More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
 ·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to Psyclone
Re: FIOS TV Central website access with Non AT Router?
said by Psyclone  :I tried your last suggestion(2 DHCP servers with Actiontec serving only STB) last night and it didn't work. Do you know how I would obtain the Vendor Class ID info? DD-WRT does have a place to enter this information. I'd like to try it and see if it helps. I regret having mentioned the possibility of configuring two DHCP servers. That is not what I asked you to try.
While I understand you are anxious to get this working, the steps I asked you to try were intended to try one specific thing in a controlled manner. Since I don't know the details of how you configured the two DHCP servers, or what devices pulled what IP addresses, your post was not helpful. |
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mwangen
join:2006-10-26
Beaverton, OR
| MoreFiber,
So I've tried your suggestion and turned off the DHCP server on my IPCop and turned on the ActionTec DHCP server. I unplugged my DVR and plugged it back in and it got an ip address from the ActionTec. However, the DVR now uses the ActionTec ip (192.168.1.25) as it's gateway. How do I configure the ActionTec DHCP server to hand out the true
gateway (192.168.1.1)? In this configuration nothing that needs internet works. No guide, no VOD etc. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
1 edit | said by mwangen :However, the DVR now uses the Actiontec ip (192.168.1.25) as it's gateway. How do I configure the Actiontec DHCP server to hand out the true gateway (192.168.1.1)? Thanks for trying it as suggested. You need to set the correct gateway address in the DHCP server settings in the Actiontec.
Go MY NETWORK->NETWORK CONNECTIONS->NETWORK (H/O); about 8 lines down
•Internet Protocol = Use The Following IP Address
•IP Address = 192.168.1.1
•APPLY |
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mwangen
join:2006-10-26
Beaverton, OR
| said by More Fiber :Go MY NETWORK->NETWORK CONNECTIONS->NETWORK (H/O); about 8 lines down •Internet Protocol = Use The Following IP Address •IP Address = 192.168.1.1 •APPLY But I can't use both routers on the same IP can I? My IPCop machine already runs on 192.168.1.1. Are you suggesting to run the ActionTec and the IPCop on the same ip? |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| My first reaction was oh s**t since that changes both the gateway address sent to the DHCP clients and the LAN IP address of the Actiontec. Sometimes I absolutely hate the Actiontec GUI.
I'm certain there is a way to do this, but I'm going to have to think about it when I'm fresh in the morning. |
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Psyclone
join:2002-09-29
Beaverton, OR
1 edit | reply to More Fiber
said by More Fiber :said by Psyclone :I tried your last suggestion(2 DHCP servers with Actiontec serving only STB) last night and it didn't work. Do you know how I would obtain the Vendor Class ID info? DD-WRT does have a place to enter this information. I'd like to try it and see if it helps. I regret having mentioned the possibility of configuring two DHCP servers. That is not what I asked you to try. While I understand you are anxious to get this working, the steps I asked you to try were intended to try one specific thing in a controlled manner. Since I don't know the details of how you configured the two DHCP servers, or what devices pulled what IP addresses, your post was not helpful. Sorry I guess I should have clarified. My config:
Buffalo:
Router IP : 192.168.1.25
DHCP Server : Enabled - IP Range 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.24
ActionTec :
Router IP : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server : Enabled - IP Range 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.101
And I lied about everything working ok. In this configuration the ActionTec will lease an IP to the MR-DVR but not to the SD STB. Not sure why. VOD/Guide work on the MR-DVR but the SD STB obviously has zero connectivity.
When I swap the Router IP's then everything works again. |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| reply to joe01880
said by joe01880 :Using other routers buffalo's or whatever the hell they are when the router supplied from Verizon does a fine job. The ActionTec, while a decent router, has a very small NAT table, a crappy interface, and is buggy. Try setting a static DHCP lease with the current version. You have a 50/50 chance of getting it to work, and then that only happens 10% of the time.
I have a very similar setup to Psyclone except I use an original WRT54GS router with DD-WRT loaded. It's interface is SO much better and It Just Works™. I also use VoIP so reliability is a key factor for me. |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| reply to darcilicious
said by darcilicious :said by mwangen :Psyclone a little off topic here, but I find it interesting that you are running PPoE. I'm in Beaverton and I'm getting my IP from Verizon via DHCP. Verizon has never deployed PPoE for exGTE areas (that I'm aware of), and definitely never in Oregon -- not for DSL and not for FiOS. Don't tell that to my setup. I was one of the first adopters in my area and all subscribers at that time were PPPoE. New installs are DHCP, but older ones around here were never migrated. And I'm most definitely a ex-GTE area. |
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Teasip
join:2001-05-14
Plano, TX | reply to cdru
And to think that I'm still PPPoE in ex-GTE area. |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
 ·Verizon FIOS
| All right, all right! I give up! 
This was pretty much the conventional wisdom from the DSL days when I was an MVM from the Vz DSL forum but never mind! Obviously it was wrong and so am I  |
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JohnA
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA
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I want to say @ July 06, though I'm not positive, is when FIOS went to DHCP. All connections prior to that were PPPoE, which was switched to open PPPoE, without regard to area. Verizon has never been willing to switch those to DHCP, even though they continually promised they would. We are easily exposed when we run tracerts, as that 10.x.x.x hop shows up when we hit the edge router.
Tracing route to www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 10.7.30.1
3 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms P2-3.LCR-02.PITBPA.verizon-gni.net [130.81.32.194]
There was even a time on DSL when they intended to switch Ex-GTE to PPPoE. May have occurred during your new employment absence. Only lasted under 2 months, for new Ex-GTE sing ups in about 5 states before it was abandoned, so they are few, and very far between. Just saw one of those over there a couple weeks ago.
It's still Verizon, YMMV, and all rules have exceptions. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to Psyclone
An now back to our regularly scheduled programming (discussion):
Normally, you can't just bring up two DHCP servers on the same subnet and expect predictable results, unless you've configured them very carefully. Both will offer a DHCP lease to any client that broadcasts a DHCP-DISCOVER packet, and which DHCP lease is accepted by the client is determined by the client. Which is precisely the reason I wanted you to try this with only one DHCP server (the Actiontec).
As I was reminded from mwangen 's post, the Actiontec's DHCP server assumes that the Actiontec is always the gateway and uses it's own LAN address in the gateway address information returned to the client. There was a post about this in another thread. I believe there is a way around and am testing my idea now. I'll post back as soon as I can find a way for the Actiontec DHCP server to return a gateway address other than it's own. |
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mwangen
join:2006-10-26
Beaverton, OR
| said by More Fiber :An now back to our regularly scheduled programming (discussion): Normally, you can't just bring up two DHCP servers on the same subnet and expect predictable results, unless you've configured them very carefully. Both will offer a DHCP lease to any client that broadcasts a DHCP-DISCOVER packet, and which DHCP lease is accepted by the client is determined by the client. Which is precisely the reason I wanted you to try this with only one DHCP server (the Actiontec). As I was reminded from mwangen 's post, the Actiontec's DHCP server assumes that the Actiontec is always the gateway and uses it's own LAN address in the gateway address information returned to the client. There was a post about this in another thread. I believe there is a way around and am testing my idea now. I'll post back as soon as I can find a way for the Actiontec DHCP server to return a gateway address other than it's own. Post back if you find a way to accomplish this and I'll be more than happy to give it a whirl. |
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mattcurf8
join:2005-07-22
Hillsboro, OR
| reply to Psyclone
Has anybody taken a look at the DHCP transaction between the Actiontec router and Verizon FIOS DHCP server? Perhaps there is some additional DHCP information there that configures the Verizon back-end to work correctly with FIOS TV Central?
I've looked through a lot of traffic from Verizon to my non-AT router, and I don't see any indication that anything is sent to my router when I log into the TV Central website from another network. When I put the Actiontec router in, TV Central works. If I then substitute the Actiontec out with my router without releasing the DHCP lease (I use MAC cloning in my router), TV Central still works for an hour or so.
-Matt |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| said by mattcurf8 :When I put the Actiontec router in, TV Central works. If I then substitute the Actiontec out with my router without releasing the DHCP lease (I use MAC cloning in my router), TV Central still works for an hour or so. Good discovery. That certainly seems to imply that STB specific information is being exchanged with the VZ DHCP server during DHCP lease negotiation.
The "hour or so" would be when the Actiontec's original DHCP lease expires and your router attempts to renew the lease, but does not send the STB specific information.
I've run Wireshark on the LAN side, but have yet looked at the WAN side DHCP lease negotiation. |
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mwangen
join:2006-10-26
Beaverton, OR | reply to Psyclone
Any news? Has anyone had the chance to monitor the WAN DHCP traffic between VZ and the AT? |
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tyrius
join:2006-08-28
Bothell, WA
| reply to Psyclone
At least I'm not the only one having problems with this. I actually spoke with the FSC and the only response was, "That feature is still in BETA so there's not a lot I can do."
I was OK with the ActionTec until the latest firmware release crippled static addresses via DHCP. At that point I turned on DHCP and DNS on a Linux box I had laying around. I tried using FiOS TV Central after I re-enabled this configuration.
One interesting thing to note: if you look at "My Network" on the ActionTec do your STBs show as STBs or as computers? My HD STB shows as an STB, but the HM-DVR doesn't. I'm not sure if its a red herring or not, but I thought I'd throw it out there. The host name for the STB is "IP-STB2", but the host name for the DVR is "StaticIP Client." I've got my DHCP server set up to send the host-name back to the client but this doesn't appear to have done much good. |
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Silver_2000
Premium
join:2005-12-12
Carrollton, TX
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Psyclone
Its news tome that you can see the DVRs on the website
Ive had TV for 3 years or more - im ppoe
Im using a Wrt54g running ddwrt and I can see the dvrs I just dont have any options on the website to do anything with them .. In reading the site you have to be a home media customer ... I dont use the home media function its way tooo buggy - i just have 2 dvrs
Is there anyway I can program the DVrs over the internet without it ? |
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imt
@optonline.net
| reply to Psyclone
I have read the issues regarding programming the DVR from Verizon Central. At this point I do not have that option since we are not on that version of the IMG. But I had thought of some other things that someone can test that I didn't see listed here.
I did see that someone had mentioned that they first hooked up the actiontec direct to the ONT, like a normal install, and they were able to program the DVR from verizon central, and then they hooked back up their router and it still worked for about an hr. Then someone else mentioned that they even tried opening all UDP and TCP ports I believe, on their own router, and still can't program the DVR.
So out of all of the things that people have tried there is one I see missing. The answer might lie in the actiontec software and possibly only sends out this data or allows the connection through the WAN port on the actiontec.
Going back to the person that hooked back up the actiontec and then was able to program the dvr and then went back to their own router and still could see the dvr for about an hour, were you able to still program or make programming changes on the DVR for that hr before it stopped working? If so then this could be a ping that is sent from the STB's or a release of data approx every hr, via the actiontec software that is sent to verizon central telling the site that you or the STB's are "on line". As I said, maybe this is part of the actiontec software to send this signal at predetermined intervals but only through the wan port because this is how the signal would pass in a normal config. Remember that data goes from the cox on the data side through the wan port (coax or cat5e) to the ONT. With the setup described here you are only using the lan port on the actiontec.
What would happen if you did the following:
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1) On your own router. Make sure that you have an open static address for the lan side.
2) On the actiontec, set the Wan IP address to one of the free addresses in the static range from your own routers lan. Subnet should be the same 255.255.255.0 and the DHCP set to your own routers gateway address. Or the other option is to set the actiontec to automatically get the address and it will just pull from your own routers pool of DHCP addresses. (However, this would affect you trying the second option if this doesn't work).
3) Set the lan network to use a different address range. I would suggest using a lan address of 192.168.x.1, where x is something other than 1 (i.e like your house number). Then enable DHCP on the actiontec again. This will then assign addresses to the STB's, which will still be the only things connected to this router.
4) Unplug the cat5e from the lan port on the back of the actiontec and put it in the wan port instead.
Yes, I believe this will double nat the addresses but only for the stuff connected to the actiontec.
I cannot test this myself since as I said we don't have the home media DVR and aren't on the latest version of IMG yet anyway.
If this doesn't help then the next thing to try would be to enable the DMZ on your own router, assuming you have that option, and set it to the static address of the router that you would have done in step #2 above. This then will pass any and all traffic to the actiontec that is not destined for a computer on your own routers lan.
I'm thinking that maybe this may be the ticket. Please though don't just go right to the second option for testing. Would be good to know if one could do this without the need to open the DMZ on your own router since other may want to use that option for some other purpose on their lan.
Anyone want to test this out? |
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Silver_2000
Premium
join:2005-12-12
Carrollton, TX | reply to Psyclone
Dont forget that many people - Like me dont have actiontec routers - we were given old dlink POS and a sep box for VOD connection
Wonder if that will impact the use of online programming |
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