 HiVoltPremium join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON kudos:11 Reviews:
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| [WCG] 8 Core Xeon not crunching at full capacity Usage when first started | |  Usage after 5 seconds running | |  How long it takes per WU |  CPU Benchmark |  Machine Specs |
I've got a new 8 Core 2.8 Xeon Mac Pro here at work for a week or so now. Of course I loaded BOINC on it, and I expected it to crunch like a horse... However, something's not right...
Whenever I start Boinc, the CPU usage spikes to full on all 8 cores, but 5 seconds later it drops and settles to 84-85%. I've deleted, reinstalled BOINC, and it continues to do this. The work units take a very long time per core. There is no other process eating up any CPU time. I have another Mac Pro except it'a 4-core, and it purrs along fine at full cpu load.
Attached are some screenshots.
Any help would be appreciated. -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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 lilhurricaneCrunchin' For CuresPremium,Mod join:2003-01-11 Purple Zone kudos:51 Reviews:
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1 edit | I'd like to say maybe the project assumes you have a strong beast of a computer & so is sending you the hardest work units to find cures...but I'm sure that's not it 
I'm not familiar w/ Macs so I can't help..maybe we have a member that uses one that can assist?
Congrats on your new machine, Martin  I'm sure there's a reason & you'll find it.
... can always ask at WCG forums as well (in Boinc Support), if no one here figures it out
»www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forum···forum=83
Edit: maybe ajeb can help? |
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 Ray422Premium,MVM join:2002-03-04 Lost kudos:11 Reviews:
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2 edits | reply to HiVolt Sounds like some kinda throttling, yes?
Just some food for thought...
Does the cpu speed reduce simultaneously with the cpu percentage? Any change in temperature? Any change in multiplier? --Disable intel speedstep?
I know nothing about a mac, does it have an internal bios throttle like... Biostar has....cool & quiet Gigabyte has....C1e (enhanced halt) Asus has....Same, I think (I would have to look)
I think TD member Ajeb has that same machine, perhaps he can help?
EDIT: Another thought. Could that machine have defaulted to a boinc setting that allows a lesser cpu percentage. I have had that happen to me before. You might check the maximum CPU percentage usage setting in wcg/boinc? -- Things I like - Team Discovery - Quads©3.4ghz - Strawberry Ice cream
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 HiVoltPremium join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON kudos:11 Reviews:
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| The Mac has no configurable options like PC boards do... I have done a video encoding test and all 8 cores are fully utilized, so it's not something related to the machine.
I have checked BOINC throttling in the options, and it's set to use 100% cpu and all the processor cores. -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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 HiVoltPremium join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON kudos:11 | I've PM'd ajeb , hopefully he has a couple of minutes to take a look.
Thanks! -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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 DersgniwDisco CrunchinPremium,MVM join:2001-08-10 behind you kudos:4 | reply to HiVolt said by HiVolt:I have checked BOINC throttling in the options, and it's set to use 100% cpu and all the processor cores. Checked it on the client options (not the website), right? -- I Smell Cures! -- Our Hope |
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| said by Dersgniw:said by HiVolt:I have checked BOINC throttling in the options, and it's set to use 100% cpu and all the processor cores. Checked it on the client options (not the website), right? Yep! I'm somehow thinking the BOINC version for Mac is not that 8-core friendly... on the 4-core Mac running the exact same OS it works perfectly. -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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 glennaxlPremium join:2007-02-16 Zion kudos:1 | reply to HiVolt Have you checked this? System Prefs ->Energy Saver ->Options ->Processor Performance
It should be set to "Highest". |
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| said by glennaxl:Have you checked this? System Prefs ->Energy Saver ->Options ->Processor Performance It should be set to "Highest". Pretty sure I did, but I don't think there is such an option on a Mac Pro, only on the laptops or imacs/minis.
I'll double check tomorrow though. -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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 ajebPremium join:2002-04-18 Norristown, PA | reply to HiVolt Hey, I've had my MAC PRO for about a month.
I'm running near 100% on all eight cores.
Check your energy saving panel. WCG runs at a very low priority. Just running BOINC in not enough to keep the computer from going to sleep, so make sure the computer is in "never" going to sleep and uncheck "Put hard drives to sleep.."
The hard drive thing was slowing me down when I started up.
I'm also running a different version of BOINC than you. I'm still on 5.10.45, I always wait a bit to upgrade to make sure the bugs are worked out.
Hope that helps. FYI..Getting about a 4300 RAC on the machine and that spec is still climbing. |
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 lilhurricaneCrunchin' For CuresPremium,Mod join:2003-01-11 Purple Zone kudos:51 Reviews:
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2 edits | reply to HiVolt Great suggestions everyone!
And thanks glennaxl & ajeb 
..your "things to check" on Macs are now added to our FAQ
»Team Discovery WCG BOINC FAQ »[Macs] How to Make Sure You're Running at Peak Efficiency
Edit: Let me know if there's anything else |
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1 edit | reply to ajeb
Thanks... I already had the sleep settings disabled, and it doesn't seem to make a difference if they are on or off here.
Anyway, I just ran Activity Monitor and it seems that at the exact time the CPU load drops to from 100 to 85, the System percentage goes up. I dont know what that means though.
Attached is the graph. Green is User %, Red is System %. -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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 DogfatherPremium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA 4 edits | I'm assuming you've shown yourself "all processes" and not just "my processes" to see if something else is taking up the other 15%.
Also what happens if you open a 9th crunching instance (if you can do such a thing)?
There is also uncertainty principle in monitoring this usage but it shouldn't be anywhere near 15%. In my quad activity monitor for example takes 1.5% typically. |
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 ajebPremium join:2002-04-18 Norristown, PA | Skeedatl is right...that 15% is going somewhere into the system. You should be able to find in all processes. There was a huge system update just released..is it downloading in background? Though I can't see that taking up that much cpu. |
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| This happened before the 10.5.5 also. I have looked under All Processes, and I don't see it. Here's a screenshot. -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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| And here's output from "top" in terminal.
Processes: 73 total, 10 running, 2 stuck, 61 sleeping... 303 threads 14:50:10
Load Avg: 7.25, 7.23, 7.46 CPU usage: 22.09% user, 65.45% sys, 12.46% idle
SharedLibs: num = 8, resident = 84M code, 248K data, 5192K linkedit.
MemRegions: num = 8399, resident = 483M + 18M private, 158M shared.
PhysMem: 519M wired, 847M active, 63M inactive, 1451M used, 4693M free.
VM: 8203M + 371M 64983(0) pageins, 0(0) pageouts
PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT RSHRD RSIZE VSIZE
2682 top 5.5% 0:06.96 1 18 29 1964K 188K 2560K 18M
2673 bash 0.0% 0:00.01 1 14 19 268K 184K 916K 18M
2672 login 0.0% 0:00.02 1 17 55 284K 228K 1056K 19M
2671 Terminal 1.2% 0:03.65 3 100 175 3148K 17M 13M 367M
2648 Preview 0.0% 0:00.84 13 141 259 8364K 21M 14M 390M
2597 cupsd 0.0% 0:00.03 2 30 30 484K 228K 1400K 19M
2571 mdworker 0.0% 0:00.44 4 72 52 1092K 8468K 4084K 34M
2570 mdworker 0.0% 0:00.16 3 51 32 700K 9724K 2580K 33M
2097 LKDCHelper 0.0% 0:00.01 1 18 23 204K 184K 860K 19M
1330 wcg_hcc1_i 84.8% 2:31:52 2 15 92 37M+ 2076K 37M+ 57M
1329 wcg_hcc1_i 84.6% 2:31:42 2 15 100 38M+ 2076K 39M+ 59M+
1328 wcg_hcc1_i 85.0% 2:31:46 2 15 112 41M- 2076K 42M+ 62M+
1327 wcg_hcc1_i 84.6% 2:31:46 2 15 128 45M+ 2076K 46M+ 66M+
1326 wcg_hcc1_i 84.5% 2:31:37 2 15 128 45M 2076K 46M+ 66M
1325 wcg_hcc1_i 85.0% 2:31:41 2 15 128 45M- 2076K 46M+ 66M
1324 wcg_hcc1_i 84.8% 2:31:50 2 15 128 45M- 2076K 46M- 66M-
1323 wcg_hcc1_i 84.9% 2:31:51 2 15 128 45M- 2076K 46M+ 66M+
1319 boinc 0.1% 0:16.97 1 19 42 3924K 252K 6348K 21M
1317 BOINCManag 0.5% 1:05.53 1 77 170 7432K 23M 17M 373M
153 AppleSpell 0.0% 0:00.06 1 29 31 592K 8600K 2948K 34M
149 BBNotifica 0.0% 0:00.40 9 92 149 2452K 14M 6216K 328M
143 TeamViewer 0.1% 0:19.02 5 88 151 3928K 11M 11M 355M
141 Mail 0.1% 5:44.25 30 291 609 23M 43M 54M 454M
138 usbmuxd 0.0% 0:00.00 2 21 26 204K 184K 700K 19M
137 Stickies 0.0% 0:01.34 1 77 163 2684K 16M 7372K 351M
136 iTunesHelp 0.0% 0:00.04 2 53 47 540K 3156K 2360K 281M
133 Google Upd 0.0% 0:00.07 1 56 38 500K 7260K 2444K 290M
128 pboard 0.0% 0:00.00 1 15 23 152K 184K 588K 19M
126 Finder 0.0% 0:07.75 6 183 255 5504K 31M 16M 386M
125 SystemUISe 0.3% 0:38.68 13 282 387 6100K 20M 12M 366M
124 ATSServer 0.0% 0:05.66 2 98 952 1420K 7664K 7584K 130M
123 Dock 0.0% 0:06.38 3 131 353 3684K 45M 15M 398M
122 coreaudiod 0.0% 0:00.32 2 140 51 1124K 1268K 2152K 20M
119 UserEventA 0.0% 0:00.18 2 153 84 708K 2896K 2172K 21M
118 Spotlight 0.0% 0:00.27 8 85 96 3092K 9896K 6080K 296M
116 AppleVNCSe 0.0% 0:00.17 2 60 40 2120K 5244K 3960K 282M
113 AirPort Ba 0.0% 0:00.19 1 58 114 2144K 10M 4512K 323M
112 GoogleSoft 0.0% 0:00.20 1 58 52 2192K 9812K 4760K 291M
108 launchd 0.0% 0:02.42 3 182 25 212K 296K 548K 18M
105 VNCPrivile 0.0% 0:00.00 1 16 24 148K 188K 624K 19M
92 pvsnatd 0.0% 0:01.69 3 26 28 200K 184K 528K 21M
79 llipd 0.0% 0:05.15 1 8 17 84K 184K 220K 18M
71 racoon 0.0% 0:00.06 1 14 27 228K 224K 1036K 18M
66 blued 0.0% 0:00.12 1 49 34 540K 5216K 1964K 28M
64 ioupsd 0.0% 0:00.88 1 30 23 404K 184K 1056K 18M
63 WindowServ 0.9% 3:16.49 11 250 897 5228K 42M 53M 406M
58 coreservic 0.0% 0:01.94 2 165 129 1760K 19M 18M 41M
51 krb5kdc 0.0% 0:00.02 1 17 43 476K 188K 1424K 18M
46 socketfilt 0.0% 0:00.47 3 35 25 608K 224K 1572K 18M
45 autofsd 0.0% 0:00.00 1 21 18 148K 184K 672K 18M
41 diskarbitr 0.0% 0:00.47 1 129 18 376K 184K 1000K 18M
39 dynamic_pa 0.0% 0:00.02 1 17 20 176K 184K 712K 18M
37 fseventsd 0.0% 0:01.26 10 77 51 1012K 184K 1540K 23M
36 hidd 0.0% 0:00.00 2 28 20 124K 192K 604K 18M
34 kdcmond 0.0% 0:01.31 2 24 19 264K 184K 1024K 18M
33 KernelEven 0.0% 0:00.00 2 20 19 160K 184K 652K 18M
32 loginwindo 0.0% 0:00.48 3 200 125 1660K 16M 5648K 299M
31 mds 0.0% 0:13.37 17 268 252 14M 8600K 16M 75M
30 RFBRegiste 0.0% 0:00.01 1 16 22 208K 184K 1060K 19M
26 SystemStar 0.0% 0:00.00 1 20 18 152K 184K 668K 18M
25 update 0.0% 0:07.21 1 13 17 76K 184K 284K 17M
24 ntpd 0.0% 0:01.25 1 15 19 196K 184K 836K 18M
21 securityd 0.0% 0:00.30 3 103 37 748K 224K 2040K 20M
18 launchd 0.0% 0:02.00 3 25 24 132K 296K 464K 18M
16 mDNSRespon 0.0% 0:01.24 2 41 30 1396K 224K 2368K 20M
15 distnoted 0.0% 0:01.93 1 52 18 296K 184K 776K 18M
14 configd 0.0% 0:09.79 3 169 71 640K 256K 1868K 19M
13 syslogd 0.0% 0:01.81 4 37 28 224K 188K 516K 19M
12 notifyd 0.0% 0:00.33 2 150 20 224K 188K 480K 18M
11 DirectoryS 0.0% 0:02.32 5 65 36 1724K 188K 3400K 21M
10 kextd 0.0% 0:00.46 2 32 19 644K 184K 1252K 18M
1 launchd 0.0% 0:02.35 3 103 25 236K 296K 568K 19M
0 kernel_tas 0.8% 6:47.01 65 2 750 18M 0 124M 358M
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| Next time run "top -o cpu" to sort highest CPU processes first.
Might want to check the 'nice' level of BOINC client and renice if possible. I've never understood the Mac OS X process scheduler, and there is a website with some good info (believe it is Amit Singh of Google). |
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| said by bbarrera:Might want to check the 'nice' level of BOINC client and renice if possible. I've never understood the Mac OS X process scheduler, and there is a website with some good info (believe it is Amit Singh of Google). Can you explain how do I go about doing that? -- ,,!,,('-'),,!,, |
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 DogfatherPremium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA 4 edits | »www.macosxhints.com/article.php?···85034927
I've also see a few utilities in my Google search like BeNicer »www.versiontracker.com/dyn/morei···sx/16534 that claim to make the process a bit quicker.
EDIT - Just toyed with BeNicer and it may not like Leo...I get some errors and VT showed it only supported Tiger and earlier. |
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 ajebPremium join:2002-04-18 Norristown, PA | This can't be this hard...lol.
I'm running 99.3% to 100% on all eight cores. My process list looks the same as yours. The only thing seems to be that I'm using an older version of BOINC. |
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