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gwbuffalo join:2001-12-08 Mokena, IL ·Comcast	Re: FAP and CAP said by bobjohnson : What is the issue with the biggest providers wanting to cap and such... I don't understand the reasoning behind it, didn't they say that 1% of their customers are causing the bandwidth issues.. That's exactly the reason. It's 1% using a massive amount of bandwidth so the caps make the other 99% happy.
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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA	Re: FAP and CAP Then why FAP? Caps should be enough to keep those heavy users "under control". Or conversely, FAPping keeps the traffic flowing for non-heavy users at all times. One or the other. Both aren't necessary for network management.
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Then why FAP? Caps should be enough to keep those heavy users "under control".

But until they hit their cap, they could make life miserable for other people on their local node and slow their uploads. And that is why there are caps and a QOS scheme as well.
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Then if they have a FAP, why cap? The FAP accomplishes by itself what they're claiming (their claims haven't been substantiated) is necessary.

IOW, if the goal is to insure fair access and smooth sailing for all users, the fair access policy by itself accomplishes that. But it doesn't matter. The corporate kissasses and cable shills will excuse anything Comcast does, whether justified or not.

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espaeth Digital Plumber Premium,MVM join:2001-04-21 Minneapolis, MN ·voip.ms ·Vitelity VOIP ·Callcentric ·VoiceStick ·ViaTalk ·Comcast ·Embarq	Re: FAP and CAP said by Dogfather : Then if they have a FAP, why cap? The FAP accomplishes by itself what they're claiming (their claims haven't been substantiated) is necessary. The FAP takes care of point in time congestion concerns. The CAP is still useful to make sure that people don't force the requeuing to constantly go into effect.
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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA	Re: FAP and CAP That's irrelevant. The traffic shaping is always in effect. The only difference is who is traffic shaped and who isn't. If you have a FAP, a cap is totally unjustified.
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That's irrelevant. The traffic shaping is always in effect. The only difference is who is traffic shaped and who isn't.

First off, it's not really traffic shaping. If you're a heavy user and you get tagged into the best effort class, your traffic will only be impacted so much as light users are trying to get packets on the network. If you're a heavy user, the channel is getting busy enough to start to implement the tagging, but never actually reaches a point of saturation, there is no impact to anyone's traffic.

Second, this isn't in effect all the time. I suggest you re-read the technical details of the proposal; the requeuing only takes place when the channel reaches a near congested state. The overwhelming majority of the time there is no action taken at all by the system.

It's the solution for 2 distinct problems: reduce the impact by chronic heavy users (CAP), and reduce short term bottlenecks that can occur during times of peak demand (FAP).

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That makes zero sense.

The FAP alleviates network traffic issues for casual users. If there is no congestion, then no cap is warranted. If there is network congestion, the FAP is all that is warranted.

IOW, the FAP reduces the impact of chronic heavy users if they're impacting other users and the FAP reduces the impact of extended use during periods of peak demand. The FAP is all that is needed. Caps are unjustified if you already have a fair access policy in effect. If chronic heavy users aren't affecting other users then it shouldn't be a concern.

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Comcast just wants to spend less time upgrading their service and more time counting their cash. Sorry TK but this is just wrong no matter how I look at it.

I feel for you comcast users out there, you guys are truly worse off then the dsl users everywhere else. I'd suggest you switch since this means you'll be at dsl like speeds most of the time anyway.

To the comcast poster, i love how you AVOID all the bad posts and go for the 1 pro comcast post. Show's how you guy's handle customer feedback as well. Thanks for giving the finger to all the other feedback we give on here.

I did like comcast at one point, but that's all in the past now.

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Eat Me join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ	Re: FAP and CAP And you'd think with FiOS eating their lunch they'd want to retain customers!
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said by gwbuffalo

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That's exactly the reason. It's 1% using a massive amount of bandwidth so the caps make the other 99% happy.

Except that's a lie.

Some of these ISP's are saying 5GB is enough, or 20GB, or 40.

That's way more then 1% now, and it's going to be a lot nearer to 100% as video usage grows.
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not me 2 @comcast.net	Re: FAP and CAP Agreed. Comcast is pushing their Fancast site a lot in the past few weeks. That's a site where you can see all sorts of shows from the various networks in high quality. If you have a number of members in your family it's very possible that you could cross the 250GB barrier if, say, you have a few teenagers that are into watching various TV shows off the site.
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Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA	Re: FAP and CAP Who knows...Fancast may be magically excluded from their caps. This rush to caps has always been about defending their own video revenues (either things like Fancast or PPV VOD) from video competitors like Nextflix, Microsoft, Amazon and Apple.
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said by gwbuffalo

said by bobjohnson

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What is the issue with the biggest providers wanting to cap and such... I don't understand the reasoning behind it, didn't they say that 1% of their customers are causing the bandwidth issues..

That's exactly the reason. It's 1% using a massive amount of bandwidth so the caps make the other 99% happy.

Which, obviously, is bull.

dont be fooled by these companies.

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