Re: OK EFF in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21140469 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:04:18 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:04:18 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156740 anon : For more information about this suit and some legal perspective, visit:

»www.atelier-us.com/e-business-an···mericans]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156740 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:53:10 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21141408 Noah Vail :
said by insomniac84 See Profile :

said by Noah Vail See Profile :

I can't find anything in Obama's past that would indicate that he might give up power. I can't think of any change he's put forth that wouldn't take an increase of government power to have it come to pass.
I guess you don't have access to google. one link provided for your laziness
So you consider a reference to instituting a New AG Investigation on the White House a reduction in government power?

Perhaps in BO's world and yours it is.

NV
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said by Noah Vail See Profile :

I can't find anything in Obama's past that would indicate that he might give up power. I can't think of any change he's put forth that wouldn't take an increase of government power to have it come to pass.
I guess you don't have access to google. one link provided for your laziness]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21140559 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:53:37 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21140469 Noah Vail :
said by insomniac84 See Profile :

Obama might give up the power. McCain will expand it. Take your pick.
I can't find anything in Obama's past that would indicate that he might give up power. I can't think of any change he's put forth that wouldn't take an increase of government power to have it come to pass.

NV
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said by insomniac84 See Profile :

It's not entirely a slap in the face as long as he advocates returning to a system of warrants. A lot of damage could have been done if every American was allowed to sue AT&T. When you look at the list the eff is suing, "President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Cheney's chief of staff David Addington, former Attorney General and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and other individuals", it's not that big of a leap to imagine AT&T being able to legally claim they were forced into it somehow. They could have been threaten with actions against them in other areas or with documents that by law cannot be publicly acknowledged.
So in conclusion, Obama is our best chance at returning to a system of warrants. And McCain would try to ensure less actions required warrants. So take your pick.
That doesn't explain why AT&T also paid for the DNC.

This is entirely contradictory to what you're saying, and this is by his actions, so there's no reason to believe he'd save people's rights in this case. None whatsoever. Entirely to the opposite at that. Especially when the NSA is part of the executive branch and, being President, you really think he's going to give up that power?

Nope, it rests entirely on the courts to uphold the Constitution since neither Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin will.
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Conservatives love religious-like aphorisms so here's one: "Freedom isn't free. It's Made in China."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21139203 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:16:43 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21137536 insomniac84 : It's not entirely a slap in the face as long as he advocates returning to a system of warrants. A lot of damage could have been done if every American was allowed to sue AT&T. When you look at the list the eff is suing, "President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Cheney's chief of staff David Addington, former Attorney General and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and other individuals", it's not that big of a leap to imagine AT&T being able to legally claim they were forced into it somehow. They could have been threaten with actions against them in other areas or with documents that by law cannot be publicly acknowledged.
So in conclusion, Obama is our best chance at returning to a system of warrants. And McCain would try to ensure less actions required warrants. So take your pick.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21137536 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:54:37 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21135069 Blackened :
said by N3OGH See Profile :

said by battleop See Profile :

IRS audits in 3.....2.....1
Clearly would have been seen as retaliatory, concerning he voted for the Telco Immunity bill at the time he was a front runner for the Presidency.

No, the real answer is that Obama is the same as all the rest of them. People just haven't realized it yet.
Indeed. Obama dealt a major slap to the face of any logical person who may be illogical enough to vote for him. Many liberals also forget it was Clinton who signed the federal Defense of Marriage before they praise him as one of the best.

Bush should have been impeached years ago for his treacherous acts as President, and thrown in jail, along with his cohorts Cheney, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, etc. Goes to show how more useless this political system is becoming which allows these politicians to be bought by the rich and screw everyone else. Some suggest this is a Democracy, some a Republic, but I suggest it's more like corporate socialism / corporate oligarchy disguised as some sort of system to benefit the people to prevent them from rebelling.

At any rate, hopefully EFF wins this case and the ridiculous illegal wiretaps are done away with and FISA is reverted to a previous version in Congress, while Mark Klein is written in our history books as a hero who decided to take the path against both big corporate-run government and big corporation at the same time. The most important part is it's the right decision even though some idiots will be calling him a traitor. He's indeed a hero and he has my praise and support, as well as the EFF in this case.
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Conservatives love religious-like aphorisms so here's one: "Freedom isn't free. It's Made in China."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21135069 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:11:03 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21133153 MyDogHsFleas :
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

The presidency was a guarantee for (Obama) if he would have stood up and openly declared what the FISA bill really entailed.
oh HA AH AH HA HA

stop you're killing me]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21133153 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:59:53 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131916 N3OGH :
said by battleop See Profile :

IRS audits in 3.....2.....1
Clearly would have been seen as retaliatory, concerning he voted for the Telco Immunity bill at the time he was a front runner for the Presidency.

No, the real answer is that Obama is the same as all the rest of them. People just haven't realized it yet.
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Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power…]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131916 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:33:56 EDT Re: OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131749 battleop : IRS audits in 3.....2.....1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131749 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:08:03 EDT OK EFF http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131724 Noah Vail : I'm with you on this one.

It was never OK to monitor every US Citizen's web traffic in order to catch a few bad guys.

This time, I'll admit the Republicans and Conservatives are on the wrong side of the issue.

Of course so is Barack Obama.

The presidency was a guarantee for him if he would have stood up and openly declared what the FISA bill really entailed.

What, do you suppose, did it take to make him give that up?

NV]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21131724 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:04:58 EDT