OZO
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Re: "Official" email migration thread
Ok, I've just testes WebMail's way. I've added additional email address, made it 'default' and tested my Outlook client.
1) Test message received has the new email address that I've just added in WebMail and not one that I've specified in my Outllok client. That's not what I need. I owe my domain and I need to be able to send messages from it.
2) Test message header contains multiple references to my account mail in DLSE (my actual account address is replaced with 'myacc' here):
Return-Path: <myacc@dslextreme.com>
Delivered-To: myacc@dslextreme.com
smtp.mail=myacc@dslextreme.com
Sender: "myacc @dslextreme.com"
X-CTASD-Sender: myacc@dslextreme.com
Return-Path: myacc@dslextreme.com
It's completely unacceptable...
And it's completely different from what we had here before this "exciting news"...
Zak_D_H  - please provide me with instructions how to use Outlook to send messages from my domain without this WebMail hack, which as you see is not working at all (just a smoke in eyes).
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wb457
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1 edit | Just curious. Since the migration NOD32 used to add a footer to received mail that it has scanned. Now there's nothing. Is mail now somehow bypassing NOD32's scanning? |
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Zak_D_H
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Salt Lake City, UT | wb457,
Do you know if NOD32 is compatible with SSL? If it does not support SSL it will no longer scan your E-mail. |
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Zak_D_H
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OZO,
There is no way to send through smtp.gmail.com without the from saying your @dslextreme.com E-mail address. If you want it to show as being from your Domain you have to have us unblock port 25 and then send using your own domains outgoing mail-server. |
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jadinolf
I love you Fred
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Ojai, CA
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said by Zak_D_H :wb457, Do you know if NOD32 is compatible with SSL? If it does not support SSL it will no longer scan your E-mail. Same with avast! and probably most antivirus programs. 
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Zak_D_H
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Salt Lake City, UT | It would appear NOD32 does not support SSL:
»www.betterantivirus.com/nod32-an···582.html |
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cowboy
So Much For Subtlety
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Same with avast! and probably most antivirus programs. 
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OZO
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1 edit | reply to Zak_D_H
said by Zak_D_H :OZO, There is no way to send through smtp.gmail.com without the from saying your @dslextreme.com E-mail address. If you want it to show as being from your Domain you have to have us unblock port 25 and then send using your own domains outgoing mail-server. That's a complete show-stopper for me.
I can't use the new DSLE (gmail-based) mail service at all... May I call it an "exciting news"?
Can I return back to my old Outlook settings and use smtp.dslextreme.com again?
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cowboy
So Much For Subtlety
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said by Zak_D_H :OZO, There is no way to send through smtp.gmail.com without the from saying your @dslextreme.com E-mail address. If you want it to show as being from your Domain you have to have us unblock port 25 and then send using your own domains outgoing mail-server. Ah, right, I tested from webmail - not client MUAs, I can't do any testing from work (25 outbound blocked), so I'll take your word on this - It makes sense that smtp.dslextreme.com would have no knowledge of webmail settings.
I can assist with a local MTA on most Unix distros - and ssmtp/email under windows if the OP needs help
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Zak_D_H
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said by OZO :said by Zak_D_H :OZO, There is no way to send through smtp.gmail.com without the from saying your @dslextreme.com E-mail address. If you want it to show as being from your Domain you have to have us unblock port 25 and then send using your own domains outgoing mail-server. That's a complete show-stopper for me. I can't use the new DSLE (gmail-based) mail service at all... May I call it an "exciting news"? Can I return back to my old Outlook settings and use smtp.dslextreme.com again? Why don't you just send using your Private domains outgoing mailserver on port 25? |
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sded
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San Diego, CA
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Visit thr avast! forum for fairly straightforward instructions on how to set up avast! to scan encrypted email. Uses the external program Stunnel, along with the free openSSL library. I have been scanning the usual ssl dslextreme and gmail this way with avast! for several years. Since you can't scan the email directly after it is encrypted by the server, you first decrypt it via Stunnel then scan it with avast! external to your client. Or for outgoing, scan it first and then encrypt it. Technique works with some other scanners also, built into a few. Works for both incoming and outgoing secure email. |
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OZO
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join:2003-01-17 | reply to Zak_D_H
Simply because I assume that DSLE provided smtp/pop server is more reliable than one that I may run in my home environment.
If my DSL line is down (and it happens time to time) - your server is still running and collecting my important mails. |
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jadinolf
I love you Fred
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said by sded :Visit thr avast! forum for fairly straightforward instructions on how to set up avast! to scan encrypted email. Uses the external program Stunnel, along with the free openSSL library. I have been scanning the usual ssl dslextreme and gmail this way with avast! for several years. Since you can't scan the email directly after it is encrypted by the server, you first decrypt it via Stunnel then scan it with avast! external to your client. Or for outgoing, scan it first and then encrypt it. Technique works with some other scanners also, built into a few. Works for both incoming and outgoing secure email. I've been looking at that for quite a while.
I think I'm to dumb to do it but I am mulling it over.
I don't suppose you'd consider coming up to tutor me. I'll buy dinner.
Thanks.
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sded
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1 edit | OK; since encrypted email is now a general dslx issue, I guess we can discuss it here. Let's start with a simple task-getting avast! to scan incoming SSL pop3 mail for Thunderbird. First picture shows the TB setup-just unencrypted email coming in from localhost proxy port 11110 for a dslx user. Make sure it includes your complete email address. Picture 2 shows the avast! setup, adding the port 11110 to those captured by avast! Picture 3 is the key, and is a copy of the stunnel.conf file renamed to .txt for viewing. Stunnel will intercept dslx email coming in on port 995, decrypt it, and pass it on to avast! to be virus scanned, then avast! will pass it on to TB on port 11110 for the TB user. All of the Stunnel setup for both dslx and separate gmail accounts are shown; others are similar. You can download Stunnel and the OpenSSL library for Windows at »www.stunnel.org/download/binaries.html . If you don't use TB, we can adapt the client similarly. |
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jadinolf
I love you Fred
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Ojai, CA
1 edit | Good info.
I hope that's not your REAL email address.
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cowboy
So Much For Subtlety
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said by OZO :Simply because I assume that DSLE provided smtp/pop server is more reliable than one that I may run in my home environment. If my DSL line is down (and it happens time to time) - your server is still running and collecting my important mails. You're mixing up to completely differrent things here:
1) An Outbound mail origination issue
2) An psuedo inbound store & forward (aka MX)
The failure of the first, in your case, has no bearing on the abilities of the second !
These days, secondary MX has fallen into some disfavour due to the intractability of proper backscatter prevention if not all the MX are under your control (like in my situation). However, some MX capability is needed - though things get a little complicated with a setup like you're attempting.
I run my own outbound/inbound mail - and pay for secondary DNS and MX service (nominal $)... it has suited me fine for many years
I don't see an easy way out, shy of paying for remote hosting - I hear our ISP even does that 
A change like this was bound to have some fallout - and you happen to be in the worst spot
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dslx_gm
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said by OZO :Simply because I assume that DSLE provided smtp/pop server is more reliable than one that I may run in my home environment. If my DSL line is down (and it happens time to time) - your server is still running and collecting my important mails. Ozo,
I assume that you have your domain registrar simply point all email received to your @dslextreme.com address. To get around the issue I would recommend that you setup a free Google Apps domain edition account. You can then forward all incoming mail received to that address to your @dslextreme.com account. All incoming mail would remain the same as your current setup. You could then use smtp.gmail.com with your username@domain.com for the settings. When you sent email through those settings the Google platform would see you as authorized to send. Your domain and email address would therefore appear. I have been using Google Apps in a similar fashion for my own domains for the past few months and have been very happy. I used to run my own server. Though I had the advantage of hosting it in our data center, it is much less of a headache now to manage and I don't have to deal with updating spam and virus software on the mail server.
I hope that helps.
Thanks
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sded
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San Diego, CA
1 edit | reply to jadinolf
A test for the new spam filter. Actually just my username here with dslextreme as the ISP. |
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OZO
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join:2003-01-17
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dslx_gm - thank you for replying.
said by dslx_gm :I assume that you have your domain registrar simply point all email received to your @dslextreme.com address. You're correct. See details below.
To get around the issue I would recommend that you setup a free Google Apps domain edition account.
And why do I need it now?
You can then forward all incoming mail received to that address to your @dslextreme.com account. All incoming mail would remain the same as your current setup. That's what I'm doing now with my old setup.
You could then use smtp.gmail.com with your username@domain.com for the settings. When you sent email through those settings the Google platform would see you as authorized to send. What? Why I do need any authorization from Google? Is Google a new authority in the Internet? I never needed it before DLSE has replaced good working plain email service with gmail.
Your domain and email address would therefore appear. It appeared well in my old setup with DLSE (BTW, without many sneaky records in mail headers, as it's now with gmail, see details below).
I have been using Google Apps in a similar fashion for my own domains for the past few months and have been very happy. Well, good for you. Check headers of your email then.
I used to run my own server. Though I had the advantage of hosting it in our data center, it is much less of a headache now to manage and I don't have to deal with updating spam and virus software on the mail server. Good. I may assure you that I do not need any SPAM and virus software additional to what I'm using locally on my computers. So that's not a problem for my setup. The problem now is how to bypass those extra SPAM and virus filters from gmail. And it looks like with the new setup it's not possible at all
I hope that helps. Thank you. What would really help is - if DLSE keeps its old SMTP/POP service running, as it did until now.
Now regarding to your proposal. Is there anything that I can do now WITHOUT Google?
Sending all emails - via Google SMTP server, receiving all emails only via Google filters (it can't be turned off) and Google pop account, searching Internet - via Google web servers... Now, to keep sending my mails from my domain you recommend me to setup a free Google Apps domain edition account. What else? Should I open new credit card account with Google as well? Do you realize where it leads to?
Up to this point I've never used myacc@dlsextreme.com in my mails. I have several domains and I use them for all my communications. I switched to DLSE several years ago and I keep my old mail accounts. If I'll switch from DLSE to provider that will not sell business to Google and provide with better connection speed (more then 6/700) - I'll not change my old mail accounts too. They are all ISP independent. That's the main point of this setup (and there are many other benefits, by the way).
How it works? (for those users who never thought about it) I've registered my domain name with provider. Domain name provider forwards all mails coming to my domain (e.g. myname@mydomain.tld) accordingly to my simple rules. One of them - forward specific mails to myacc@dlsextreme.com mail account. This way I receive all my emails for my domain. Now, how do I sent mails with my domain in "From" field? It was very simple. In my email client I've set two fields: "User Information" is filled with my domain info and "Logon Information" was filled with myacc@dlsextreme.com mail account info.
This setup was working well for many years (until this "exciting news" - all mail services were moved to gmail). And now gmail made it impossible Because the email service is broken I have to apply to Google Apps domain edition account. Looking at how gmail handles so called "additional email address" (they only changed visible "From" field and keeps 6 header fields with myacc@dlsextreme.com mail account - it's a joke, right?) I have absolutely no trust in gmail, and particularly in handling my domain by Google. Thank you. It'd be plain dumb to go this way.
Could DLSE keep the old mail service running?
I'm sure there will be a big pull of happy users...
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TE
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join:2006-05-07
Brea, CA
clubs: | WOW... I'm surprised this setup worked at all. It would seem that DSLX mail servers were mis-configured to allow you to send mail from your domain through them. Most mail servers do not allow relaying like this. |
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