttons over and over.
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···tajunkie
I press ~,~,~,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,... occasionally f or shift-f
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···n=Smruin
I press shift-f (sometimes) then 3,4,4,4,4,4,5,3,4,4,4,4,5,...
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···hudupnub
Only play BGs with this toon. I press 3 or 4 and occasionally y and shift-y
»www.wowarmory.com/character-shee···hudupnub
However, despite my obvious mastery of binding keys ans pressing them in order, according to some WoW players, I am only passible as a warlock because my hit rating is under 209 and my spell damage is 900 unbuffed. Further, my tanking skills and healing skills are horrendous as you can see by my respective toon's gear. |
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ErikVKing
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Davenport, IA | Too bad you play Ally, I'd /wave at ya with my alt on Area 52. |
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badtrip
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said by chaud :That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent. You fail at WoW elitism, BTW.Your gear is hardly impressive, your toon is about a half a notch above a toon who has yet to go into Kara. Your mage has nothing but welfare epics a few badge rewards (low-end badge rewards as a matter of fact) a ZA drop and crafted epics.
Plus, your hit rating is only 67, as a fire mage, you should have a 164 spell hit rating at level 70. Further, couple that with only 974 +spell damage and I highly doubt you are hitting the single target 1000 DPS threshold you should be at as a "hardcore raider" getting ready to hit 25-mans.
On the server I played on, Area 52, if you tried to get in on a Kara badge run PUG with your gear, the elitists there would laugh you out of group chat. |
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badtrip
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hehe, I have one ally, the priest. All my other toons are Horde and if someone was to ask Ally or Horde, I'd say Horde without a second's thought.
I never really play anymore but on the off chance you see Smruin, Nekruk or Datajunkie on A52 please do say hello. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
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said by chaud :said by Jakiel00 :Ah ok Gotcha. You were shunned away because of one blue!?!?!?! That is insane! I would seriously take a good hunter with PVE epics for the CC ability in a heartbeat! Still looking forward to seeing the gear in the early WOTLK content and how it will correlate with the Epics we have now. I wouldn't run anything with a person that still has a blue. :P I don't know what you are "looking forward to". A lot of the items that you will see up to 80 are already there for looking at. The gear right after 70. That is what I meant. If you have a link to this gear post it in the forums. |
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drew
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| I'm sure there's plenty to browse on Wowhead and thottbot, however it has to be taken into perspective.
Think of the gear gap between vanilla and BC. HUGE, right? However look at the HP gap between mobs in EPL or Winterspring and the ones in HFP. HUGE!
They've said that it won't be as bad in lich king as it was in BC, however there's still going to be that gap, and it's gotta be taken into perspective with the mobs, encounters and new/tweaked talents, abilities and spells. |
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chaud
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said by Thaler :Honestly, I've been playing this game long enough to know that gear =! good player. I'd rather have an undergeared player I *know* to be competant, rather than a random T5/6 yutz from the LFG queue. People who compose their PUGs soley based upon the color pixels they see on the armory page deserve the quality of player/group they get. My groups almost never wipe, and usually complete instances very fast. When I am invited to a raid, I stay out of the fire, or do whatever else needs to be done properly. I don't have amazing gear, but people still take me to things anyway.
Blues are blues. Not much more to say there. The random T6 person in LFG, or even better, on my friends list will be going with me over the random Brazilian in blues. I think it is fairly clear that I am not a nice person, and when I log on to do something, I do it as fast as possible, which does not include taking someone lesser geared. I built up enough friends / guilds that I know to never have to really pug anything with anyone under T5 ish level of gear. So yeah, groups from armory with purples worked out very well for me.
said by badtrip :It takes a ton skill to be able to press a sequence of buttons over and over. However, despite my obvious mastery of binding keys ans pressing them in order, according to some WoW players, I am only passible as a warlock because my hit rating is under 209 and my spell damage is 900 unbuffed. Further, my tanking skills and healing skills are horrendous as you can see by my respective toon's gear. It takes not being a moron and staying out of fire / doing your job to become geared, at least compared to the afkraiding of pre-BC. Wouldn't take your paladin or priest to anything I do in game.
said by badtrip :said by chaud :That is why those players in blues are still in blues and continue to dislike me, while the rest of the realm invites me to runs / raids because I am competent. You fail at WoW elitism, BTW.Your gear is hardly impressive, your toon is about a half a notch above a toon who has yet to go into Kara. Your mage has nothing but welfare epics a few badge rewards (low-end badge rewards as a matter of fact) a ZA drop and crafted epics. Plus, your hit rating is only 67, as a fire mage, you should have a 164 spell hit rating at level 70. Further, couple that with only 974 +spell damage and I highly doubt you are hitting the single target 1000 DPS threshold you should be at as a "hardcore raider" getting ready to hit 25-mans. Maybe you missed the part where I don't raid at all. I go to random guilds ZA, SSC, or TK with a different gearset when asked, without expecting loot. I enjoy doing something fun once in a while, not having to show up for raids, and having a good time on vent. You must have missed the part where I said my gear is trash, and I play this game for PvP.
I know how to play my class. Also, I hear 974 = 1146.
For whoever asked about the gear,
»wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Naxxram···_10_Sets
»wotlk.wowhead.com/?items&filter=···=1;crv=0
»www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=15674.0
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Garbs
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Garden State | Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean?  |
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chaud
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Anderson, SC | It is next to impossible to find English speaking players on my realm anymore. The awful Brazilians have invaded, and are terribad at this game for the most part. All my friends xfered or ebayed, which is why I haven't really played since Feb. |
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DownLow
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said by Garbs :Ok, I'll bite .. what is a "random Brazilian in blues" supposed to mean? I think exactly that..the random "english isn't my language" player that always seems to pop up. |
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