Titus Pullo
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Re: Sarah Palin's Yahoo Account Hacked
Of course. It's either stinking, rotten political skullduggery or subterfuge. Either way, the public will never know. Caribou Barbie walks away and is still one heartbeat from leading the nation. Someone shoot me. I take that back ... someone probably would! 
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| said by Titus Pullo  :Someone shoot me. I take that back ... someone probably would! Yes, probably Dick Cheney. |
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KodiacZiller
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What's so humorous is that the left-wing has nothing to attack Palin on (despite an army of lawyers and investigators sent to Alaska to dig up dirt) other than "troopergate" and these e-mails.
FACT: Palin wanted the trooper fired because he tasered her TEN YEAR OLD nephew and was an alcoholic who drank while driving his patrol car around. Interestingly, most of the news articles I see about "troopergate" conveniently leave these little facts out.
FACT: There is no law against a public official having a private e-mail account
FACT: There is no evidence (even inside the hacked e-mails) that Palin was using this Yahoo account for government business or to hide her correspondence about this ridiculous witch hunt known as "troopergate."
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Wildcatboy
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(topic move) Sarah Palin's Yahoo Account Hacked
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ff1324
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Re: Sarah Palin's Yahoo Account Hacked
said by KodiacZiller :said by ff1324 :While this does not involve the State of Missouri, Missouri state "Sunshine Law" (open records act) includes not only "official" email accounts (i.e. governor@mo.gov), but also any official communications made via private email accounts (such as mo.bigcheese@yahoo.com). I'd be surprised if other open records laws did not contain similar clauses. And... your point? There was no official business being discussed in the e-mails the cracker released. You can't just make up your own facts because you want them to be true. My point was explaining to the "lawyers" here that the use of a Yahoo account, in the course of official state business, private communications, or campaigning is most likely not against the law as many have proposed. The only fact described was to explain the applicability of Missouri open records laws.
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| said by ff1324 :My point was explaining to the "lawyers" here that the use of a Yahoo account, in the course of official state business, private communications, or campaigning is most likely not against the law... Definitely not against the law. Like "I never had sex with that woman" wasn't against the law either. But somehow pesky to get rid of it. |
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DrStrange
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| Even if it isn't against the law, it's indicative of incredibly poor judgement on her part. It's the kind of judgement that could lead to a major national security breach or worse. IMHO that type of character flaw disqualifies her as a potential leader. |
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2 edits | said by DrStrange :Even if it isn't against the law, it's indicative of incredibly poor judgement on her part. It's the kind of judgement that could lead to a major national security breach or worse. IMHO that type of character flaw disqualifies her as a potential leader. Exactly. If she thinks that characterizing herself as a bulldog (or whatever) is fine - that tells me a lot about her  .
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Noah Vail
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said by DrStrange :Even if it isn't against the law, it's indicative of incredibly poor judgement on her part. That might actually be true if she were the Alaska State IT Babe. What she did was to follow the AK State email guidelines set forth by her predecessors;
which were none at all.
said by DrStrange :It's the kind of judgement that could lead to a major national security breach or worse. Please illustrate for us,
the national security breach that might occur
because the State Governor of Alaska
followed the email guidelines
setup by Federal Agencies for State Governors
(which, incidentally, were None At All).
said by DrStrange : IMHO that type of character flaw disqualifies her as a potential leader. Just so we get a measure of things,
when the Somali Government offered Osama Bin Laden to President Bill Clinton (after the Tanzania/Kenya bombings - before 9-11-01) and he refused, did he also exhibit a character flaw?
And do you find his character flaw less troubling
than a governor over a state (w/ ½ pop of RI) who did not personally draft and then follow a state government email protocol?
Just so we know.
NV
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marigolds
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| said by Noah Vail :said by DrStrange :Even if it isn't against the law, it's indicative of incredibly poor judgement on her part. That might actually be true if she were the Alaska State IT Babe. What she did was to follow the AK State email guidelines set forth by her predecessors; which were none at all. »www.state.ak.us/local/akpages/AD···ds.shtml
»www.state.ak.us/local/akpages/AD···inal.doc
(In particular, email must be provisioned through microsoft outlook and the exchange servers, email security must go through Microsoft Active Directory, for all state of Alaska departments. "Non-standard Freeware or Open Source software may not be used in production systems unless approved by the TMC."
»www.state.ak.us/local/akpages/AD···ns.shtml
(Governor's office plan calls for use of Microsoft Outlook or Exchange Server for all correspondence, which cannot be used with Yahoo.)
»www.state.ak.us/local/akpages/AD···odel.pdf
(Governor's office subordinate to TMC for IT policy.)
»www.state.ak.us/local/akpages/AD···inal.pdf
(Policy applies to all offsite access to network resources and government communications.)
»https://www.state.ak.us/auth/DOA/ETS/sec···inal.pdf
Strong passwords required on accounts used for government business.
»https://www.state.ak.us/auth/DOA/ETS/sec···p026.pdf
Deleting email with retention on electronic media a violation of sunshine laws and against policy.
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DrStrange
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| Thanks for thie info. I don't want to get into partisan politics here. I'm just making my own personal evaluation of her professional judgement.
HR people invent hypothetical situations for use in interviewing prospective employees to weed out people like this from executive and supervisory positions. It's too bad they don't do that for politicians. Oh, wait, that's OUR job, isn't it? |
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NyQuil Kid
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Brick, NJ | reply to SUMware
Mother Jones? You use Mother Jones as an example of journalistic integrity? You have got to be joking....the only time I would have that rag in my hand would be if I was walking my dog and needed something to clean up the mess. |
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Noah Vail
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I found loopholes in there, but yea;
You're right and I'm wrong.
She broke guidelines and should be spanked.
You can handle that one.
I'll restate my post with just the main point.
Thanks for the info.
NV
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gallowsroad
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Re: Sarah Palin's Yahoo Account Hacked
said by KodiacZiller :What's so humorous is that the left-wing has nothing to attack Palin on (despite an army of lawyers and investigators sent to Alaska to dig up dirt) You are aware that this never actually happened? That claim was debunked the day the McCain campaign made it.
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marigolds
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said by Noah Vail :I found loopholes in there, but yea. There are definitely loopholes in there big enough to allow what she was doing. I think the real issue is that she was certainly going against the spirit of the guidelines, and doing so to protect her communications from Sunshine laws. An SEC regulated company who tried to use similar loopholes to evade Sarbanes-Oxley requirements (like Title II or III requirements) would get hammered in the media and by the SEC.
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SUMware
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Little or No Jail Time Likely for Palin Hacker
»Little or No Jail Time Likely for Palin Hacker |
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Re: Sarah Palin's Yahoo Account Hacked
said by mitchmiami :No evidence obtained by illegal means is admissible in court in the USA. Are you sure?
quote:
Evidence unlawfully obtained from the defendant by a private person is admissible. The exclusionary rule is designed to protect privacy rights, with the Fourth Amendment applying specifically to government officials.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule |
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coxta
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There was a recent case, this year, in which a worker hacked into the co-workers computer over 500 times over a period of five months and then sold the information to a reporter. The computer was a company computer and the company had an email server and the co-worker had a yahoo account. This also was a violation of the workplace terms of agreement. The fellow got a six month sentence by the feds.
The single charge: "intentionally accessing a protected computer without authorization and thereby obtaining information in furtherance of a tortious act- 1 count).
If Palin's hacker gets anything close to this, it will be foul. This is a kid who did it once on a public account and had no monetary interest in the act. Is it wrong? Of course it is, but Palin shouldn't be broadcasting her account information for the world to know. It wasn't a government account. That would be an entirely different matter. Has anyone ever had a public email account like this hacked? Did the feds get called in? Put it into perspective. If it happened to anyone else, it would be a non-event. It's Palin that should be confronted. Bad judgement all around.
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