Need router advice in Networking http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21138571 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:33:28 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:33:28 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184791 buggs1a : Yeah, I didn't really think about the 30 days.

I seen the online demo for the ddwrt whatever and it does look nice. It has something in there that looks like it's for bandwidth monitoring, but says in progress when trying to load it. So I can't tell anything by that.

We have 4 pcs, ps3, xbox, xbox 360 that we all use, plus 2 directv HD units with on demand. So software just won't cut it for telling us how much we use, it's got to be in the router.

The linksys and others sure don't have hardly any ram :(

Boy, i've got a lot to learn. I can't get kerio working at all. I got the modem and connected fine. kerio pc goes online, but not the lan. it gives out a dhcp, but nothing gets a valid ip to surf the net. i know i've set it up before and got it working, but that was a long time ago.

I do wanna learn tho and figure this stuff out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184791 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:50:28 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184483 anon : It's true it voids the warranty but you still have 30 days to return it if you bought from a store. You could just say it didn't work or the wifi range was weak. They won't go through and test it. Most likely nothing wrong would occur.

About bandwidth monitoring, I think the modified firmware can do this. If it can't, you could always do it on the pc's that do the most downloading. Gaming consoles are going to use a few tens of mb at most.

Best.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21184483 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:43:08 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21183700 buggs1a : Was told by comncast comcast business accounts do not allow you the use of the mcafee software. Also in previous versions years ago they didn't have any bandwidth monitoring except an extreme basic tells you only a couple things. So I wonder if they've changed that, but then it's still only for one pc not the whole lan.

The problem with linksys or any one to change firmware is that it voids warranty, :( Otherwise the third party firmware does look kind of cool.

I know right now i'm not spending anything. Can't. However I'm still looking for something. Meaning doing research and listening to feedback here etc. Then hopefully I'll have learned enough and found something to get.

In my previous post, that is at least what I'm leaning towards now. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21183700 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:05:53 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21183536 anon : buggs1a,

I didn't read the entire thread, but hopefully I can provide a little help. I used to use a lot of security software, mcafee firewall (does bandwidth monitoring also), webroot spysweeper, spybot, and a couple antivirus softwares. I found most of this is unnecessary. I uninstalled most of these from 2 computers this week and noticed a huge performance gain.

1) Any router will do the basic firewall for you. You don't need to install any software firewalls for any wired devices. If you really want, you can enable windows firewall. It doesn't slow down your computer and you don't need to configure anythings. It's easy. Only for laptops I would highly recommend a software firewall, incase you take your laptop on a trip and used wi-fi hotspots.

The Linksys GL looks good because it monitors your bandwidth and I read it's easy to change the firmware.

2) Anti-spyware - I used to use webroot spysweeper for many years and found it slows down all of my computers, no matter how new they are. It also bugged me a lot about scanning every 14 days with no option to stop the annoying prompts. I uninstalled it and instead installed windows defender. Again, I noticed a huge boost in performance. You may want to install spybot also and do a scan every 2-3 months, but I think this is unnecssary.

3) Antivirus - There's lot to choose from.

The bottom line is that you could buy a cheap router and used microsoft's free software for everything except anti-virus, so it might be easier than buying an expensive all-in-one solution. The all-in-one solution would probably Lagg your xbox 360 and ps3 gaming experience too.

You mentioned you're a comcast customer. That means in your subscription you can download the mcafee suit at no additional charge. I think it's 9 products like antivirus, antispyware, and firewall. I would recommend installing only the antivirus.

Just my 2 cents. I wanted to try to save you a bit of money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21183536 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:36:58 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21179457 buggs1a : I'm not wasting anyones time in that people have a choice of course, nor have I said I'm not willing to spend $. I can't even remember saying much about cost except maybe I use the word cheap or something, or under a few hundred I may have said.

I take everything into consideration except a couple things I know for sure. So I still don't know certain things.

Untangle does everything I'd like except a few things. Also it's been problematic etc.

i don't have the patience nor mentality to learn linux and make my own router firewall. That'd be near impossible for me.

I don't mind using a pc based firewall and use my dlink dgl-4300 for the wireless and couple things it does I spose.

So far what i've found that I do like is-
Endian, but no bandwidth info at all from the online demo. It's really cool I guess otherwise. No snmp either.

Untangle, but problems with it and not really a way to troubleshoot if anything goes wrong.

I've always liked Zyxel, but costly and no bandwidth quota info, but then the only thing that does that is-

Kerio winroute firewall. But it runs in windows, nuff said, yuk lol. Costly as heck too.

Sonicwall- WAY to slow and costly. I do like the UI that's for sure.

Smoothwall Corp Firewall and those products. They rock, but what a rip off!!!! The only reason these guys charge that much of a rip off is because they know they can get away with it since large businesses get that stuff. I even told them that and they agreed that's the only reason they charge a rip off price. I think this alone should be ileagle and it makes me despise them with a passion. It's pretty awesome though what those products can do. I've tried Corp Firewwall the last 2 versions and they're really cool I think. That and some mods added to it.

Not sure what else I think I'm interested in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21179457 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:54:18 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177194 Anav : Their input is based on knowledge and experience yours based on 'feelings' and hence their frustration. I suggest you stop wasting peoples times on a unit that does all that you feel you need because your not willing to pay the cost associated to get it.

I am not being negative or bashing, just truthful. What I do suggest is you spend some time learning linux and via a dedicated PC, program linux to give you all the capabilities you desire. It will take some time but I think in the end you will have near close to what you want, for nothing more than mostly your time and heck I think you will be quite proud of learning an new OS and developing your own solutions!!

Gluck!

(PS. Please don't tell anybody I was suggesting you start taking Penguin drugs, cause I may be forever kicked off the potential mod list ;-))

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Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla. Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner"

LlamaWorks Equipment]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21177194 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:56:36 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176699 buggs1a : It seems just cus I don't do what you say you'll bash me and put me down or be rude to me or judge me and then take off. I'm taking everything into account and giving input and feedback here. I might not like certaion things or well, just re read my apology and that says it all. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176699 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:01:06 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176477 tubbynet : right...a market of millions of users, hundreds of security/antivirus/firewall software choices, recommendations from *every* oem manufacturer...and all it does is provide system instability...
we'll see how stable your system is when some major bug or botnet pwns your system because of your lack of compromise :uhh:

as many others have stated - for what you are willing to spend, you will *not* find an all encompassing solution for what you want. you mention routers not "automatically" converting your bytes to kilobytes or gigabytes...
an actual person who would need that type of data *prefers* it in bytes: (a) its a pretty quick mental conversion (/1000, /1000000, and so forth ad nauseum). additionally, you don't know if the conversion utility is dividing the total bytes by a round number (i.e. 10^n, where n={3, 6, 9, ...}) or if it is dividing it by the actual *base 2* number that gives a *real* value {i.e. 2^n, where n={3, 6, 9, ...}). its a simple conversion and *not* a deal breaker.

as with ChiTang See Profile, i am done...

q.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176477 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:55:36 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176467 ChiTang : Well, eBay or not eBay, online stores vs local stores, it is your preference and I have nothing to add to it.

If you are not going to use the security features locally on PCs, then it has to be used globally (in a loose sense) at the router level, then the performance/bandwidth may degrade, it may become unacceptable for your standard/expectation. You are like a cat chasing its own tail, spinning in circle and getting nowhere.

From the bottom of my heart, I wish you are the next lottery winner and you can afford a more expensive/adequate HW solution to fulfill your dream.

I am done with this thread.
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i am not going to use ebay. i hate them with a passion as they are crap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176405 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:40:49 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21176138 ChiTang :
said by buggs1a See Profile :

got modem today, :) still not sure about what router to get tho.

if only i could sell my sonicwall tz180w.
Use the DLG-4300, put some software in local PCs and C how it goes. Check the speed to C if it is to your liking, if it is good enough, sell the sonicwall on eBay.
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if only i could sell my sonicwall tz180w.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21175949 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:14:06 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21163330 ChiTang : It is intuitively obvious that every packet passing through the sonicwall has to be "inspected" by the security features, overhead is going to reduce the throughput. There is no two ways about it. You have to make a determination for the trade-off (speed & security).

This is why is it cheaper/better in your situation to employ inexpensive/affordable HW (router that you already have) + SW (lots of freebies) on each client. With total cost $0.00, so that you can make good use of your government check.
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I used to be indecisive, now I am not sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21163330 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:26:44 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21162922 buggs1a : When every company posts throughput numbers it is with no security on unless noted and then the throughput lowers drastically. I used to have the Sonicwall TZ170w and it was only 3-4mb in speed with any of the security turned on, so i had it upgraded to this 180w which is only barely faster. I get maybe 5-6mb download speed with any of the security on. Like with Sonicwall if you turn on IPS yer speed drops a ton. AV is slightly better, but barely.

According to Comcast you can't have a router behind their gateway. If you do then maybe it has to be in a different mode, I don't know. Like bridge or something with it not doing any dhcp server or anything like that. I did try a few things and it never worked, :( Kerio support has yet to email me back, :(

Sadly the only thing I think that works is Untangle, but then it's problematic for me sometimes and doesn't do a few things. I say sadly cus I'd like something different.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21162922 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:06:12 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159357 ChiTang : There is no need to apologize, you have been very cordial and nobody is offended. It is natural to want what you want and want it the way you want it. Others are just trying to present you with other alternatives so that you may elect to accept/reject it.

According to the spec, sonicwall TZ180W is capable of 90 mbs throughtput and I don't see why you say it is too slow.

The reason why you couldn't make some of your gears to work may be due to:

1. misconfiguration
2. miscommunication with others instructions
3. the lack of flexibilities in Comcast modem/router unit.
4. etc....

Since you are going to have it replaced with a cable modem, until then, if you have a problem setting up your gears, keep us posted.

Good health.
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I used to be indecisive, now I am not sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159357 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:54:27 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158039 buggs1a : ok
I will admit that the Zywall 2+ seems ok for what it does/is.

Right now i'm running Norton 360 60 day trial on this pc i'm using now. I have mine in the shop and this one is a loaner till mines done. It's a gateway quad core system that rocks! It came with Norton 360 so I just enabled the 60 days on it. I don't think I notice any difference in performance of the pc and it has not caused me any problems. So it's possible to have that on the other pc and then use something like that Zywall 2+ as the router. Except I've got a Dlink DGL-4300 and SonicWALL TZ180W too. The DGL-4300 seems open and good for gaming, but doesn't have any security at all and then how the Sonicwall cost a ton for their security. But I could use the DGL router for wireless and then use a different unit for the router.

I want to let you all know that I truly do appreciate you guys. I know I am set in my ways and sometimes not open to other things, but I am very grateful for you all and want you to know this. And as I mentioned before if I say something rude or don't sound nice or something it's not on purpose to be a jerk. My ADHD and Tourette might get in the way at times. So I apologize to tubbynet and anyone else. I'm truly sorry :(

I posted a message about my current issue with Kerio on their own forum and emailed their tech support since I'm in the trial. Hopefully someone will be able to provide step by step setup for dummies info for me to help. Even after reading the links you posted tubbynet for subnetting etc none of them helped me to understand at all my particular case. Although they sure are a good step for me in the right direction. So I bookmarked the wiki for subnetting.

I realize I'm very picky and have I'm not sure what to call this. Where i want certain features. Not crazy, but kind of like oh yeah. I have maybe unrealistic expectations or wants. I just like what I like and want what I want. I have a hard time with compromise in anything in life. So it's like if I want a feature it's hard for me to let it go if I can't get it or have to pay a lot. I've always wanted to go for the best in anything. So i'd spend more on a higher end product etc. That's why I got into Sonicwall as a home user.

I've learned a lot over the years since I was in a computer technology class for 2 years back right when Win 95 came out. I started on Win 3.11 for workgroups and then got into Apple and used that till several years ago I got into Windows for gaming. Along the way i've been able to hold onto what I learn with compuyters pretty good. I am better with computers/technology then anything else. Most of what I know is from real world use and experience through troubleshooting, reading computer magazines etc or I just get it sometimes. There's a ton I don't know which is shown in here. I am very capable though that's for sure.

The last thing I tried with trying to get Kerio and that pc to work was putting for the lan nic a 10.x ip and 255.0.0.0 for the subnet and still didn't work. I am trying at least and am learning as i go.

Anyway, I just want to open up to you all, share with you and I want to try and be humble. I pray asking God to help me be humble and more soft.

Anywho. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158039 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:30:49 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157738 tubbynet : giggity. amen!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157738 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:37:23 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157658 ChiTang : I am going to be blunt, if you insist on getting what you want in the way you want it. There isn't a less than $1K solution (give and take, don't show me one that cost $750.00, the point is that there ain't a cheap solution).

I don't know why you can't use inexpensive HW + SW on client PC to accomplish your task. You only have a few machines, I have more PCs at my workbench than you and I am not worry about it.

I understand that HW solution is robust, fast, less maintenance but security is not a "set it and forget it" type of operation. Unless I have a ton of WS that I need the HW to take 95% of my workload away.
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I looked at CDW in the $100-$500 range and nothing was there that seemed ok. I hate Watchguard with a passion and I don't like how Sonicwall support is and how slow they are too. I've already got their TZ180W though.

The Zywalls seem ok, but I'd want to look at the UI/demo it and also I really don't like how they show download and upload amount in numbers only. They need to convert that to show 25k instead of just numbers and 50gb instead of whatever.

They do seem to have cool features overall. The Barracuda for a filtering/report device looked really cool.

Oh well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157563 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:07:48 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157435 ChiTang : 5 mbs is the lowest model, they have some that will do 20.

Link here: »www.barracudanetworks.com/ns/dow···s_US.pdf
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I used to be indecisive, now I am not sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157435 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:47:18 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157291 buggs1a : That Barracuda looks pretty awesome until I saw the 5mb performance lol. Then I was like UGH, lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157291 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:25:27 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153796 Anav : No it does not do AV, get over it. USe a free AV program and a free firewall such as avir av and comodo firewall. The 2plus can do the content filtering bit and yes if not doing VPN the Zywall 2plus can handle your throughput.

What are you afraid of???
You may want to look at getting a separate device.

»www.barracudanetworks.com/ns/pro···view.php
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Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins".
Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla. Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner"

LlamaWorks Equipment]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153796 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:52:01 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153673 buggs1a : The 2plus doesn't do AV though, :( Is there a demo for the 2plus I could check somewhere? I'd like to see what the UI looks like and can do.
Also can it support 16mb down and 2mb up with the security/filtering on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153673 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:52:15 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153634 Anav : As I stated previously, the zywall 2plus is all that you need. Let the router do the routing and not the modem. The zywall 2plus has the least expensive bluecoat filtering per year as well. It has 3 different zones you can easily setup that are DHCP serving and firewalled apart. That way you can put public stuff on one zone, your private LAN on another and use the third for relatives for example.
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Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins".
Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla. Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner"

LlamaWorks Equipment]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153634 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:24:28 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153327 buggs1a : I'm sorry you feel that way tubbynet.
tubbynet, instead of saying what you said why not try to help with where I went wrong or something or just not help at all?

I think I might know what i did. I might have confused the netmask and subnet for the other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153327 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:53:25 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153292 tubbynet : obviously you are missing something. the steps that i have given you will work. your segments need to be on different subnets. as i have said, you do not understand the principles of subnetting and network devices. without this knowledge or clear and concise posts explaining what you have done, i cannot help you. also, as was previously stated, you want an "all-in-one" device, but have not shown the networking aptitude required for the proper setup/configuration of such a device.

q.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153292 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:39:06 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153255 buggs1a : opendns looks cool.
I don't get it tubbynet as I did everything you said and it didn't work, so hmm.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21153255 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:22:46 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152984 tubbynet : what we have here is a failure to subnet...or understand the principles of networking...
buggs1a See Profile if you don't mind me saying so - you are asking for a *whole* lot of your router device and i am not quite sure of your abilities to configure such device...

additionally, you say that content filtering is a must - but have said that it is just you and your parents living in the same house. not sure why the content filtering is a *must*.

additionally, you may want to check out opendns...as i have mentioned in a previous post.

q.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152984 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:01:43 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152745 buggs1a : I was told that I can't add a router behind the gateway bwecause the gateway needs to be on a static ip not dhcp for the WAN. I don't know why this would have to be. The comcast guy told me i'm double nating and with a static ip i wouldn't be or something like that. I'm not totally sure. He then told me I need dhcp server off and firewall off in gateway. Then for router wan must be static 192.168.1.x and use the gateway ip 192.168.1.1 since that's the ip of the comcast unit. 255.255.255.0 for the subnet and for the dhcp part I did what tubbynet told me to do which is 192.168.2.x for the dhcp range and the ip of the lan router would be like 192.168.2.1. So when I went into the lan nic on my pc I did that. I could not use an ip for gateway on the lan nic as kerio winroute firewall gives an error when it opens up if both nics have gateway ip. it said only the wan should have that. then i would turn on my xbox receiving the same 192.168.1.27 ip that the comcast gateway gave it i spose. I don't know how that was even possible since the gateway dhcp was off and the dhcp in winroute was 192.168.2.x. I just am saying the comcast tech told me this won't work because i'd have to have a static ip or a modem only. I told him what I tried which is what tubbynet told me to do and it didn't work so the comcast guy said that about the static ip. So then I think it just can't work unless i got a modem only, but then part of me also thinks it should work fine by doing it the right way which maybe I didn't, I dunno. That/this is the only thing i'm truly lost with and then what router to buy I still don't know what I want.

The one thing i know I must have in the router is the content web filter based on a list of categories like the Zyxels use from bluecoat. I have to have that sort of content filtering in the router. That is a must. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152745 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:02:28 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152056 ChiTang :
said by buggs1a See Profile :

the gateway i have now won't work with anything behind it like another router etc. I've tried a ton of stuff and comcast told me it just won't work unless you have a static ip on it or a modem by itself.
You only mention static IP, never mention that part from Comcast tech.

The reason why you can't add stuff behind the Comcast modem/router may be:

1. Your added device has a lan IP conflicting the comcast unit.
2. The comcast unit has a small DHCP pool.
3. If #2 is correct, may be Comcast tech was trying to tell you to use static Lan IP for the devices and you mistook it as to buy a static IP from Comcast.

Anyway, you seems to know what you want and what to buy. As long as the router is ready when Comcast switch the unit, you should have any problem.

Please post back if you have trouble hooking them up.
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I used to be indecisive, now I am not sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152056 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:29:12 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21151741 buggs1a : I'm not confused and I don't take anything as Bible except the Bible itself. He told me what he did and didn't give me a modem. So I said that in here.

I'm not wanting to buy online since i'm not wanting to deal with shipping and stuff. If anything goes wrong then I can deal locally and get things done. If I found something online it would depend on what the device can do, the cost and where it is and how much of a hassle it is to deal with money back and shipping etc.

Talked to comcast today and what they did was the dept I talk to all the time says there is no problem and should be no problem with giving me my own modem no matter what the guy said who was here last time. they don't know why the guy and his own supervisor said no. So the dept I talked to got all their higher ups and supervisors to talk about this and straightened it all out. A guy will be here Friday 2-6pm. If he has any issues then he is supposed to call this guy directly that I spoke to today. That's what i'm sposed to tell them.

So once I get the modem I'll be able to get a router whatever one that would be i aint got a clue.

the gateway i have now won't work with anything behind it like another router etc. I've tried a ton of stuff and comcast told me it just won't work unless you have a static ip on it or a modem by itself. Because everything tubbynet told me to do i did and it didn't work. Comcast said it wouldn't work unless i had a static ip. So anyway I'm getting a modem friday and then just have to find a router now.

The smc gateway 8014 seems ok from www.smc.com and then there's this Zyxel gateway, but it aint been updated in 3 years or so so i don't wanna mess with it. Other then this I don't know still.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21151741 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:31:37 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21150993 ChiTang :
said by buggs1a See Profile :

Well, my sales rep at comcast told me they don't charge for the hardware on the account. So there's no rental fee for the gateway.
Look into the itemised ball and you may be surprised. May be these days, they bury the rental fee into monthly fee.

said by buggs1a See Profile :

Now if I could get my own modem then I'd want a gateway modem/router if it could do a few things like snmp and have the full list of features which of course it would being retail product not made for comcast.
You really are a die-hard fan for "1 picee of equipment has all the features in it".

You don't want it to be modem/router, find a router that suits you and it can be used for cable or DSL. A combo unit has less degree of freedom.

said by buggs1a See Profile :

The last comcast guy here said I could get my own gateway but it'd have to be able to work with Comcast for like comcast connecting to it to do static ip etc and that's why they give you the SMC gateway. That's what they support and that's what their tools are made for. I told the guy well, I'm not going to have a static ip ever so it doesn't matter. I see no difference in buying my own gateway or having comcast give me a modem only. He just said we're not supposed to give you a modem only. You must have the SMC gateway he said.
The Camcast guy is BSing you.
Why is it so difficult for you to accept others suggestion (software solution) but you took the Camcast guy's word like bible?

said by buggs1a See Profile :

Then last night I find you can't connect a router behind it unless you buy a static ip or use a modem only.

So you can see why I'm so teed right now.
I think you made a mistake in hooking the equipment. You don't need to buy a static from Comcast. Boy, you are confused.

said by buggs1a See Profile :

Also if I bought my own modem or router/gateway modem then I'd need to be able to get it locally at a best buy/circuit city type place and I don't think anyone local sells them. Yeah, they might sell a modem only, but i'd get a modem/gateway if it had the right features.
Do you buy online at all?
Does local retail stores sell better product?

Anyway. Good luck in finding one.
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Now if I could get my own modem then I'd want a gateway modem/router if it could do a few things like snmp and have the full list of features which of course it would being retail product not made for comcast. I know at least the one I have now the SMC 8014 at smc.com has some features I like and it even tells you how much you download and upload. Same model I have, just the one I have has had 99% of the features taken out.The last comcast guy here said I could get my own gateway but it'd have to be able to work with Comcast for like comcast connecting to it to do static ip etc and that's why they give you the SMC gateway. That's what they support and that's what their tools are made for. I told the guy well, I'm not going to have a static ip ever so it doesn't matter. I see no difference in buying my own gateway or having comcast give me a modem only. He just said we're not supposed to give you a modem only. You must have the SMC gateway he said. Then last night I find you can't connect a router behind it unless you buy a static ip or use a modem only.

So you can see why I'm so teed right now.

Also if I bought my own modem or router/gateway modem then I'd need to be able to get it locally at a best buy/circuit city type place and I don't think anyone local sells them. Yeah, they might sell a modem only, but i'd get a modem/gateway if it had the right features. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21150775 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:25:05 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21150498 cdru :
said by buggs1a See Profile :

Software on each pc is one thing I'm wanting to avoid. Possible software conflicts and the possibility of affecting pc performance even if only slightly. Plus I would rather not have to mess with going to each pc to mess with settings etc. This might sound stupid , but I prefer no software security and have it all built into the router/gateway. This is just something I prefer is all. Not saying I would not do that or don't right now, just I prefer or I should say, I like that idea better.
A security appliance isn't going to guarantee that it can block 100% of any viruses, spyware, etc. It also will do nothing if a user brings in a flash drive, CD, or floppy that's infected. And if any of those were to happen, the virus could easily spread around any internal computers.

If you are worried about management of machines, get a antivirus program that supports a corporate network with a central "server". It doesn't have to necessarily be an actual server, but just a machine that can control security, settings, and updates and push them out to the machines.

Also, someone above mentioned the free version of AVG. That's a no-no if you are following the EULA. The free version is only for personal usage, businesses and organizations, even non-profit/not-for-profit ones, are required to pony up for a paid license.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21150498 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:39:41 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21149315 ChiTang : If the hurdle is the cable company's modem/router, get a cable modem at eBay or retail store, return the unit to cable company and save yourself a few bucks on monthly equipment rental. You will have total control of your gears.
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I know it's not correct to double nat, so isn't that turned off in the comcast gateway? Isn't that what you do by disabling firewall and dhcp in the comcast gateway? I'm a bit confused on the have to be in a different subnet thingy cus I have connected a wireless router to my Untangle when I had it and didn't have to change the 192.x.x.x addresses. However of course the wireless router I disabled DHCP and so forth. So maybe that's why.

The comcast gateway gives 192.168.1.10-192.168.1.99 I think. I don't know how cus the dhcp is off in the comcast gateway as is the dhcp server. So how then can it still assign ips? See how having this gateway and not just a modem causes for me at least confusion?

I'm going to give it a shot what you said and i'm also going to look at those links to learn a bit here.

I guess nevermind on everything right now. I did everything you told me tubbynet and it did not work. lan still only got 169 addresses or 192, but no access to anything. Comcast told me you can't do this at all unless they sell you a static ip or modem only. Boy comcast is a pain in the ass. However the last guy here said they won't give out A MODEM only. So I have to call tomorrow and either make them give me a modem or i'm shutting them off entirely and no internet here anymore. F them I say.

Also i am totally done looking for any router or firewall since obviously nothing can do what I want. Or if it can it's a rip off. I'm mad as hell at comcast and at not having what i want in a router.

Sorry I wasted all yer time. I won't ask anymore questions here or anywhere else since it's pointless and a waste of time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21147805 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:29:05 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21147490 tubbynet : while Anav See Profile would be the best to consult regarding the zyxel devices, i know that for what you are looking at in the cisco line (which is what i am familiar with) you would need a cisco asa 5510 with the content security and control security services module (csc ssm). a quick glance of the features is available here:

»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···eet.html

for the ASA5510-CSC10-K9, which is for up to 50 users with a one year license, you are looking at $7195, not including smartnet, which covers all services and os upgrades on the asa itself (which is a worthwhile investment).
as i have said, its not a cheap investment.

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now, as for your network question:
any time that you will be adding a "router" device, you will need to change your subnets. while this can be a very in-depth process (more of which can be explained here - »www.subnettingmadeeasy.blogspot.com/), i will give you the gist of it.

now, since you are getting a 192.168.1.0/24 address from your comcast gateway appliance (referenced here-on-out as "the gateway"), you have the option of attaching 253 devices to this gateway (1.2 - 1.254). obviously, your gateway would crap out before it could get that high, but the principle stands.
now, you have the gateway to the computer-based router (referred to as "the router") setup correctly. you will want to ensure that the dhcp is off on the gateway and that you aren't filtering anything (you kinda are, but that can be covered in another faq).
now, you will need to create a different subnet on the lan side of your router (something like 192.168.2.0/24). you will want to push dhcp options to each of your lan clients in the form of

- subnet = 255.255.255.0
- gateway = 192.168.2.1 (assuming that you assign your router's lan nic that address)
- dns server = 4.2.2.2 (or comcast's dns server or opendns server, etc)

from here, each of your lan clients will connect to the router and then the router will translate the addresses from the 2.0/24 subnet into the 1.0/24 subnet for the gateway. the gateway will then translate the 1.0/24 subnet to the public ip address given to you by comcast.

what you are doing is running a "double-nat" setup (two devices will be performing network address/port address translation).
more information about network address translation can be found here: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_ad···nslation

several forum faqs can be found on this topic: »AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ »What is doubling NATing?
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations

there are a few others, but these are just to get you started.

q.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21147490 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:44:14 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21147304 buggs1a : Hmmm lol. Lot to think about. lol.

Let me start with this and then I'll do research on the ddwrt you mentioned and also I have a question now that I'll ask in a bit.

Since my comcast gateway won't give out a wan ip to anything attached then I have to set up pc wan porn static. I mentioned this in previous post. So can you all let me know if this sounds right? Please? Here's the connection how i think it'd have to go.

Comcast Gateway ip 192.168.1.1
Comcast gateway dhcp server off.
Comcast gateway firewall off.
That's pretty much what you turn off in it as far as I know. It's an SMC8014 gateway that Comcast gives you except Comcast firmware is terrible, not like what you see in the smc web site manual. Similar, but lots of missing features, :(

PC firewall/router. All this is in tcp/ip properties of the pc nic.
WAN nic 192.168.1.2 static ip.
Subnet 255.255.255.0
Gateway- 192.168.1.1
Domain server ???

PC LAN nic
Static IP of 192.168.1.3
Subnet 255.255.255.0
Gateway ????
Domain Server ???

DHCP server in winroute firewall
192.168.1.100-192.168.1.150 is the range.

Kerio winroute firewall says for LAN nic you put in the kerio pc ip as the gateway which would be I think 192.168.1.3. However when i loaded kerio it told me I can't have 2 gateway ip in the pc nics. I only can have one and that goes on WAN nic.

Well anyhow, I got the firewall online with the wan info, but no dhcp lan working.

That's where i'm at for now. Also this is the same I'd have to set up in any firewall linux based like pfsense etc. Once I can figure this out I'll be good to go temporarily. I am going to research the ddwrt.

Now my question is this.
Can you guys think of any one device no matter the cost that can do everything I'm asking.
The AV, spyware UTM stuff and the bandwidth quota info etc with and or without wireless? I'm asking because i've always wanted to find such a device just to look at it and see what it was like and costing. It also would be awesome to see the UI in how it looks and how it does the stuff. I like a lot of the Zyxels firmware GUI and features as well as from other brands. They all seem awesome except are all missing just a couple things lol. Mostly the bandwidth quota stuff. They all seem to do everything else for the most part. lol. It's like i'm sooooo close.

I don't mind at all buying a decent UTM, just have to save a while is all. But then of course cheaper is always better, in the pocket, :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21147304 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:57:13 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21146585 tubbynet : this is the premise of many "computer based" firewall systems. essentially, you have a pc with several nics installed. one of these network cards faces the internet while another faces the local lan. through the use of software (such as kerio, pfsense, m0n0wall, etc) or through the actual operating system (microsoft's isa server), it is possible to use a single computer as a "router" device. essentially, you would need to purchase a switch (rather than a router) and attach this switch to the "internal" network card of your firewall/server. from there, each of the client pcs will connect to the switch and will use your router/firewall as their gateway (this is exactly the same as if you were using a traditional consumer router with a built-in four port switch, just with a computer rather than an embedded device). this would give you a single entry/exit point for software such as du-meter, etc. however, unless your gateway software inspects otherwise, i'm fairly certain that you will need some sort of special "packet inspection" anti-virus, etc. as the router computer will essentially be "passing packets" and not actually analyzing each and every one. you will still need some sort of security-type software installed on each windows client machine, so you are really avoiding very little.

said by buggs1a :
I have not seen ddwrt lately though.


you may want to look at it. it has changed a lot since v23 which is currently running on my summer home's 1/128 dsl line.

said by buggs1a :
Possible software conflicts and the possibility of affecting pc performance even if only slightly.


take a peek over at our security forum (»Security). most of the people there are *very* concerned about security/performance/interoperability. poke around and get a feel for what is going on in terms of av software. i use the most current version of avg free in all of my windows xp virtual machines and i see *very* little performance degredation, especially when compared to the mcaffe suite that is installed (per company policy) on my laptop.

said by buggs1a :
This is just something I prefer is all. Not saying I would not do that or don't right now, just I prefer or I should say, I like that idea better.


obviously, there will come a time when you have to let go of your preference and make a compromise. as you have seen (and both myself and Anav See Profile have pointed out) all-in-one utm soltions are often very expensive and tricky to configure. you have given very limiting constraints (in terms of overall price). for your range, if it isn't open-source or free, you probably won't be able to touch what we are offering (or in terms of software, obtain *legally*).

just as an fyi - i am running a cisco 2811 isr with a full ips list, and a pix 515e running 8.0(3) code performing a full firewall suite and vpn termination and i *still* have anti-virus and anti-malware software on all of my machines (even my servers/test machines in virtual machines). it is just a good practice. you obviously can't prevent against everything and you don't want to kick yourself when your all-in-one solution doesn't catch that one rogue virus.

q.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21146585 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:58:22 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21146503 buggs1a : Thanks tubbynet. I like your nickname here. Yer avatar is cute and funny too.

I have some feedback on your suggestion and opinions.

Software on each pc is one thing I'm wanting to avoid. Possible software conflicts and the possibility of affecting pc performance even if only slightly. Plus I would rather not have to mess with going to each pc to mess with settings etc. This might sound stupid , but I prefer no software security and have it all built into the router/gateway. This is just something I prefer is all. Not saying I would not do that or don't right now, just I prefer or I should say, I like that idea better.

The bandwidth monitoring is not just for pc but other devices too such as DirecTV OnDemand, gaming and ps3/xbox 360 downloads and streaming radio from my xbox 1. So I have more then computers to think of too. That's why bandwidth info must be in the gateway/router. I actually own 3.5 version of Du Meter and I think it's pretty cool.

I'm also not so sure about buying a cheap router like a linksys and modifying the firmware which of course voids warranty and I could brick the device etc. I love that idea, just a concern I have and also how the firmware doesn't seem to do much of what I'm hoping for. I have not seen ddwrt lately though.

I looked at Zyxel web site and the manual for the 5/35/70 and I like the UI except it doesn't show bandwidth use in the correct way such as 20k, 5gb, etc. It shows number of bytes only leaving it to me to figure out what that means. That's the wrong way to show bandwidth info in my opinion. I really liked what they can do overall though. It seemed really cool. But then it doesn't mention anything about bandwidth quota either.

Endian right now has a nice UI except it doesn't show any bandwidth info at all. So hopefully they'll add that in a future update, but I doubt it.

Last night I actually got to try Kerio Winroute Firewall but since my comcast gateway is a modem and router I couldn't get the Kerio to work at all. I had to call comcast and they told me that I had to input for the WAN on the pc a static ip and then use the comcast gateway as the default gateway since the comcast would not send the pc a wan ip. Stupid cus I only want a comcast modem, not this stupid gateway and they won't give me a modem, they are making me have this stupid gateway. Well I got the WAN nic to work so the kerio pc was online, but then could not figure out the DHCP server settings in kerio so the lan would not work, I gave the dhcp server an ip of 192.168.1.11 and a subnet 255.255.255.0 and then for gateway i tried giving it the ip of the comcast and even the ip of the kerio itself. for dns i tried both too and still lan would not get working. So it'd be a lot easier with a modem only. I'm going to call comcast tonight again and try to get them to send me a modem only and then at the same time help me get this working with kerio until I can get my own solution.

Are there any firewalls or bandwidth monitors that go on a pc as a gateway/router? Like i've got my comcast and then could have a pc running bandwidth monitoring/security software and reporting and content filtering etc and all the data goes through that and then to/from the comcast gateway/internet. Kind of like if I used Smoothwall guardian . That's kind of what I mean. Except that the comcast gateway sucks in features and doesn't let you hardly do anything. So I'd still want to replace it lol.

Those are just some thoughts, ideas and opinions is all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21146503 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:31:26 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21145285 tubbynet : again, i feel that a comprehensive software/security solution installed as software on each client pc will be a much cheaper solution that something in hardware.

i've deployed several asa5520 firewall solutions. as an optional module, they had a trendmicro virus/email scanner/filter. while costing upwards of $20k each (they were in an active/passive failover setup), the modules themselves still *strongly* suggested that each client pc *still* have a software av solution.

the whole goal of a hardware solution is to reduce the overall burden of the internet network at the chokepoint (the internet gateway pipe) and to supplement the software solutions on each pc. since you are *not* running a large enterprise on your connection, the hardware implementation of your plans is really unneeded.

here is a breakdown of a good solution that will fit your needs:

- [router] wrt54gl --> (~$50 from newegg)
- [firmware] ddwrt --> free from ddwrt.com
- [antivirus] avg free version --> free from free.avg.com
- [antispyware] malware bytes --> free from malwarebytes.org
- [antispyware] spybot search and destroy --> free from safernetworking.de
- [content filtering] opendns --> simple default rules, more granular filtering can be achieved with a free account
- [bandwidth] du-meter --> since you can't have a pc on full time, install du-meter on each client pc and total your bandwidth when you feel you are close to your cap.

total cost is around $60 (shipping included) and you have a security solution that is better than what you could get in hardware at a fraction of the cost.

q.
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Untangle overall is the best/closest as it does everything except bandwidth quota info and how it for me at least, was problematic for some reason. It's not bad at all though overall.

A router is good in that I like the idea and want it all in one box if possible. Don't have the space for all the pcs that would be used if each did something differently. I don't mind using a router and pc at all. Currently I've got a Dlink DGL-4300 that's good for the wireless and gaming support, but has no security at all except this stupid bsafe content filter thingy.

So an example I guess would be using the dlink in the front right behind modem and then a pc with the security and bandwidth quota which I don't think anything does except winroute firewall. I don't know though.

SNMP is cool, except don't you have to have the pc on 24/7 to monitor the SNMP to collect the data? Like MRTG and those types of software need to be running 24/7 and we can't do that. I'm guessing it has to run 24/7.

Anyhow, do any of the Zyxels have bandwidth quota I'm talking? Is it possible for the 2plus to get 16mb down with all the security? Does it even do AV protection and all that? I don't know.

I've tried a wireless Cisco long ago that was far too complex and it was no security at all.

So right now I've got a pc that I can use for a router firewall on it along with my dlink DGL-4300 for wireless and gaming. I just need to find preferably a router or some pc based firewall that was good enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21143945 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:34:14 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21143428 tubbynet : my main question is, with all of the software available that will perform the same functions that you are desiring in a router device, why are you opting for a more expensive hardware solution?

typically, in an enterprise, these functions are implemented in hardware to try and remove some of the stress off the software solution or because the hardware will perform the functions faster than in software. however, each of the desired functions are separated. generally, on an incoming internet line, a router will be used at the edge. behind that an ips sensor will be placed transparently behind the router and in front of a firewall. another ips may be optionally placed after the firewall and in between any core switches. if enough money/desire is had by the purchasing enterprise, the firewall could have a packet inspection device that will perform antivirus/spyware functions, and inside the lan, websense (or something similar) is used for content filtering.

what i'm getting at is that to perform all of the desired functions in a single box is very expensive, and even then it will not do any one function very well.
for several hundred dollars (on ebay) a cisco 871w can be purchased. this provides a very good firewall inspection system and can run ips inline based on rules that are compiled from cisco. there are ways that this device can use regular expressions to filter content, etc. but i haven't implemented this feature explicitly.
another option is a cisco asa5505 (for about the same prices). the asa is a firewall device first and foremost. i am not quite sure about the ips features or the content filtering, but i have implemented many an asa5505 and everyone has been very happy about their performance.

as has been mentioned, it may be possible to use an open source software software solution to implement a router/firewall/ids/content filter/bandwidth monitor solution. however, this will require you to research and implement your solution. things to look at include m0n0wall and pfsense.

in my opinion however, i think that you would be very well suited running a wrt54gl with ddwrt. ddwrt allows for advanced tuning of the firmware of the wrt and it also supports snmp. using snmp, it is possible to monitor the traffic flow in and out of your router (which covers your bandwidth useage). it won't scale down your connection, but using your monitor, you may be able to keep that in check yourself. from there, if you implement a good antivirus/antispyware solution you will be doing the same thing as implementing everything in hardware and at a fraction of the cost.

q.
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To get performance at layer 7 is going to cost some coin. The new zyxel USG series can handle the services without a serious hit in performance which you do get with the others.
If your a business and have need of such services then surely the business should pay for them.
If your a homeowner thinking you need all that, you don't.

If your handy, you could probably run a linux box and provide yourself with reams of different features at little or no cost.

Sonicwall and a few other brands are built for business class machines but tend to be more affordable than the CISCO brand which is often touted as the standard or best.

Out of that lot I prefer Zyxel because there are no additional costs for support or firmware upgrades and the services are more cost effective than most others as well.
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LlamaWorks Equipment]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21142892 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:04:43 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21142845 buggs1a : I'm curious how come everyone here that mentions a brand says Zyxel? I am only curious, :) I like them, just curious.

I don't remember, but the Zywall 2plus doesn't have AV and all that does it? It only does the bluecoat content filtering I think, but then I'm not sure. I also don't know if it tells you the bandwidth use and don't think it has any quota feature. I would love to check out an online demo/firmware demo if that were possible to know what it can do and how it looks before buying anything.

I'm not sure with security turned on that the Zywall 2plus could achieve 16mb download speed or faster from the WAN.

I know my Sonicwall TZ180W does not have good speed with the security on. I might get 6-8mb download speed on the WAN with any of the security turned on.

tubbynet, there have not been many suggestions to me. Only 1 which mentioned ZyXel. I'm not and didn't shoot it down.

Ha, now it'd be awesome to have a demo of the GUI in the ZyXels.

Anyhow, thanks guys. I do appreciate everything here even if I may sound negative or bad attitude/manners. I don't do it nor mean anything on purpose. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21142845 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:50:23 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21141808 Anav : The zywall 2plus, 2wg, 5, 35, 70 and the newer USG series can all easily handle your business speeds (the lower models assuming no VPN traffic). If I were you, I would look at the zywall 2 plus, not too expensive but no wifi.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21141808 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:54:53 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21140592 tubbynet :
said by buggs1a :

I am however totally open to suggestions etc.
there have been many suggestions offered. you have shot them down due to monetary issues. you can *want* all the features in the world. the only kicker is that you have to *pay* for them. obviously if you can't afford some of the options that have been mentioned here, you either need to accept the inadequacies of the solution that you *can* afford or do without altogether.

said by buggs1a :

Possibly cus I haven't tried much to dig into it yet.
any solution that you purchase will take time and effort to configure. again, the more features that are added to a device, the more configuration that will be needed. there isn't a "three click setup" option for utm devices, or any advanced firewall/router solution for that matter.

we have a cabling contractor that always says "nobody gets nothing for free". obviously, if you excuse the bad english, its true. if you want something, you have to pay for it - plain and simple.

q.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21140592 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:23:41 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21140506 buggs1a : Yeah, ZyXels are too slow and too costly, the low end being slow. I've tried Untangle. Free and does what I like except a couple things. It's problematic though and too hard to troubleshoot when something goes wrong. Possibly cus I haven't tried much to dig into it yet.

Kerio Winroute firewall i think pretty much does everything i like except it's $500 plus software that runs in windows, yuk.

I've got a sonicwall tz180w that is too slow and too costly. plus when i got it it never worked until they released new firmware that took them months, so that ruined my return chances. and i never used it since cus it's too slow and doesn't do a couple things.

So I've no clue yet, :(

The connection is only $89/month and it's my parents. I'm 33 yet living at home from having tourette syndrome and adhd plus depression and some other stuff. Anyhow just fyi I spose. :) We had the 8mb/2mb residential and went to business cus of the 250gb cap. I'm going to pay the difference in cost with my gov check I get per month.

Anyway I've tried a zywall 2 way back and liked it at the time except it is far too slow today and they stopped supporting it so i returned it for a refund way way back then many years ago. it was my first security appliance and i liked it a lot at the time.

the one thing nothing does that I've seen is bandwidth quota like winroute firewall does. I want to set up a limit and once reached slow the internet down and email me. So I'd set it for as an example 200gb in a month and then once reached email me and slow to say 2mb or whatever. I am just talking an example.

It sucks that things I'm asking about seem to not exist or if they do several thousand $$$$. I also know not a single ZyXel product can do what I'm asking regarding the bandwidth info/quota. At least I've never seen anything and I've even looked at an online demo for one, but I forget if it was the 5, 10 or 35 or whatever that is. But ZyXel is way too much for home use even if I might like some or all of the features.

I am however totally open to suggestions etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21140506 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:21:10 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21139106 Anav : You can afford a business account but dont have too much money? The router at least is a one time payment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21139106 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:57:58 EDT Re: Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21138599 broccoli : What you are looking for is a UTM appliance. Usually these are aimed at the corporate level so it's unlikely you'll find something that's both good and cheap. The lower-end ZyXEL UTM boxes are around $700 which are really not that expensive for what you get.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21138599 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:06:13 EDT Need router advice http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21138571 buggs1a : I was curious if anyone knows of any router that has built in security such as
AV protection, spyware/IPS, content filter blocking certain categories, bandwidth report such as telling you how much you upload and download on yer connection on like a day, week, month etc.

I've got a Comcast 16/2 business account and need to get a good router, but don't have much money.

ZyXel too much $.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21138571 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:00:19 EDT