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[Newsgroups] The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

The Comcast Newsgroups service, powered by Giganews will be discontinued as of September 17th. Existing customers will continue to be able to access the service until October 25th.

This decision is in alignment with other Internet Service Providers that have recently terminated their Newsgroups service due to the declining popularity of Newsgroups as customers chose other methods, such as RSS feeds and web browsing to access information.

Added the Newsgroups title tag. ~sorto'

LeftOfSanity

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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

Well that bites. They only allowed 2 gigs per month anyway.

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so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

hahahaha I doubt it. Comcast just takes and takes while either raising prices or restricting/dropping services..

what's next, dump the "always on" and start charging by the hour after being on-line past a certain time limit??

this really sucks, now I have to pay an extra $8 per month for a service I want and use?

absolute bullshit..

LeftOfSanity

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said by beerbum See Profile :

so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

hahahaha I doubt it. Comcast just takes and takes while either raising prices or restricting/dropping services..

what's next, dump the "always on" and start charging by the hour after being on-line past a certain time limit??

this really sucks, now I have to pay an extra $8 per month for a service I want and use?

absolute bullshit..
Well technically the price you pay is for access to the internet. Anything else (email,usenet,free anti-virus) are just added features.
mardyron

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quote:
Well technically the price you pay is for access to the internet. Anything else (email,usenet,free anti-virus) are just added features.
that is plain crap. It is a package deal. If you read their site it even pushes the AMOUNT of storage for email & webspace for a website. Including software for website creation. So it IS PART OF THE PRICE.

But we all know they wont issue credits. Damn when you have an outage & 1 department tells you they will credit you have to follow up & force it or else they will rip you off. That goes for the TV/ISP/PHONE service. Not just 1 but all. I know different areas = different quality of service.

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said by mardyron See Profile :

quote:
Well technically the price you pay is for access to the internet. Anything else (email,usenet,free anti-virus) are just added features.
that is plain crap. It is a package deal. If you read their site it even pushes the AMOUNT of storage for email & webspace for a website. Including software for website creation. So it IS PART OF THE PRICE.

But we all know they wont issue credits. Damn when you have an outage & 1 department tells you they will credit you have to follow up & force it or else they will rip you off. That goes for the TV/ISP/PHONE service. Not just 1 but all. I know different areas = different quality of service.
Ok... what about years ago when there wasn't webspace?
No online storage?
No... anything?

They were added.
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I think that a lot of this disagreement is age-based.

For me, I started when Internet access meant dial up with nothing else. I then added usenet on my own. Next, I went to DSL. Internet only and I added my own Usenet. Next, I went to WOW cable. At the time, it was internet only. I added my own Usenet. I can't quite remember with Comcast, but I think it was 1GB when they inititally came to town here. I still had my own Usenet.

Taking away Usenet from someone that's been at it as long as I have is a non-issue. For the younger ones, I suppose it feels like something is being taken away.

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said by Goober See Profile :

I think that a lot of this disagreement is age-based.

For me, I started when Internet access meant dial up with nothing else. I then added usenet on my own. Next, I went to DSL. Internet only and I added my own Usenet. Next, I went to WOW cable. At the time, it was internet only. I added my own Usenet. I can't quite remember with Comcast, but I think it was 1GB when they inititally came to town here. I still had my own Usenet.

Taking away Usenet from someone that's been at it as long as I have is a non-issue. For the younger ones, I suppose it feels like something is being taken away.
More than likely!
Someone that came in to Comcast HSI recently, AFTER all the *added services* were in place and then get trashed "due to the declining popularity of Newsgroups...", Yeah!

Well, they were still added on to a rather plain service.
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said by Goober See Profile :

I think that a lot of this disagreement is age-based.

For me, I started when Internet access meant dial up with nothing else.
When I started there weren't any Interwebs. We had dialup to a public access Unix, and data traveled by UUCP.

I still like Usenet. If I didn't have a long-term agreement with Comcast I'd be bummed and look elsewhere to see if RCN or Verizon have better offers. (They might not, thems the breaks.) But I do have a 24-month agreement, so I'm not happy that midstream they took away two things that were part of why I accepted the agreement.

(- That IP belongs to my employer; I'm just borrowing it, not representing them.)

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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

I started back in those days as well. But, this is a discussion about internet access and Usenet.
mardyron

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Well then you must have had really bad providers. I go back to the dial-up providers. Most had email & webspace. Only the lame one's like prodigy & AOL didn't until later on.

I will restate that, I agree it is an age based topic & that depending on your location, different packages were offered @ different rates. But quite a few offered the email & webspace. In comparison from Verizon to Comcast, the Verizon DSL offers unlimited newsgroups with many more (topics) compared to the limited Comcast.

As in any case. Comcast has removed it, they wont offer a credit. They don't even respond to the "SLOW" connection. I recently upgraded to the triple play & they screwed with my "Gamers Package" for speed. I have been lucky & getting 10-16/1, now I'm luck if i get 3-5/384. I pay the extra & they still have yet to correct their screw up.

I will be dropping them soon if it isn't corrected. The Digital box has been replaced 3 times in less than 25 days. The EMTA box had to be replaced due to the failure of the phone during a power outage (this was due to the idiots NOT putting the battery backup in it).
chesler
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

Dadkins: yes, NNTP and HTTP are protocols. Losing the source of the content that went into the NNTP pipe is more like losing Rhapsody or the SciFi channel.

Mardyron: re-agreed its age. It used to be all email and news (or BBS for those that swung that way). For some of us news is big enough part that we're pissing and moaning about it here.

I've got the options of Comcast, Verison FIOS, or RCN in my location, and unfortunately even if I have to pay $8 for my own Giganews, the other two seem to be worse, on both price and analog TV content. I snail-mailed Comcast on 9/18, mentioning our 24-month agreement. I haven't seen their response yet.

(Hmm, I wonder if us old-farts who like Usenet also have an unusually high preference for analog TV? On a 19" lo-def set channel-lag is a bigger deal than extreme picture quality.)

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said by chesler See Profile :

Dadkins: yes, NNTP and HTTP are protocols. Losing the source of the content that went into the NNTP pipe is more like losing Rhapsody or the SciFi channel.

*Translation - no loss.

For those of us "old-farts" that did get into news... 2GB was then and is still now a waste of time!

Seriously, would any of you pay $7.99 for 2GB per month?

$19.99 - $24.99 for unlimited is a far better deal
If Comcast was offering unlimited then canceled it, I'd probably be pissed too. It's 2GB FFS!

Since it was 2GB, what's the fuss?
Because it was free?
TONS of free NGs out there! Problem solved, right?
Y'all aren't losing anything of any intrinsic value.
Complaining about something that will not be coming back is a waste of your(and our) time.

It's gone! CYA! Bye Bye! No more! History! Dust in the Wind! Game Over!

said by chesler See Profile :

(Hmm, I wonder if us old-farts who like Usenet also have an unusually high preference for analog TV? On a 19" lo-def set channel-lag is a bigger deal than extreme picture quality.)
Uhm... not here! Usenet is fine! 2GB was a joke so good riddance!
Extreme PQ? Hello! Typing this on one of two BD laptops.
Yeah, my cable is Standard cable(analog) but I do get Clear QAM HDTV via a tuner I have.
The networks, locals, and PBS are HD.
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said by beerbum See Profile :

so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts?
"hahahaha I doubt it."

Also when did Comcast raise CHSI prices?

Now you have to pay $8.00 a month for service you were previously getting for free. Chances are you will not and many will not.
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said by CableTool See Profile :

said by beerbum See Profile :

so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts?

I've been a Comcast HSI subscriber for eight years, and newsgroups have been a part of the package Comcast has marketed that whole time.

Also when did Comcast raise CHSI prices?

I'm not sure how that's relevant, since we're talking about reduction in services without a commiserate reduction in price.

Now you have to pay $8.00 a month for service you were previously getting for free. Chances are you will not and many will not.
Correction: nothing is free from a for-profit company. Newsgroups have been part of the internet package that Comcast markets. We are now facing a reduction in that package.

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said by Welcome to Post :

said by CableTool See Profile :

said by beerbum See Profile :

so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts?

I've been a Comcast HSI subscriber for eight years, and newsgroups have been a part of the package Comcast has marketed that whole time.

Also when did Comcast raise CHSI prices?

I'm not sure how that's relevant, since we're talking about reduction in services without a commiserate reduction in price.

Now you have to pay $8.00 a month for service you were previously getting for free. Chances are you will not and many will not.
Correction: nothing is free from a for-profit company. Newsgroups have been part of the internet package that Comcast markets. We are now facing a reduction in that package.
So when Comcast went from 6/384 to 6/1 and 8/768 to 8/2, did your Internet rate go up? After all, nothing is free. So all of our rates must have gone up with the increase in speed.

I didn't see anyone say "OMG! My Internet just got faster, how dare they increase it without increasing my rate. I am now receiving an addition to my package with the same rate!"

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said by Rob See Profile :

So when Comcast went from 6/384 to 6/1 and 8/768 to 8/2, did your Internet rate go up? After all, nothing is free. So all of our rates must have gone up with the increase in speed.
Yes. About the same time my cap was lifted from 6/384 to 6/1, there was a price increase of about $5. While most people didn't have the timing as close as we did, we had our yearly "we need more money"-a-thon the same time they did the slight bump in upload speeds.

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said by quetwo See Profile :

said by Rob See Profile :

So when Comcast went from 6/384 to 6/1 and 8/768 to 8/2, did your Internet rate go up? After all, nothing is free. So all of our rates must have gone up with the increase in speed.
Yes. About the same time my cap was lifted from 6/384 to 6/1, there was a price increase of about $5. While most people didn't have the timing as close as we did, we had our yearly "we need more money"-a-thon the same time they did the slight bump in upload speeds.
Your Internet rate went up by $5 dollars?

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said by quetwo See Profile :

said by Rob See Profile :

So when Comcast went from 6/384 to 6/1 and 8/768 to 8/2, did your Internet rate go up? After all, nothing is free. So all of our rates must have gone up with the increase in speed.
Yes. About the same time my cap was lifted from 6/384 to 6/1, there was a price increase of about $5. While most people didn't have the timing as close as we did, we had our yearly "we need more money"-a-thon the same time they did the slight bump in upload speeds.
Can post a scan of your bill where bundled (std-level) Internet is more than $42.95? Mine hasn't changed since 2002.
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I won't post a copy of my bill (it's been a year and a half since the increase).

Our municipality had the rate capped at 37.99 until 6/07. After that time, it went up $5 to the new rate of 42.95. No explaniation other than a renew of the municipality agreement.
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So your local franchise agency artificially forced Comcast to offer the service at a lower price than they offered it elsewhere. Then Comcast was able to convince them that it was unfair to force them to offer service "at cost"; probably offered to take their toys to other markets, and leave them with dead coax on the poles. So the franchise agency chose to allow Comcast to charge you what they already charged everybody else.

Government controlled prices are not "normal", and prices rising to the market level, when the government relinquishes controls, does not a "price hike" make.
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said by NormanS See Profile :

So your local franchise agency artificially forced Comcast to offer the service at a lower price than they offered it elsewhere.

Government controlled prices are not "normal", and prices rising to the market level, when the government relinquishes controls, does not a "price hike" make.
This "artificial"-ness runs both ways when there are only 0, 1, or 2 choices for any particular address. It takes a market to create market forces.
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said by funchords See Profile :

This "artificial"-ness runs both ways when there are only 0, 1, or 2 choices for any particular address. It takes a market to create market forces.
Pricing isn't set on a per address basis; it's based on the service area your address would reside in. As long as there is competition within your service area (which there almost always is), there are at least 2 services to compete on price.

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said by espaeth See Profile :

Pricing isn't set on a per address basis; it's based on the service area your address would reside in. As long as there is competition within your service area (which there almost always is), there are at least 2 services to compete on price.
That's still pretty far from a market, but your point is valid. It's also true the $42.95 is worth less now than it was 4 years ago -- so the price has dropped somewhat. ObTopic -- both Comcast and Verizon caved in to Cuomo, Verizon a bit differently -- »News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!!
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said by funchords See Profile :

ObTopic -- both Comcast and Verizon caved in to Cuomo, Verizon a bit differently -- »News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!!
As did AT&T, which removed the entire 'alt.binaries.*' hierarchy from their NNTP servers.

Oddly, Cuomo brags that he "forced" AOL to "toe the line", as well; yet AOL had already discontinued NNTP service a couple of years before he forced them to. Does he have a supply of 'thiotimoline' stashed somewhere?
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I've seen no increases in prices here in 6 years (other than features I've added myself)
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Are you a former Insight customer? Comcast hasn't raised their Internet rate since they posted a door hanger, 3 1/2 years ago, trying to get our custom (we're still with AT&T DSL). Nearly as I can tell, customers who've been with Comcast for as long as they have offered Internet have not seen price hikes.

OTOH, former ATTBI, Insight, Adelphia, and Road Runner customers, acquired by Comcast over the years, have often grumbled about "price hikes".
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My HSI is $52.95 per month.
When I first started paying that extra $10 per month, everyone had 3mbps and they were in the process of upgrading everyone to 4mbps - I didn't want to wait! I wanted the extra upload right then!
I opted to pay the Extra $10 for speed.

Here we are today.
The package I am on is a claimed 16mbps / 2mbps - whereas I get 17.3mbps / 2.2mbps.
All for that very same $52.95 per month.

So... 4mbps to 16mbps... they quadrupled my speed for no additional cost.

Mean ole Comcast!

Wait...

Back on-topic:
2GB of newsgroup was a joke and 90%(more?) of customers never used it anyways.
BFD!
If anyone wants "news", pay for it and get unlimited access.
News... LOL! Riiight!

DDL is so much better!
Private DDL Rules!
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said by Welcome to Post :

said by CableTool See Profile :

said by beerbum See Profile :

so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts?

I've been a Comcast HSI subscriber for eight years, and newsgroups have been a part of the package Comcast has marketed that whole time.

Also when did Comcast raise CHSI prices?

I'm not sure how that's relevant, since we're talking about reduction in services without a commiserate reduction in price.

Now you have to pay $8.00 a month for service you were previously getting for free. Chances are you will not and many will not.
Correction: nothing is free from a for-profit company. Newsgroups have been part of the internet package that Comcast markets. We are now facing a reduction in that package.
When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction.
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said by CableTool See Profile :

When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction.
So Comcast offered Internet service without Usenet when they first started? Also, your statement is flawed in that the cost to deliver service has become less expensive. Granted, service has increased as well. But let's look at reality for a moment... when Usenet started it too very little resources. It's resources have increased and so has the cost of Internet access. You really think Comcast has never increased it's price due to the resources of Usenet?

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said by tcope See Profile :

So Comcast offered Internet service without Usenet when they first started? Also, your statement is flawed in that the cost to deliver service has become less expensive. Granted, service has increased as well. But let's look at reality for a moment... when Usenet started it too very little resources. It's resources have increased and so has the cost of Internet access. You really think Comcast has never increased it's price due to the resources of Usenet?
You know what is really sad? The actual costs involved to run usenet - minus the binary groups - are minimal..

A couple quad core computers and one or two TB for storage could handle it - with a greater than 30 day retention - again, minus the binary groups.

All they needed to do was drop the binaries.. Although I bet that was not an option available from Giganews..

Believe it or not, usenet was never intended to be a file service - it is a discussion service.
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said by beerbum See Profile :

You know what is really sad? The actual costs involved to run usenet - minus the binary groups - are minimal..

A couple quad core computers and one or two TB for storage could handle it - with a greater than 30 day retention - again, minus the binary groups.
Then what happened to all of the free NNTP providers? Why did Supernews sell out to Giganews?

You have to consider the Internet access, too. NNTP providers need access to transit, and sufficient transit capacity to handle the access load on their servers.
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said by NormanS See Profile :

said by beerbum See Profile :

You know what is really sad? The actual costs involved to run usenet - minus the binary groups - are minimal..

A couple quad core computers and one or two TB for storage could handle it - with a greater than 30 day retention - again, minus the binary groups.
Then what happened to all of the free NNTP providers? Why did Supernews sell out to Giganews?
binaries.. all the warez, porn, videos, music.. all that shit is what killed / is killing usenet.. here.. some stats you may find interesting..




that snapshot is showing that 25 newsgroups account for 2,160 MB.. or 2.1 gigabytes per day.. this is only a small handful of groups..

notice they are all binary newsgroups.. I don't have stats for non-binary groups handy (yet) but I doubt if you add up traffic on all the non binary groups the total would still be less than group #25 above..

as of now, the daily total traffic on usenet is in the neighborhood of 14-17 gig per day.. filter out the binaries and most of us here have hardware that could handle the traffic..
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said by beerbum See Profile :

as of now, the daily total traffic on usenet is in the neighborhood of 14-17 gig per day.. filter out the binaries and most of us here have hardware that could handle the traffic..
Most of you there don't have an Internet connection that can handle the traffic. You'd have to pay for hosting with the likes of Sprint, LimeLight Networks, NAC, et. al., to carry your traffic. Hosting isn't free; and, when your traffic exceeds the bandwidth you paid for, you are offline until the end of the billing cycle; unless you want to fork over extra $$$.

However, you are pointing out why Comcast *could* have followed AT&T. It just happens that AT&T only stopped carrying the binary groups; mostly the 'alt.binaries.*' hierarchy. Not the first time that Comcast has taken a different tack than they could have.
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Are you sure you have those stats right?

They seem an order of magnitude "low"...

Just guessing here, but I believe those groups you list are probably pumping 200 G's a day when added together.

Which is why a lot of ISPs dropped the binary groups a long time ago, or have a 1-2 day retention... There is simply too much data on those groups except for the dedicated Usenet companies.

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said by CableTool See Profile :

When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction.
AT&T used to have their own news servers. Then they moved it to giganews. If they are going to remove this function of the internet, they should reduce the price they are charging.

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said by mogulman See Profile :

said by CableTool See Profile :

When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction.
AT&T used to have their own news servers. Then they moved it to giganews. If they are going to remove this function of the internet, they should reduce the price they are charging.
Then Comcast should have raised the rates when they increased upload speeds for 384 and 768 to 1mb and 2mb, respectively, no?
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said by mogulman See Profile :

AT&T used to have their own news servers. Then they moved it to giganews. If they are going to remove this function of the internet, they should reduce the price they are charging.
AT&T (Worldnet Service) has always run their own NNTP servers. Now that SBC runs the show, they have two NNTP server farms: ATTW (which also covers AT&T Southeast, the old Bellsouth), and ATTIS (which used to be Prodigy).

Perhaps you are confusing ATTBI with "T"?
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said by CableTool See Profile :

When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction.
What exact date range was Usenet "added originally" by Comcast? You do know Usenet existed before WWW, right?
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beerbum
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said by CableTool See Profile :

When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction.
Really? I'd like to know when because as I recall, Comcast started HSI with usenet access included - from their own news servers.

It wasn't until later on they decided to outsource to Giganews..

ancow

pwned
TheBigCheese

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Voorhees, NJ

said by CableTool See Profile :

said by beerbum See Profile :

Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts?
"hahahaha I doubt it."

There was always newsgroup access in my area from day one. Then Comcast took over from Excite@home. At that time, you had unlimited downloads. Then Comcast outsourced the service and only allowed 2GB/month.

Some ISP's are eliminating email and personal web pages so I guess soon we will see an announcement that Myspace has taken over from personal web pages and GMail is available for free so all that will be left is raw Internet access.
kenshell

join:2004-01-21
Woodbridge, NJ
·Comcast

Did Comcast get it for free from Giganews?

said by CableTool See Profile :

said by beerbum See Profile :

so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts?
"hahahaha I doubt it."

Also when did Comcast raise CHSI prices?

Now you have to pay $8.00 a month for service you were previously getting for free. Chances are you will not and many will not.
jaymz668

join:2002-03-21
Bloomington, IN

said by CableTool See Profile :

Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts?
"hahahaha I doubt it."

No, it was part of the base price, all the way back to @Home days.

axelrose
Merry X-mas Liberals..

join:2005-05-25
Chattanooga, TN
·Comcast

said by beerbum See Profile :

so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month?

hahahaha I doubt it.
I doubt it too. Comcast is just like the gasoline stations that have increased the price of a gallon of gasoline while the price of oil has dropped more than $50 over that same period of time.

Comcast is going to get every penny they legally can steal from us.

Where is congress?
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rlocone
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There service sucked anyways. I've been using Giganews for years now. Also, if anything goes down w/ RIAA/MPAA & Newsgroups the ISPs wash their hands of it.

beerbum
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by rlocone See Profile :

There service sucked anyways. I've been using Giganews for years now. Also, if anything goes down w/ RIAA/MPAA & Newsgroups the ISPs wash their hands of it.
just so you know.. Comcast's usenet has been outsourced to Giganews for some time now.. So I fail to see how Comcast's usenet sucks while Giganews usenet is "better".


rlocone
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

That may be true. You just didn't get the same value out of it. Sometimes you get what you pay for.

Rob
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Kendall, FL
It sucks for Giganews.
NormanS
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said by comcastcares See Profile :

The Comcast Newsgroups service, powered by Giganews will be discontinued as of September 17th. Existing customers will continue to be able to access the service until October 25th.

This decision is in alignment with other Internet Service Providers that have recently terminated their Newsgroups service due to the declining popularity of Newsgroups as customers chose other methods, such as RSS feeds and web browsing to access information.
Interesting. I guess that leaves the (current) largest ISP as one of the few standing to continue NNTP service (albeit, without the 'alt.binaries.*' hierarchy).

It is nice to see Comcast not lay the blame for this at NYAG Mario Cuomo's feet.
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joe40

join:2005-11-26
Danbury, CT
i am a little glad
2 gigs a month was never large enough to be of any good use.
all i want is comcast replace it with something.
but not likely

RR Conductor
RailRoadDude
Premium
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Redwood Valley, CA
·Comcast

I'm not sad to see them go, I stopped using Usenet a while ago. The newsgroups are a free for all, with no moderation at all, and while I know many use them for legitimate purposes, there are a lot of freaks hiding out on them, it's scary what is posted on on some of them.
ELRefugee

join:2002-02-07
Scotts Valley, CA
·Comcast

Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

Usenet isn't "going" anywhere. The world is simply being divided into haves and have-nots -- and almost the whole world is in that first category. America's major ISPs are forcing their customers into the second.

Fortunately plenty of smaller ISPs are still around. Buh bye Comcast.

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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by ELRefugee See Profile :

Usenet isn't "going" anywhere. The world is simply being divided into haves and have-nots -- and almost the whole world is in that first category. America's major ISPs are forcing their customers into the second.

Fortunately plenty of smaller ISPs are still around. Buh bye Comcast.
I know it's not going away, I was just saying I won't miss it on Comcast. It's a great resource, no doubt, but the pedos, psychos and weirdos have ruined it for the rest, and you will continue to see attacks on it because of them.
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by RR Conductor See Profile :

said by ELRefugee See Profile :

Usenet isn't "going" anywhere. The world is simply being divided into haves and have-nots -- and almost the whole world is in that first category. America's major ISPs are forcing their customers into the second.

Fortunately plenty of smaller ISPs are still around. Buh bye Comcast.
I know it's not going away, I was just saying I won't miss it on Comcast. It's a great resource, no doubt, but the pedos, psychos and weirdos have ruined it for the rest, and you will continue to see attacks on it because of them.
These same people use trains too, lets get rid of those.

mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
ok since comcast is getting rid of newsgroups on october 25th what service is the best newsgroup service out there (downloads, size,etc)?

absm

@comcast.net

Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

I've had Supernews and quit them for some reason I don't recall - guess it was a price hike.

Currently use Easynews. Hell fast, rollover bandwidth, web interface.

rolfp

join:2001-09-12
Oakland, CA
»www.powerusenet.com/

Member Center
Status: Active
Transfer Amt: 5.77GB
Transfer Limit: 25.00GB
Rotate On: 09/19/08

I think not bad. 25G for ~$10/mo.

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Well it's a way of raising prices without actually raising prices. Now they don't pay $7.99 to giganews or whatever. Even if they host their own newsgroups, that's less money towards server maintenance. So the bottom line they receive will be more, without raising a dime to the subscriber. 90% of the subscriber base won't even know what a newsgroup is. RCN announced this first, so at least were not the guinea pigs.

Comcast will send you to their heavily filtered forums if you want to talk about something. And for binaries, they'll send you elsewhere, as long as you stay within your 250GB cap and don't incur DMCA notices!

Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
This was one of the few advantages Comcast still had over Verizon Fios, because Fios greatly cut back on newsgroup archiving. Comcast's decision gives me even less of a reason to stay with them. Man they do nothing right.

ncherry
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Monroe Township, NJ
·Comcast

Hmm, I expected this, anywhere they can save a dime they will and since so few people use it (I'm one of them) it wasn't a surprise. I'm just waiting for them to drop their mail service (hey you can get the likes of Google Mail and Yahoo Mail) and then their 'home pages'. If it wasn't for my wife needing the TV I'd dump them for cheaper DSL. Once it's a commodity it just a price difference.

'Scuse me while I go shopping for Newsgroup access.

Oh, and to the guy who suggested using a Blog. May I suggest you blog and Usenet (newsgroups) to see what the difference is. They are two different things.
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Rob
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by ncherry See Profile :

Hmm, I expected this, anywhere they can save a dime they will and since so few people use it (I'm one of them) it wasn't a surprise. I'm just waiting for them to drop their mail service (hey you can get the likes of Google Mail and Yahoo Mail) and then their 'home pages'. If it wasn't for my wife needing the TV I'd dump them for cheaper DSL. Once it's a commodity it just a price difference.

'Scuse me while I go shopping for Newsgroup access.

Oh, and to the guy who suggested using a Blog. May I suggest you blog and Usenet (newsgroups) to see what the difference is. They are two different things.
I wish they would drop e-mail.

ncherry
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by Rob See Profile :

said by ncherry See Profile :

Hmm, I expected this, anywhere they can save a dime they will ... I'm just waiting for them to drop their mail service (hey you can get the likes of Google Mail and Yahoo Mail) and then their 'home pages'. ...
I wish they would drop e-mail.
The way they treat their users I suspect many of the smart one's have already left.
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rolfp

join:2001-09-12
Oakland, CA
Don't know if by 'home pages' you mean the personal web site thingy but I think that capacity was increased to 1G not too long ago. That's more than any comparable plan I've seen and I appreciate the space.
tcope
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Sandy, UT
If Comcast is not going to provide access to Usenet... they should no longer claim that they provide Internet access.

Internet = www, email, Usenet.

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pandora
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Outland
·ooma
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I think New York states attorney general (Mr. Cuomo) was threatening to sue Comcast if they didn't preclude access to some porn and what not on newsgroups. The easiest out for Comcast was probably just to do away with the entire thing. See - »Comcast Caves to Cuomo Legal Threat
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jbob
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Little Rock, AR
·Comcast
·AT&T Southwest

Can someone answer this question. How Do/Did the major ISPs offer NNTP service? Do they pay some other provider to access another NNTP provider(like Comcast has done with Giganews) or do the ISPs have to maintain their own NNTP servers/portal or whatever it's called?

hep cat
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Decatur, GA

Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

jbob some maintain their own others use a provider like Giganews. One of if not the best ISP that ran their own was Mindspring before it was turned into Earthlink. Jan ran a tight ship. Binaries and http were kept out of text only groups. Fake and joke groups were never on the server.
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FunnyBones
Premium
join:2004-01-22
usa
·Vonage

Just one day after I was talking about comcrap and newsgroups they kill it.. I am no big fan of it but it was the last place for real freedom to post or say anything you want... I am no big fan of newsgroups and their are others but with the cap it is censorship and total control of your connection but as a former user of comcast and I know you will pay for your shenanigans like the time you were forging packets to interfere with user traffic and more.....

This is a wake up call!
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by FunnyBones See Profile :

I am no big fan of newsgroups and their are others but with the cap it is censorship and total control of your connection but as a former user of comcast and I know you will pay for your shenanigans like the time you were forging packets to interfere with user traffic and more.....

This is a wake up call!
Censorship? Try again. You can use your connection, if you had Comcast, to connect to any Newsgroup (NNTP) provider of your choosing - a free or paid provider. They are simply no longer providing the 2 GB Giganews account as part of your basic Internet service package.

Other than the fact that accessing a NNTP server generates traffic, this has absolutely no relation to the prior announcement clarifying the cap at 250 GB.

FunnyBones
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usa
·Vonage

Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by AVonGauss See Profile :

said by FunnyBones See Profile :

I am no big fan of newsgroups and their are others but with the cap it is censorship and total control of your connection but as a former user of comcast and I know you will pay for your shenanigans like the time you were forging packets to interfere with user traffic and more.....

This is a wake up call!
Censorship? Try again. You can use your connection, if you had Comcast, to connect to any Newsgroup (NNTP) provider of your choosing - a free or paid provider. They are simply no longer providing the 2 GB Giganews account as part of your basic Internet service package.

Other than the fact that accessing a NNTP server generates traffic, this has absolutely no relation to the prior announcement clarifying the cap at 250 GB.
internet 2 is going to be highly censored and you will see in the end what im talking about but the war has started and its not just comcast but this is the cornerstone and more will follow..
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Censorship? Censorship! I don't see any censorship. If Comcast ever blocks your access to Easynews, Giganews, Newsguay, et. al.then you may cry, "Censorship!" Until then, Comcast is free to carry as much, or as little content as they wish, along with offering TCP/IP connectivity to the Internet.
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FunnyBones
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usa
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Down to the nitty gritty on comcast

I have watched the system go into place first with bush trying to get more control and the third world nations telling the us to back off. I have watched rupert murdoch buy myspace and they started shuting down anything related to a corrupt government. See even things like free wifi wont be free when you will have an agreement to scan your thumb print first so that way they know who is doing what and have total control and this happening on a level that is hard to fathom and you think comcast is bad some others think a 40 or 90 cap is the way to go.

So I ask you AVonGauss do you think im wrong about censorship?
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by FunnyBones See Profile :

So I ask you AVonGauss do you think im wrong about censorship?
I think your political views and comments are off topic for a thread about Comcast discontinuing its newsgroup service.

sturmvogel
Obama '08

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Houston, TX

Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by AVonGauss See Profile :

said by FunnyBones See Profile :

So I ask you AVonGauss do you think im wrong about censorship?
I think your political views and comments are off topic for a thread about Comcast discontinuing its newsgroup service.
While maybe offtopic, they are true in the overall context of censorship and Constitutional law breaking we have seen lately.
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

Then maybe the two of you should start a separate thread to express your opinions regarding how Comcast through their HSI service offering is an act of censorship or an attack on the constitutional law. It aught to be an interesting read.

cb2367

@uscg.mil

I don't actively use the newsgroups, but this is the first I am hearing about Comcast discontinuing newsgroup service. I wonder why they wouldn't have notified customers through a notice in the mail or via a notice on the monthly bill. Comcast sent an e-mail about the bandwidth cap, which affects Internet service, so following the same "logic", wouldn't a discontinuation of newsgroups be something that affects Internet service?

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jbob
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·AT&T Southwest

Saw this posted today on the USENET group "alt.online-service.comcast" Note: this is not an official Comcast newsgroup.

quote:
I learned, yesterday, that Comcast will stop providing Usenet
(outsourced to Giganews) to existing subscribers October 25, and that
it's already ceased offering Usenet access to those new to Usenet
September 16. I don't read this newsgroup very often; oh well.

I called the Comcast sales telephone number and spoke to a salesman in
the customer retention group. This is the area your call gets routed to
if you select "discontinue service". I told her Usenet was worth $5 a
month to me. She gave me a credit for the next year. I told her to
specifically note that I requested the credit for loss of Usenet
service.

Everyone should do the same.


funchords
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

That's pretty cool, actually. I hope it remains true.

WhahWhahWhah

@comcast.net


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Usenet was a ***FREE*** addition to the HSI package so Comcast is not under any obligation to provide it free for eternity.

It should be noted that 3 years ago my speeds were 4Mb down and 384Kb up. Today, for the same money, I get 16Mb down and 2 Mb up. I suspect most everyone has seen similar speed increases. Did anyone whine about that?

Seems like all people do today is whine whine whine!

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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by WhahWhahWhah :

Usenet was a ***FREE*** addition to the HSI package so Comcast is not under any obligation to provide it free for eternity.
Could be that the connectivity was free and we've been paying $50 a month for usenet. You don't get to pick what part of a package was free and what part was not, especially since Comcast enjoys relaxed regulation as an "Information Service" and not as a "Common Carrier."
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Greg2600

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Belleville, NJ

Many are missing the larger point. That is that Comcast's service, particularly HSI and DCTV, were at one time at the top of what providers' offered. Since that point, IMO FIOS and possibly DirecTV or Dish have more to offer. About all Comcast has over them these days is the size of its On Demand library (for how long?). I use USENET here and there, and it was a very nice addition to the service. So now HSI is much slower than FIOS, at the same price, and without USENET (FIOS dropped it too). Which is the better product? I'm not going to claim the loss of free USENET is the end of the world, but it was one of the few things CC has that the others didn't. Not anymore.

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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued

said by Greg2600 See Profile :

IMO FIOS and possibly DirecTV or Dish have more to offer.
And what is the size of FiOS's footprint ? And what will it ultimately be in the future ?
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