 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | Fugly Like I said in an earlier thread, that home screen is atrocious. It looks like a bad mashup of Google Gadgets and iGoogle. Even the phone looks like it was culled from an early 90's electronics stack. What's with the MicroTac looking greyish-black plastic and early 80's buttons?
Yuck. No wonder they only released this on the smallish T-Mobile.
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | But at least they are free of the 'jail' of Apple's iPhone.
Linux platform will be a good thing.
Hopefully I could get this with a console, SSH, X11, etc.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by en102:But at least they are free of the 'jail' of Apple's iPhone. Linux platform will be a good thing. Hopefully I could get this with a console, SSH, X11, etc. I would imagine you can. You can do all that on a WinMo phone now. My original thought still stands. As of right now, I'd only choose this if there were absolutely no other smart phone options. The phone has no compelling features and is on the smallest GSM network.
I think that lacking any app store oversight is going to fracture the market just like the Linux market currently is. Linux does a lot of things well, but continuity is NOT one of them. I can't wait until the malicious apps start arriving too.
While I'm no Apple fanboy (and I generally loath them) monitoring and approving the apps in the app store is completely necessary.
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| said by Matt:I would imagine you can. You can do all that on a WinMo phone now. My original thought still stands. As of right now, I'd only choose this if there were absolutely no other smart phone options. The phone has no compelling features and is on the smallest GSM network. Any data to back this up?
said by Matt:I think that lacking any app store oversight is going to fracture the market just like the Linux market currently is. Linux does a lot of things well, but continuity is NOT one of them. I can't wait until the malicious apps start arriving too. While I'm no Apple fanboy (and I generally loath them) monitoring and approving the apps in the app store is completely necessary. Maybe you would want to read this story about how Apple really has no rules set in place for apps for the iPhone.
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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| said by ptrowski:That blog is a bit inaccurate. Pandora doesn't compete with the iTunes Store as you can't store the songs you are listening to. It's streamed. And why would Apple squash Pandora when you can go right to iTunes from the application? Weak argument. Nope, Apple is holding back a few applications because they do not like them.
I also know of at least one application that is free but very buggy (it has locked my friend's iPhone multiple times.) It is called Flashlight and when it shows an animation of a lighter, it tends to freeze the entire thing. Guess they didn't test that app too well. 
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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| said by moonpuppy:said by ptrowski:That blog is a bit inaccurate. Pandora doesn't compete with the iTunes Store as you can't store the songs you are listening to. It's streamed. And why would Apple squash Pandora when you can go right to iTunes from the application? Weak argument. Nope, Apple is holding back a few applications because they do not like them. I also know of at least one application that is free but very buggy (it has locked my friend's iPhone multiple times.) It is called Flashlight and when it shows an animation of a lighter, it tends to freeze the entire thing. Guess they didn't test that app too well. Will there be problems with 3rd party apps? Of course. At least people will be free to develop them without prior permission. You missed my point.
They used Pandora as an example, which was flawed for the reasons I stated. I have Flashlightand am looking at the lighter right now, and have never had a lockup on that.
Yes some apps will slip through the crack and I am sure Apple is holding some back for various reasons.
But to use Pandora as an example was piss poor.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:said by Matt:I would imagine you can. You can do all that on a WinMo phone now. My original thought still stands. As of right now, I'd only choose this if there were absolutely no other smart phone options. The phone has no compelling features and is on the smallest GSM network. Any data to back this up? Any data to back what up? That you can do SSH/X11 on a WinMo phone?
»www.google.com/search?client=fir···e+Search
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| said by Matt:said by moonpuppy:said by Matt:I would imagine you can. You can do all that on a WinMo phone now. My original thought still stands. As of right now, I'd only choose this if there were absolutely no other smart phone options. The phone has no compelling features and is on the smallest GSM network. Any data to back this up? Any data to back what up? That you can do SSH/X11 on a WinMo phone? » www.google.com/search?client=fir···e+Search Any data to back up the smallest GSM network? |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by moonpuppy:Any data to back up the smallest GSM network? Are you seriously trying to say their GSM network is larger than AT&T's? Or are you fishing for a pointless technicality by pulling some regional carrier out of your ass?
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Matt
Smallest GSM (GSM = a good thing!) network is probably Commnet, or Centennial. SoCal T-Mobile coverage is VERY good.
There are very few appealing WinMo phones right now that offer both WiFi and 3G. HTC Tilt is one (QVGA only  ) and HTC Diamond is the other.. but its on Sprint - no ease of SIM card use there, and Sprint isn't exactly my carrier of choice.
Tilt apps were also VERY slow.
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Matt
SSH can be done... PuTTy (Pocket PuTTy) exists.
I have run SSH on my Nexthell (ugh) Blackberry 7100i.
X11 is most likely not available.
Easier to run Remote Desktop and connect to a remote server running X11.... but a nice thing to have for work.
Port forwarding over SSH is a requirement for me though.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by en102:SSH can be done... PuTTy (Pocket PuTTy) exists. I have run SSH on my Nexthell (ugh) Blackberry 7100i. X11 is most likely not available. Easier to run Remote Desktop and connect to a remote server running X11.... but a nice thing to have for work. Port forwarding over SSH is a requirement for me though. I use zaTelnet Pro for SSH.
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Amen brother. Your preaching to the choir.
Small steps my friends....small steps. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to Matt
Then install Linux. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to en102
You wouldn't want to run X11 over a cellphone connection. X Windows sucks in general because of its bloat and many layers. Use VNC. Its tolerable over EVDO/3G. Your handset's CPU is more important for VNC than your 3G connection's speed. I found I had to overclock my PDA to use VNC at any reasonable speed. |
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I've typically used the following combo:
SSH --> server (tunnel X11, Remote Desktop, 8080, etc.)
Remote Desktop (127.0.0.1:3389)
Remote server runs the X11 session.
Site/servers don't use VNC (policy).
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Matt
There are only 2 national GSM networks.
Much like there are only 2 national CDMA networks (Alltel isn't a national carrier by definition, and will become one with the borg that is Verizon Wireless soon).
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said by Matt:said by moonpuppy:Any data to back up the smallest GSM network? Are you seriously trying to say their GSM network is larger than AT&T's? Or are you fishing for a pointless technicality by pulling some regional carrier out of your ass? I am not saying anything. I want to see the hard data. Anyone can make claims. I am interested in clear evidence of who is bigger and reaches more people. |
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said by en102:There are only 2 national GSM networks. Much like there are only 2 national CDMA networks (Alltel isn't a national carrier by definition, and will become one with the borg that is Verizon Wireless soon). Soon to be one if Sprint continues on their downward slide. |
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