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<title>[WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset in World of Warcraft</title>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><b>Sithra</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As for loot councils.. well if 6 similarly geared people have been waiting 6 months for a drop, who do you choose?   </div>In this situation you roll.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:50:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><b>Sithra</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  drew <A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Rolling for useful and/or non-outdated items is awful for a guild. All it does is hinder progress when gear is a huge challenge. How many times have you seen some once-a-month raider win some roll on the first time you've downed that boss or the first time the caster staff dropped out of 15 kills and your 4 casters all need it?<br> </div>We've had a loot council/roll system for everything that's ever dropped in TBC, never had a problem, but then we don't have anyone that raids once a month, everyone raids more or less the same.<br><br>More often than not the loot councils job is done for them by people comparing gear amongst themselves and passing for each other. As part of the rogue team we already know who's going to win what before it drops, or who's going to roll, speeds up the raid a bit.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:49:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21229293</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : If you're well liked you get to raid the most.  Raiding is supposed to be fun, not work.  Getting to go more often is a good thing not a bad thing.  At least that's the way I looked at it.<br><br>If someone only gets to raid once a month, then I've already got the best of that deal.  Gear is just something that gets me into more raids, I don't care if someone else gets it as long as I still qualify for the next one.<br><br>Besides I've never had an issue with rolling for my gear, either I get it or I don't, but usually if I raid enough I'll get enough stuff to progress.<br><br>There were quite a few times when I saw a person that could really use a piece of gear lose to someone who didn't really need it.  Sometimes that was the difference between them being able to progress to the next raid, and while the person that won had every right to bid I felt bad for the person that lost.<br><br>As for loot councils.. well if 6 similarly geared people have been waiting 6 months for a drop, who do you choose?  I don't care how honest they are, the person they like most wins unless there's a situation where one person could use the drop significantly more than another.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:38:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21229060</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : Under what scenario does DKP favor the favorites? If you raid the most, you have the best chance at getting loot. The sooner you pick up the item, the higher the cost as the bidding will be fierce.<br><br>Loot council works well with honest people.<br><br>Rolling for useful and/or non-outdated items is awful for a guild. All it does is hinder progress when gear is a huge challenge. How many times have you seen some once-a-month raider win some roll on the first time you've downed that boss or the first time the caster staff dropped out of 15 kills and your 4 casters all need it?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21228794</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : We switched to DKP about a year ago when we were finally done with Kara.  I don't particularly like the system, it's incredibly anal and it favors the favorites.  Only loot councils are worse in that regard.<br><br>I don't see what's wrong with sticking with rolling for gear, with a few provisos.  Prior to DKP we simply had a rule of 1 epic per raid unless no one else wanted the drop.  The only exception was tier tokens, everyone relevant would get a shot at those.  Throw in something for seniority, like being a guild member for a month before you can roll on something, and you're set.  Hardly perfect, but it is reasonably fair.<br><br>To me going on a raid was something I enjoyed doing.  I don't really have much time for people that think getting to have more fun than someone else means they should get more loot.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:14:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21227163</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><b>Sithra</b></A> : Ah, DKP, there's your problem.<br><br>14 months ago is still 8 months after TBC release, so people hoarding honor now are going to be buying S5 in June 2009, OH NO!<br><br>If people are still stuck in the first raid dungeon at that point I don't see how a bit of help with some welfare will hurt.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:36:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224937</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sithra <A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The S1 gear they first allowed you to purchase with honor was definitely good enough for at least 4 heroics and most of Kara.<br><br>The veterans and vindicator filler items can be better than some of the drops from SSC or TK.  It depends on your class and what you already have from your main set of PvE gear.<br><br> </div>What is this nonsense? All those items were not available for honor initially, and by the time they were, anyone who wasn't too busy drooling on their keyboard had cleared Karazhan and didn't need them anyway.<br> </div>Nope, 14 months ago I had 2 x S1 and used them in Kara, specifically the helm and shoulders for my hunter.   What you did was something called Arena.  After doing 10 or more Arena matches each week, you were awarded something called Arena Points.  These could be used to buy S1 epics.<br><br>Getting these replaced with better meant winning the role on prince and bidding more than 10 DKP on a marginally improved T4 token from Maulgar.<br><br>On the other hand my belt, bracers and boots were only bettered by the crafted belt from the SSC/TK pattern, the bracers from Leo and the boots from Solarian.<br><br>Loot Reaver's shoulders were of course a major upgrade.<br><br>But the point remains.  If you were still doing Kara in January, as many guilds were, you could buy better than Kara drops with honor.  Not full sets of PvP gear, that would never work once you left Kara, but if you picked the 2 or 3 items that were good for your class, then you could save your DKP for decent drops from T5 raids.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:41:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21222729</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Graytooth13 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1569480"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>People really do that?  Let's say I get a 1650 rating and then quit, reroll.  Will I be matched up against 1500 rating and near teams?  This sounds like it would make arena a lot easier.... /plot<br> </div>Eh, for folks at 1650, I really doubt there would be much "easier" to it. You remake the team and then fight back up to the 1650 (presumably), and you really don't get any more points for your trouble. Maybe some laughs, but that's about it. Hell, you could even fare worse potentially.<br><br>The problem stems from those who achieve 2000, 2200 ranked teams, then play in new teams to get their jollies out of trainwrecking the beginning bracket. They either play in a different team (ie. their breadwinner is the 5v5s, they grief the 2v2/3v3s), or they simply have everything and are playing just for laughs.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:58:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : As it currently stands now, yes that's what would happen. And that's precisely the issue that Blizz is hoping to fix with this "persistent rating" structure they're going to implement. <br><br>I for one welcome the fix and hope it actually works. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:28:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1569480"><b>Graytooth13</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by AB_Lazy :</small><br><br>... They're constantly rerolling just to troll the lower brackets for jolly points, quitting, and rerolling...<br> </div>People really do that?  Let's say I get a 1650 rating and then quit, reroll.  Will I be matched up against 1500 rating and near teams?  This sounds like it would make arena a lot easier.... /plot]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:13:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [WotLK] Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21221516</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><b>Sithra</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The S1 gear they first allowed you to purchase with honor was definitely good enough for at least 4 heroics and most of Kara.<br><br>The veterans and vindicator filler items can be better than some of the drops from SSC or TK.  It depends on your class and what you already have from your main set of PvE gear.<br><br> </div>What is this nonsense? All those items were not available for honor initially, and by the time they were, anyone who wasn't too busy drooling on their keyboard had cleared Karazhan and didn't need them anyway.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:46:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : Just to add to  thrillhaus <A HREF="/useremail/u/920798"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>'s post:<br><br>4) They sell Personal Rating services while playing in the 3v3 or 2v2 brackets. Or, if they're fully Arena geared (or their points bread-and-butter doesn't come from 5s), they'll sell/level people's PR/points up by composing a 4x Full Season 4 rewards team, with the team purchaser in tow. While the player purchasing the run gets what they've paid for, it strips points away from legitimate Arena teams attempting to level through the ladder system.<br><br>Honestly, if you can't think of a single reason why full (or nigh-full) S4 rival/gladiator/etc. teams could exist, then you must be trying to look the other way. It isn't a large stretch of the imagination to see that there's quite the healthy demand/market for repeated steamrolling reroll teams. Be they for laughs, or for money, it's the honest player attempting to skill up that gets screwed in the end.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:18:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/920798"><b>thrillhaus</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  brandon <A HREF="/useremail/u/793276"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The best players don't camp out in the lower brackets because they want to.  They do because they're looking for new partners, creating new teams, whatever, to get to 2050, 2200, and get a gladiator title at the end of the season.<br><br>Spend two seconds thinking about the motivation for staying in the low brackets for a person with high-level gear.  There is none.</div>Ok, you spend 2 seconds thinking about it then :P<br><br>1) They get their points from their 5v5 (generally). This is Blizzard's "serious" bracket.<br><br>2) This allows them to spend their time in 3v3 (and a lesser extent in 2v2) beating up on other players, frequently in the form of triple DPS. Now a healer in 3v3 surviving triple DPS when they have full S3/4 gear is pretty much nil. Obviously there's some things that healers can do to survive this (pally bubble, etc), but there are ways to negate those as well.<br><br>3) Why spend your time in 3v3, 2v2 brackets beating up players when you don't get anything out of it? Wait, you know what they're getting out of it? Self satisfaction. It's the same basic principle as ganking: taking advantage of weaker players.<br><br>edit -- BTW, out of curiosity, what battlegroup are you in?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:05:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  brandon <A HREF="/useremail/u/793276"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They do because they're looking for new partners, creating new teams, whatever, to get to 2050, 2200, and get a gladiator title at the end of the season. </div>Because clearly their 1700/1800/2000/etc. team of before isn't able to restart with new members and/or strats...right?<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  brandon <A HREF="/useremail/u/793276"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Spend two seconds thinking about the motivation for staying in the low brackets for a person with high-level gear.  There is none.</div>Again, maybe this isn't your battlegroup, but many of us have experienced it - many of these teams are simply griefing teams. They're constantly rerolling just to troll the lower brackets for jolly points, quitting, and rerolling. Otherwise, please explain to us why the full S4 teams (ie. not missing a single piece) are being matched up to folks just trying to break 1700, or even 1600?<br><br>Yeah, I'm really sure the full S4 team called (LOL QQ More), or whatever, are there just for the points.<br><br>Reading the whole post/thread helps sometimes in understanding the content inside.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:01:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/793276"><b>brandon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This will actually put epic gear out of the reach of 90% PvP'rs permanently as they simply don't have the ability to beat the best players.  The ability to beat the best players is exactly what will be required, as these people have a tendency to camp the lower brackets for easy kills.<br></div>I stopped reading right here.  I'm tired of this fundamentally stupid theory.<br><br>The best players don't camp out in the lower brackets because they want to.  They do because they're looking for new partners, creating new teams, whatever, to get to 2050, 2200, and get a gladiator title at the end of the season.<br><br>Spend two seconds thinking about the motivation for staying in the low brackets for a person with high-level gear.  There is none.<br><br>You get less arena points, so you can't continue to get better gear.<br><br>You can't get the weapon without 2050 personal and team.<br><br>You can't get shoulders without 2200 personal and team.<br><br>You can't get gladiator without being even higher.<br><br>What's the motivation to stick around in the low brackets?  No one is doing it intentionally.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:01:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  kywirelessgu <A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>As far as the question as to why the Savage Gladiator set requires arena points, there needs to be a set of gear obtainable through arena points that requires no rating, otherwise there's simply nothing for a player of 1500 or below to play for, beyond the hope that they might at some point go above 1600 rating (which not everyone is guaranteed to do).<br><br>It's certainly valid to express one's dislike for the arena playstyle, although is it entirely different than requiring players that love the arenas to play in the battlegrounds to get their boots, belt, bracer, rings, neck, trinkets, and cape? One could also make the argument that it's somewhat similar to the fact that we "require" all players to level-up in order to participate in end-game content, or perhaps that engaging in tradeskills is "required" to be maximally competitive in raiding or pvp gameplay.</div>Great. Looks like Blizzard learned nothing. Guess we're just riding in the same failboat into S5.<br><br>(edit) NM, guess I got discouraged halfway through the post:<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  kywirelessgu <A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>We&#8217;re also doing what we can to address the fact that players that don&#8217;t have high ratings can often still get steamrolled by highly rated players that are starting new teams, helping friends, etc. As I&#8217;ve described in another post, we have plans to keep a persistent &#8220;under-the-hood&#8221; rating for all characters that is used for determining matchmaking, so that even if a highly rated player starts a new team (or joins another low-rated team), the system will know what opponents that team should really be playing against. </div>Blizzard, your "under-the-hood" system had better be friggin' amazing at release. I really doubt I'll stick around another arena season for them to address core system flaws festering over from TBC.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  kywirelessgu <A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Of course, I realize that the subject of "skill" is another topic of debate on its own, with many players citing gear quality and team comps as factors in determining the outcome (some seem to go as far as to imply that it's all that matters). Clearly, those factors do influence the outcome, but not in a way that makes skill irrelevant.</div>You gotta be friggin' kidding me.<br><br>Blizzard, please explain to me how someone starting arenas now in Blues/S2 mix can "out skill" a full S3/4 opposing team? I'd love to hear this one. Unless the other team is spanktastically retarded (which, evidenced by the rating reqs on their gear, probably not), I really doubt your start up gear's gonna last. Gear *will* carry another team to winning when the match is stacked that much with the odds against you.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:33:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  drew <A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>AB, you're usually pretty level headed, even if I totally disagree with you sometimes.<br><br>But don't you see the HUGE problem with that?<br> </div>Oh I do. That doesn't mean I'm not one to capitalize on it, especially if everyone else is going to do so. I mean, crap man, I'm playing a rogue. If I'm not trying to get the upper hand on other players, then I'm not playing my class right. :D<br><br>I don't justify Blizzard's logic. However, I am obligated to play by their rules.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:28:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><b>kywirelessgu</b></A> : Here is a post from kalgan explaining a few things...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=19142.0" >www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=19142.0</A><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>I'll do what I can to explain what our philosophy has been on the topic, for better or for worse. ;]<br><br>To address the point of not having access to any pvp gear before attempting to start arenas, I don't actually feel that's accurate. We've made a point to include easily craftable pvp gear of dungeon quality to give players a chance to get their feet in the door before moving along the upgrade path.<br><br>The Savage Gladiator set is actually of item level 200s (superior), equivalent to the item level of a heroic instance. So, in much the same way that you might expect a player to first gear up in normal mode instances and get a handful of ilevel 187s items before proceeding to the heroics, the philosophy is that in the pvp case players will get the 187s crafted pvp items before attempting endgame pvp activity.<br><br>In addition, players have access to ilevel 200e (epics) for the boots, belt, bracers, ring, neck, trinket, cape exclusively through honor (equivalent item level to end-boss heroic instances, nax 10, or items from the Emblem of Heroism vendor). These items, combined with the crafted items, provide a pretty good base of items from which a player might make an entry into the arenas.<br><br>At that stage, the number of arena points required for a player to get a piece of Savage Gladiator equipment is tuned to be pretty generous. Even at a significantly sub-1500 rating, a player can generally get about a piece of the Savage Gladiator set with the points from one week (10 games), which is generally about a time investment of less than an hour of arena play per week. This seems to stack up very competitively with how long it might take running heroic instances to get a piece of gear for your character.<br><br>As far as the question as to why the Savage Gladiator set requires arena points, there needs to be a set of gear obtainable through arena points that requires no rating, otherwise there's simply nothing for a player of 1500 or below to play for, beyond the hope that they might at some point go above 1600 rating (which not everyone is guaranteed to do).<br><br>It's certainly valid to express one's dislike for the arena playstyle, although is it entirely different than requiring players that love the arenas to play in the battlegrounds to get their boots, belt, bracer, rings, neck, trinkets, and cape? One could also make the argument that it's somewhat similar to the fact that we "require" all players to level-up in order to participate in end-game content, or perhaps that engaging in tradeskills is "required" to be maximally competitive in raiding or pvp gameplay.<br><br>We&#8217;re also doing what we can to address the fact that players that don&#8217;t have high ratings can often still get steamrolled by highly rated players that are starting new teams, helping friends, etc. As I&#8217;ve described in another post, we have plans to keep a persistent &#8220;under-the-hood&#8221; rating for all characters that is used for determining matchmaking, so that even if a highly rated player starts a new team (or joins another low-rated team), the system will know what opponents that team should really be playing against.<br><br>That being said, the fact that some players feel there is too much emphasis on the arena as a method for getting powerful endgame pvp gear is heard and understood. We'd love for players to be able to get high-end gear from the battlegrounds, and it's something that will definitely factor into our plans for the future. However for now, we don't have a way to measure "skill" in a battleground in a way that getting the "best" items in the game through battlegrounds would feel equitable when compared to what is required as far as co-ordination and success in pve to get items of equivalent power.<br><br>Of course, I realize that the subject of "skill" is another topic of debate on its own, with many players citing gear quality and team comps as factors in determining the outcome (some seem to go as far as to imply that it's all that matters). Clearly, those factors do influence the outcome, but not in a way that makes skill irrelevant. If that were the case, it wouldn't be very hard to step onto the stage with some of the pro-gamers in the tournament and take them down in a match of even gear and comps. However, I can assure you that while I consider myself (for example) a pretty respectable player when it comes to arenas, I and a pair of similarly skilled teammates probably wouldn't win more than 1 in every 100 games against the top players despite using identical gear and comps. Like it or not, that's skill.<br><br>That aside, it is important for me to point out that the arenas were never really meant to become quite as much of a focal point for the overall pvp game as they have (part of why we set the system up so players could get the full benefit from the system with only 10 total games per week), it's more of a natural consequence of the fact that because we have a way to measure success that feels reasonably balanced against pve, we're able to put high-end items there, which on its own creates the focus of importance. I'd venture to say that if there were no item rewards in the arena system, they wouldn't be quite the subject of debate that they are now (either with respect to overshadowing battlegrounds or with respect to the microscope that class balance gets put under as a result).<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/920798"><b>thrillhaus</b></A> : Ah, I don't recall reading anything about that. Entirely possible I missed it, though :)<br><br>As far as the honor reset  then no reset... I'm pretty indifferent. I have a lot of lvl70's who have a lot of badges (most of them from lvl60). I was a little bummed that I'd be losing them, but I was going to buy epic gems and give them to alts that I do play. When Blizzard retracted the honor reset, I was happy that I got to keep my marks.<br><br>So either way, I don't really care. Helps people like me that have a lot of alts with lots of marks, though :)<br>But it would have been nice for a completely even start. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:22:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><b>kywirelessgu</b></A> : I'm pretty sure I read somewhere they don't have plans to raise the cap. I can't find it now, but I'll keep looking.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:18:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/920798"><b>thrillhaus</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  drew <A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>AB, you're usually pretty level headed, even if I totally disagree with you sometimes.<br><br>But don't you see the HUGE problem with that?<br> </div>It's very well possible they'll raise the honor cap after the expansion is released and the 75k saved will be, say, only half of what you need ;)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:14:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : AB, you're usually pretty level headed, even if I totally disagree with you sometimes.<br><br>But don't you see the HUGE problem with that?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:52:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : I dunno about you, but for my rogue, I plan on using my saved honor points to buy level 80 weapons the moment after I ding. I'm sure 75k will allow people to buy a 2H, or 2x 1H weapons.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:36:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1142276"><b>Tehuno</b></A> : nice of them to change their minds the day after i blow 36k honor on my rogue..freaking blizzard sometimes i swear. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:35:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><b>kywirelessgu</b></A> : from what I understand the pieces are going to be alot more expensive than they are now. 75k may only get you a couple pieces. There also won't be full sets available, so you might be able to get like rings and belt and boots and neck for honor but the rest will require arena points.<br><br>Please correct me if i'm wrong, they are changing info so much right now it could change anytime.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:18:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1448336"><b>Alexoi</b></A> : so, in other words, I can save up the honor points that I have now to get level 80 pvp gears? That will be nice. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:16:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : Heroic badges at 70 are different for heroic badges at 80.<br><br>So how many you have saved up really doesn't matter, except for holding onto them and purchasing nethers and the like from vendors about a year into WotLK when they'll be wanted for enchanting and other crap.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:56:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><b>kywirelessgu</b></A> : They aren't resetting honor or marks anymore...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wowblues.com/eu/honor-not-resetting-5963151026.html" >www.wowblues.com/eu/honor-not-re&middot;&middot;&middot;026.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:40:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1448336"><b>Alexoi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>No, it wipes before the expansion.  It doesn't wipe on the day of the patch, you do have time to spend your honor and badges..... </div>Wait a minute, don't tell me heroic badges will be gone as well.  Please confirm.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:36:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : The S1 gear they first allowed you to purchase with honor was definitely good enough for at least 4 heroics and most of Kara.<br><br>The veterans and vindicator filler items can be better than some of the drops from SSC or TK.  It depends on your class and what you already have from your main set of PvE gear.<br><br>If you can withstand a drop in mana or hit rating because the rest of your gear compensates for this, you can easily get away with 2 or 3 pieces of PvP gear.  Especially if they significantly increase your primary damage/healing stats.<br><br>The problem is when you have nothing but BG drops.  This means you have no hit rating, your mana will be too low and your spell damage or attack power will be too low.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:30:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1574034"><b>uvray</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sithra <A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>How good do you expect the honor gear to be? The honor gear available for freshly dinged 70's in Jan 2007 was useless. This will be no different.<br> </div>Useless? Hardly, a lot of those honor pieces were head and shoulders above the matching blues. For instance on my druid, the best shoulders achieved by questing are not as good as the Dragonhide PvP shoulders you could buy with Sha'tar rep. The S1 shoulders were obviously even better.<br><br>Unless your guildies are dragging your ass through heroics the moment you hit 70, those pieces are far from useless.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:47:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><b>Sithra</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  drew <A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Wow, you're really not picking up on it... at all.<br><br>Those who are after PVE BoE gear are going to have to farm most of the mats themselves. The high-level materials are dropping from heroics which require 5 to run. Plus, there's only one and you've got a 1/5 chance of winning the roll. Also, there isn't going to be some huge amount of spare materials on the AH due to EVERYONE trying to farm mats for their professions. This will change fairly quickly after the server matures to 80, but not a week after release.<br><br>I don't care that Joe PVP has more time to devote to WoW. What I do care about is that Joe PVP front load his time IN OLD CONTENT to buy gear FOR NEW CONTENT. No one else can do that. It's a broken system.<br> </div>How good do you expect the honor gear to be? The honor gear available for freshly dinged 70's in Jan 2007 was useless. This will be no different.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:15:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Garbs <A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmm, persistent rating system .. wonder what this means .. <br> </div>I really hope it means what I think it means. Blizzard fixing arenas? Hell yes.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:01:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : Also looks pretty certain that October 14th will be patch day.  Wonder if all the new gear will disappear with the honor reset.  Quite frankly I'd prefer it the other way round if it does.  It takes 2-3 weeks to get 75K if you've got 2-3 hours a day to spend on WoW BGs.  That's nothing compared with the time it takes to get max level and attuned for raids.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:51:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : Other news released today ... <br><br>"Official Blizzard Quote:<br><br>We&#146;re currently planning to end the fourth Arena season on October 14, 2008, and as always -- this date could easily change. This Arena Season is only ending in respect to the ladder, meaning we'll be taking a snapshot of the season's ladder and then go through our normal process to determine who is eligible for the end-of-season rewards. This process should take approximately one week. It's very important for players who feel that they may be eligible for the arena-specific title and/or Armored Nether Drake to refrain from transferring their character to another realm between the date outlined above, and when the end-of-season rewards are physically awarded. <br><br>Upon the end of this Arena Season, teams and ratings will not be wiped, and will carry forward allowing players to earn points each week and purchase gear until the launch of the expansion (November 13, 2008)"<br><small>--<br>Low Self Esteem Support Group will meet Thursday at 7 PM. Please use the back door.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:23:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : Anyone else see this today, from Blizzard:<br><br>"Official Blizzard Quote:<br><br>There will be a new, persistent rating system that should keep top-rated players facing other top-rated players, regardless of the bracket in which their current team sits. We'll have more information to come on this soon."<br><br>Hmm, persistent rating system .. wonder what this means .. <br><small>--<br>Low Self Esteem Support Group will meet Thursday at 7 PM. Please use the back door.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:22:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : In the end I think it'll be similar to S4.  The difference will be all epics have a rating of some kind, but the blues will remain rating-free.  That's just a guess of course.<br><br>When BC arrived and with it season 1, the Marshall's set was available to anyone who could earn sufficient honor.  But they also had to earn reputation with each of their 3 PvP factions.  The exceptions where the rings and pendants.<br><br>That was a far more fair system of slowing down the accumulation of additional epics outside of the main Arena items.  It wasn't perfect of course.<br><br>The other thing is Arena already had a mechanic in place to stop lower skilled players from getting full sets of gear before the end of a season.  You simply couldn't earn points fast enough unless you got into the higher brackets.<br><br>I think most people would much rather see arena points reset to 0 at the start of a new season, than have everything put permanently out of their reach.<br><br>Skilled players would be the only ones that could get full sets of gear and still have enough time to use it all.  The rest of us would end up with most armor by the end of the season, but perhaps no weapons and therefore skill would continue to play a major part in the reward system.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:23:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1534189"><b>awesome</b></A> : I've been hearing they are putting arena ratings on EVERYTHING at level 80.  That would be disastrous in my opinion.  People who don't like arena or people starting out late (slow levelers) would be completely crippled even more so than they are now.  I really hope this is not the case.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:47:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : Hardcore players will be earning new specialised mats from raids probably before I reach lvl 80.  I expect by the time I reach 80 most of them will have already made whatever they want from whatever patterns they have.  Mostly these guys want drops rather than crafted gear, so from then on everything they earn will go on the AH.<br><br>So yes, from my experience with SSC and TK and the 10-15 nether vortexes my old guild sold every week, I don't think that by the time I reach 80, getting hold of them will be much of a problem.<br><br>Does this change what you're saying.  Not really.  Earning your gear in advance is something that has always been a bit unique to PvP.  But as I never really placed much value in that gear, and as I knew that eventually I could get the very same stuff if I chose, then it didn't bother me so much.<br><br>I'm far more concerned about things like Arena ratings, which adds a further handicap to lesser skilled players such as myself.  High skilled players can get full sets of gear, and in this case that will pit their lvl 80 epics vs my lvl 80 blues.  An even bigger disparity.  And that's on top of their skill advantage.  I'll have to play them because they'll earn their Arena pts fast enough to be camping the low level brackets in full sets of gear before I even reach lvl 80.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:10:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Not really.  You're making one hell of an assumption.  You're assuming that the only thing you'll need is honor and tokens from old BGs.</div>And you truly believe there's not going to be a single piece of gear at release that costs only marks (from old world) and honor? Get real.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>You completely missed what I was saying.  You will at the very least need to earn a new arena rating AFTER the expansion arrives.  But you'll also have to earn new tokens from the new BG(s).<br></div>For some gear, yes. Not all. See above.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>And nothing will be BOP in terms of mats.  So yes, I'd fully expect to be able to buy my way to full set of crafted gear with nothing but gold if that was something I was interested in, because that's how many raiders make their gold.  They sell BOE pattern drops, BOE crafted gear and BOE blue materials.<br> </div>Yeah, except THAT AINT HAPPENING A WEEK AFTER RELEASE. That's my bitch about it. The moment the first people hit 80, they'll be able to purchase SOME PVP rewards. The problem with this is that they, very likely, earned little or no honor and no marks from the moment they stepped into northrend until they hit 80. They progressed in NEW CONTENT with REWARDS FROM OLD CONTENT.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:53:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : Not really.  You're making one hell of an assumption.  You're assuming that the only thing you'll need is honor and tokens from old BGs.<br><br>You completely missed what I was saying.  You will at the very least need to earn a new arena rating AFTER the expansion arrives.  But you'll also have to earn new tokens from the new BG(s).<br><br>And nothing will be BOP in terms of mats.  So yes, I'd fully expect to be able to buy my way to full set of crafted gear with nothing but gold if that was something I was interested in, because that's how many raiders make their gold.  They sell BOE pattern drops, BOE crafted gear and BOE blue materials.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:41:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Dropper <A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As for WoW being a level playing field, there's no such thing.  That went away with the introduction of Arena ratings.  Since then, only the very best or those willing to pay for the assistance of the very best could get a full set of the best armor and weapons.<br> </div>Actually, that was the *very* allure to Arena when it started up in S1/2. Joe Player and Jim Awesome (okay, name needs work) could both enter into the system, but Jim Awesome would get the uber rewards first and foremost, but Joe Player would slowly crawl his way through the rewards (or maybe not even be able to make the full set before the season ended). It was only in S3/4 that implimented the failboat Personal Ratings system in an attempt to encourage more active arena/PvP play.<br><br>I dunno. Am I the only person who got more of a kick out of Arena when it was "for fun" in S1/2? I just seemed to run into a lot less griefers/rerollers/whatever. People at the entry level bracket really were...entry level. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : Wow, you're really not picking up on it... at all.<br><br>Those who are after PVE BoE gear are going to have to farm most of the mats themselves. The high-level materials are dropping from heroics which require 5 to run. Plus, there's only one and you've got a 1/5 chance of winning the roll. Also, there isn't going to be some huge amount of spare materials on the AH due to EVERYONE trying to farm mats for their professions. This will change fairly quickly after the server matures to 80, but not a week after release.<br><br>I don't care that Joe PVP has more time to devote to WoW. What I do care about is that Joe PVP front load his time IN OLD CONTENT to buy gear FOR NEW CONTENT. No one else can do that. It's a broken system.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:38:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : Complaining that someone can get more from WoW if they're able to put more time into it doesn't really make sense.  You could say the same thing about PvE gear.  If you can play WoW 24/7 of course you can get stuff faster than someone that can only play a few hours a week.  I know of no way of stopping that.  You can accumulate more materials to make crafted gear, you can run more heroics to get badges, you can spend more time in raids to get tier drops.<br><br>If you want an actual PvE equivalent to storing honor, then simply saving up gold is exactly the same as what you're talking about.  What about buying a full set of crafted gear because you did a bunch of dailies and gathered enough mats to make 10K gold before the expansion arrived.  Someone who only has an hour or two a day couldn't compete with that.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:33:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : Again, you're reading into things. I didn't complain about getting arena gear.<br><br>I'm specifically saying that any 'honor only' gear available for honor and marks <b>only</b> should not be able to be purchased the moment some tool hits 80 a week after release.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:33:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : They won't be able to get any Arena gear from honor.  It'll be back to how it was in Seasons 1 and 2.  They might get the equivalent of the old Marshall's set, but they certainly won't get epic chest armor, leg armor, head armor, shoulders and gloves.<br><br>As for WoW being a level playing field, there's no such thing.  That went away with the introduction of Arena ratings.  Since then, only the very best or those willing to pay for the assistance of the very best could get a full set of the best armor and weapons.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:21:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : It has nothing to do with PVE progression. I never claimed otherwise.<br><br>The issue is really with those who enjoy PVP, but don't make it their 24/7 WoW activity. Those who AREN'T going to stock up marks and honor.<br><br>The issue comes down to how PVP in WoW is only a semi-fair playing field for all of maybe one arena season. After that, there's a huge gear disparity. They're speeding up the process by allowing those who do nothing but PVP all day every day to continue to AFK AV and cap out on honor so they have a leg up on a lot of others come LK.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:17:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21198115</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  drew <A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>How is this fair to non PVPers? Or more casual PVPers who want to get a fresh start in LK?<br> </div>Clearly, you're supposed to continue AFKing and/or cannon-fodder feeding in AV (or whatever) until you hit honor cap, duh.<br><br>...and for those saying honor rewards will suck at 80, well...they have to start somewhere. If you weren't around for the beginning of S1, there was a time where blues were the "2nd best" gear upgrade for a lot of items/slots. S5 honor rewards (ie. first level 80 season) will likely be on par w/ heroic drops, like TBC was at release.<br><br>Haven't seen anything on Personal Rating requirements and/or Arena revamps. (other than the new arena maps...which doesn't really change much) As much as I love the PvP gear reset, I can definitely empathize for those who're late-comers to the PvP scene in WotLK...especially if it's just more-of-the-same of S3/4.<br><br>(edit) And I'm pretty sure a fully-honored gear level 80 player will be able to kill T7 geared players, easy. Even with PvP blue gears, T4 was pretty damn squishy compared to people in the honor blues. (at that time)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:15:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : Well they won't exactly be able to do that because any gear worth having, i.e. gear that is of any use outside of PvP, will require an arena rating.<br><br>This will actually put epic gear out of the reach of 90% PvP'rs permanently as they simply don't have the ability to beat the best players.  The ability to beat the best players is exactly what will be required, as these people have a tendency to camp the lower brackets for easy kills.<br><br>Besides even epic PvP gear is of no use to you if you're a PvE player.  It'll get you through the lowest lvl raid and a few heroics, but it won't have the supporting stats to enable a pvp-only geared player to do anything above entry level raiding.<br><br>No guild I know of would have taken a battleground equipped toon into anything beyond Kara.  You simply wouldn't be effective enough to warrant a place.  If they did, then these people would be permanent weak links until they got PvE gear.<br><br>Just because a piece of gear apparently has equivalent or better DPS and healing stats doesn't mean it can last the distance in a 8-10 minute boss fight.  You'll either run out of mana, won't land enough hits or your main damage stats will actually be too low.<br><br>Physical DPS gear for example is low on hit rating, low on intellect, low on attack power but high on critical hit.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:10:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : There is no other mechanism within WoW other than this horribly broken system in which you can bank and purchase gear in the expansion.<br><br>All new Crafted BoEs are going to use Northrend only materials.<br><br>How is this fair to non PVPers? Or more casual PVPers who want to get a fresh start in LK?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:58:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/662972"><b>ggmorton</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  quickbeam <A HREF="/useremail/u/820001"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>No more honor/token reset.  Posted on blue post on mmo-champion.com<br></div>This was the total right thing to do. There were and are better ways of disallowing people to use this honor at level 80 for buying PvP items. All this reset would have done is punish people for playing PvP the way they wanted to play.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:55:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : The reset was just cosmetic at best.  If you had your gear prior to the reset, then you'd have nothing to spend any extra honor on until you reach 80 anyway, by which time you could easily have maxed it all out again.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:54:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : Also, looking at the listed undocumented changes to druids, they totally totally over-nerfed the Regrowth Glyph.<br><br>Another thing.. I hereby nominate this for the most useless glyph:     * Glyph of Aquatic Form - Increases your swim speed by 50% (up from 20%) while in Aquatic Form.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:39:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : Way to cave into the asshole PVPers Blizz. Thanks.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:37:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/820001"><b>quickbeam</b></A> : The level 80 items will be "significantly more expensive" so I wouldn't worry about it too much.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:47:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527136"><b>Sithra</b></A> : The honor rewards at 80 will be crap anyway, honor has only ever been useful since arena gear has been available for honor, when we start hitting 80 we son't be able to buy arena gear like now.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:46:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1534189"><b>awesome</b></A> : Not woo hoo in my opinion, boo hoo.  Caving to complaints is really what Blizzard is best at.  Even when the complaints are unfounded.  <br><br>This is a bad move for multiple reasons.<br><br>1)  People had already spent their honor/tokens on fluff items like mounts and tabards.  They wouldn't have done that if this hadn't been announced in the first place.<br><br>2)  This only benefits people who horde their honor & tokens.  It doesn't create a reset at 80, which I believe is needed to even the playing field.  It forces a playstyle upon people if they want to be competitive.  Resetting enabled me to concentrate on other things I wanted to do, now I have to do BGs if I want to come out of the gate with the same competitive advantage as others.  <br><br>I started playing WOW in May of 07.  I hit level 70 around November 07 if I remember correctly.  I know very well what it's like to start out behind everyone else.  By the time I got around to 70 pvp, everyone had their arena gear (that had no ratings for them, but would soon have ratings for me) and BG gear.  I was very much looking forward to my leveling speed being my only limiting factor at 80.  That is no longer the case.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:39:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/820001"><b>quickbeam</b></A> : No more honor/token reset.  Posted on blue post on mmo-champion.com<br><br>WOOOHOOOOO]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:15:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : Excellent, thank you for the clarification, Dropper. I guess it's all AV all the time this weekend, woot!  :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:03:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : "According to Blizzard Poster Eyonix, the developers have decided to reset all honors points before the launch of Wrath."<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.getbuffed.com/getbuffed/news/?action=view&unid=832" >www.getbuffed.com/getbuffed/news&middot;&middot;&middot;unid=832</A><br><br>No, it wipes before the expansion.  It doesn't wipe on the day of the patch, you do have time to spend your honor and badges, but the reset is prior to the release of the expansion.  My guess is the Tuesday before since it will require server maintenance of some kind to implement.<br><br>edit<br><br>My suggestion that I would buy up everything I could on the day of the patch was based on the thought I would like to use these things prior to leveling, that is have at least a week or two of being able to make the most of them.  Not because I thought everything would disappear the next day or the next hour or something as ridiculous as that.  I reckon other people feel the same which is why I suggested other people do the same and spend whatever they want as soon as the patch arrives if those items are things they're waiting for.  Hey it's AV weekend at the moment, even a casual player ought to be able to grab enough honor for a 20K cloak over the next 3 or 4 days.  Do your christmas shopping early and avoid the rush :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:38:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : Correct, that was my understanding as well. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:54:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1142276"><b>Tehuno</b></A> : its not gonna wipe with 3.0, 3.0 will introduce the new items.  it will wipe on nov 13th. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:50:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : I don't think it's prior. My understanding is the reset will occur when the xpac launches. Do you have a link to the literature where it describes the reset prior to the expansion?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:48:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : Honor, marks, arena pts, all gone PRIOR to the arrival of the expansion.  That means you'd be well advised to get on with spending the lot as soon as the next patch is implemented.  If it takes 4 weeks before we get a new patch, that leaves two weeks until the expansion and the reset is described as being before that.<br><br>If you use a macro to include your trinket use with your main spell (ie. steady shot on a hunter, perhaps hemo on a rogue) you can easily get maximum use from the bloodlust / beerfest trinket.  That's how I did things on my hunter, I've yet to make an equivalent macro for my rogue.<br><br>If I have the 30K honor after buying my cloak, then most likely it'll go on the crit trinket first.  If I'm maxed at 75K I'll get both, earning the extra 5K in less than a day.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:12:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1559920"><b>ErikVKing</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  thrillhaus <A HREF="/useremail/u/920798"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alexoi <A HREF="/useremail/u/1448336"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>So we will lose the marks as well right?  Just want to confirm.<br><br>Thanks,<br> </div>That's correct. Although, I did see that the gems you buy with honor are becoming non-BoP and non-unique. So you can spend all your marks turning them into honor on characters you don't play for characters that you do.<br> </div>pre-WotLK release, or post-release?  If I can buy these before the xp, then hell yeah I'm getting some stuff for alts!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:08:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1559920"><b>ErikVKing</b></A> : I'm crying inside after reading this, and my brain hurts, thanks!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:06:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/920798"><b>thrillhaus</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alexoi <A HREF="/useremail/u/1448336"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So we will lose the marks as well right?  Just want to confirm.<br><br>Thanks,<br> </div>That's correct. Although, I did see that the gems you buy with honor are becoming non-BoP and non-unique. So you can spend all your marks turning them into honor on characters you don't play for characters that you do.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:49:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1448336"><b>Alexoi</b></A> : So we will lose the marks as well right?  Just want to confirm.<br><br>Thanks,]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1142276"><b>Tehuno</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Thaler <A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmm...I'm curious, are these cloaks better than, or equal to, the 60 badge PvP cloaks? Just looking at the melee, it seems like the 60 badge has more offensive capabilities.<br><br>Plus, dang...maybe the changes in the battlemaster trinkets might have me finally pick one up. It was a no-brainer trading in +10 AP for a useable +300 AP for 20 seconds...but I may have to think twice about a passive +50 AP boost.<br><br>(edit) Yeah, Dori's has different stats. While The Gladiator's Resolution has more crit, AP, and stamina, Dori's has +112 armor penetration vs. the Resolution's 18.<br><br>Of course, this could be a typo, dunno. All the other new honor cloaks seem to dominate their badge counterparts.<br><br>(edit) NM. I just saw that the new item descriptions are using the 3.0 item system rating. The cloak has an armor penetration rating, not just a value.<br><br>So yeah, the Gladiator's Reprieve is superior in each and every way. Sweet. No more having to putz around in Heroic/Kara LFG queues...well, unless I want weapons, but that's way, WAY far off. Too many badges for me to want to drop in.<br> </div>if youre comparing bloodlust brooch(or the one from brewfest) vs the new trinket, they are virtually identical. 72 passive ap + 270 ap useable for 20 sec out of 120 = 45 passive ap, or 117 total.<br>30k honor for a 3 ap upgrade, assuming you pop the blb every CD. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/204890"><b>Harddrive</b></A> : i think you need to get back to class at the Mesa, Arizona public school system.<br><small>--<br>I have come to realize that God doesn't want to hear from me anymore.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:18:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I tink dat da honr resete is a bad ting cause i like to do the  p v p.  what u tink?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:50:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : If they're there to replace existing cloaks (dory's / sergeant's) then that won't happen.  Not much point in a peace offering for deleting honor and badges if you take it away again with a PR.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:39:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : Guh...this just came to mind. I really, really hope they don't botch these items with PR requirements.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:03:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : junky: get that ore prospected. Or wait until WotLK hits and list it about 2 weeks after the start. The DKs need to level professions ;)<br><br>They'll be available, I believe, in the officer's area of Stormwind/Orgrimmar once 3.0.2 goes live.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:16:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1572979"><b>WoWjunky</b></A> : Anyone know where you can buy these new capes and stuff, or when they will be available?  I am such a mess with my toons right now, I dont even know where I am with them all, my inventory is bulging full of crap i dont use anymore, i cant auction stuff because the price has dropped through the floor.... sigh my life in WoW is such a disaster.  I need to clean out my bags and start fresh, anyone need 180 pieces of adamantite ore?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:07:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1559920"><b>ErikVKing</b></A> : haha, hell ya!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:11:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : I saw your edits Aqua, lol, as I was going to comment in terms of the improvements. But yes, they are all superior, and I think it comes down to the player's interest in continuing the daily BG grind (rather than rest up for the expansion, ie take some weeks off, or simply goof around) for these new items. <br><br>I know I'm just pooped, but for my feral druid, I think I'm going to go for the new cape, since the one I have is still the one from Mech, believe it or not, with the +26 resilience on it. This new cape would be a huge upgrade for me and would simply cost 20k honor and not 60 badges (on my server, no one is really running anything at all right now for badges, it's so dead).<br><small>--<br>Low Self Esteem Support Group will meet Thursday at 7 PM. Please use the back door.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:05:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : and hardly worth it given the weapons you can get with 27k honor.  If the expansion was 6 months or a year a way that's different, but less than 2 months?  <br><br>And yeah, armor penetration is the new expose armor, so I imagine the stats on Dory's Embrace will change to reflect this, the same as spell damage and healing will change to spell power on old gear to fit in with the new system.<br><br>edit<br><br>The only question I have is the cost, so I know what to shoot for in terms of building up honor and badges.  I use the crit trinket with the pve ap trinket you were talking about.  I'll definitely want the upgraded version to replace the 40 crit one.  60-75K honor should be safe :D  Good thing AV weekend is coming up :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:48:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/945359"><b>Thaler</b></A> : Hmm...I'm curious, are these cloaks better than, or equal to, the 60 badge PvP cloaks? Just looking at the melee, it seems like the 60 badge has more offensive capabilities.<br><br>Plus, dang...maybe the changes in the battlemaster trinkets might have me finally pick one up. It was a no-brainer trading in +10 AP for a useable +300 AP for 20 seconds...but I may have to think twice about a passive +50 AP boost.<br><br>(edit) Yeah, Dori's has different stats. While The Gladiator's Resolution has more crit, AP, and stamina, Dori's has +112 armor penetration vs. the Resolution's 18.<br><br>Of course, this could be a typo, dunno. All the other new honor cloaks seem to dominate their badge counterparts.<br><br>(edit) NM. I just saw that the new item descriptions are using the 3.0 item system rating. The cloak has an armor penetration rating, not just a value.<br><br>So yeah, the Gladiator's Reprieve is superior in each and every way. Sweet. No more having to putz around in Heroic/Kara LFG queues...well, unless I want weapons, but that's way, WAY far off. Too many badges for me to want to drop in.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:06:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1457413"><b>saillaw</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by TwinkMage :</small><br><br>Does anyone know if thise will affect everyone?  I've got a 29 twink mage with every piece of bg gear except the battle standard.  <br><br>I've managed to save up almost enough honor on him but I don't know if I'll make the rest before the expansion<br> </div>Oh damn I hadn't thought of that... my 19 twink is half way to the standard too... takes forever to get 15k honor at lvl 19]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:21:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511236"><b>Jakiel00</b></A> : I have been farming badges and spending them on some of the epic gems. Made 500g off 2 of them (the price has dropped of course, but there are still people buying them). Tough to spend 60 badges on the cloak...just couldn't get myself to do it :(]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:07:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ormath <A HREF="/useremail/u/1554434"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Since when does anyone need to pve for the pvp cloaks? You get them for like 8k honor on the accesories vendor.<br> </div>The 60-badge "pve" cloaks are better for pvp, that's why. It never made sense, I know. <br><small>--<br>Low Self Esteem Support Group will meet Thursday at 7 PM. Please use the back door.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:58:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/695209"><b>BIGDOG_3</b></A> : That is awesome.  I am glad I don't have to farm badges for a cloak.  Also gems are not bind on pickup!  Can try to make a quick $ before the expansion.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:53:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1554434"><b>ormath</b></A> : Since when does anyone need to pve for the pvp cloaks? You get them for like 8k honor on the accesories vendor.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:52:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : That's actually really good news on the cloaks.  I'm with the rest of you that thought needing to do heroics and raids to get a pvp cloak was a bit dumb.  I did it easily enough when I raided most days, but in a pvp guild it can take over a month to get 60 badges.<br><br>I know a bunch of guild members that will be delighted with this too, because they were having the same difficulty, even with running kara a couple times a week.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:30:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : Exactly, and 60 badges at that..pain in the ass.<br><br>These above look nice and the pvp cloak for my feral druid looks to be 20,000 honor and 20 AB marks. Not too bad at all.<br><br>Edit: &raquo;<A HREF="http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41592#comments" >wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41592#comments</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:19:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><b>kywirelessgu</b></A> : Well, it was about time they offered some pvp cloaks through something other than pve. That was just stupid if you ask me, and I'm a pve'er mainly.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:00:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522713"><b>Dissembled</b></A> : As many of you know we will be featuring a new Battleground, a dedicated world PvP zone and all new PvP items in Wrath of the Lich King. In order to make the transition from The Burning Crusade to Wrath of the Lich King flow as smoothly as possible, all accrued honor points will be reset at the launch of the expansion. We do this to ensure select players do not have an unfair advantage at level 80 from stockpiling honor to instantly purchase the newest Wrath of the Lich King PvP rewards. <br><br>For those with unspent honor points prior to the release of the expansion, we will be offering a few upgrades and special rewards in next content patch solely for purchase via the honor system: <br><br>Cloak of Certain Reprieve <br>Binds when picked up <br>Back <br>130 Armor <br>+42 Stamina <br>+18 Intellect <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 28 (0.71% @ L70). <br>Equip: Restores 8 mana per 5 sec. <br>Equip: Increases spell power by 33. <br><br>Sergeant's Reinforced Cape <br>Binds when picked up <br>Back <br>130 Armor <br>+42 Stamina <br>+26 Intellect <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 30 (0.76% @ L70). <br>Equip: Increases spell power by 33. <br><br>The Gladiator's Resolution <br>Binds when picked up <br>Back <br>130 Armor <br>+42 Stamina <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 26 (1.18% @ L70). <br>Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 20 (0.51% @ L70). <br>Equip: Increases attack power by 56. <br>Equip: Increases your armor penetration rating by 18 <br><br>Volanthius Shroud <br>Binds when picked up <br>Back <br>130 Armor <br>+42 Stamina <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 19 (0.86% @ L70). <br>Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 28 (0.71% @ L70). <br>Equip: Improves haste rating by 18 (1.14% @ L70). <br>Equip: Increases spell power by 33 <br><br>Battlemaster's Resolve <br>Binds when picked up <br>Trinket <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Increases attack power by 120. <br>Use: Increases maximum health by 1750 for 15 sec. Shares cooldown with other Battlemaster's trinkets. (3 Min Cooldown) <br><br>Battlemaster's Courage <br>Binds when picked up <br>Trinket <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Increases spell power by 70. <br>Use: Increases maximum health by 1750 for 15 sec. Shares cooldown with other Battlemaster's trinkets. (3 Min Cooldown) <br><br>Battlemaster's Celerity <br>Binds when picked up <br>Trinket <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Improves haste rating by 60 (3.8% @ L70). <br>Use: Increases maximum health by 1750 for 15 sec. Shares cooldown with other Battlemaster's trinkets. (3 Min Cooldown) <br><br>Battlemaster's Aggression <br>Binds when picked up <br>Trinket <br>Requires Level 70 <br>Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 60 (2.72% @ L70). <br>Use: Increases maximum health by 1750 for 15 sec. Shares cooldown with other Battlemaster's trinkets. (3 Min Cooldown) <br><br>Please note that Gems that have been acquired through Honor will no longer be unique-equipped after the release of Patch 3.0.2. Also, they will no longer Bind on Pickup.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1582577"><b>Dropper</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  drew <A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>That, in and of itself, is dumb.<br><br>Marks for WSG and AB are crazy hard to accumulate.<br> </div>Not if you play horde they're not.  The only slightly difficult marks to accumulate as a horde player are AV, and even that isn't too difficult with holiday weekends every month.  Your average horde player that bg's a couple hours every day will accumulate 100 of each badge in about a month, unless he spends them.<br><br>Since leveling to 70 a month ago I've got a full set of S2 with weapons, two mounts, literally everything you can get with AV tokens and the 30K and 40K honor trinkets.  I'm back up to 40+ badges of all types.  I do play a lot of BGs, probably 2-3 hours a day.<br><br>Having them reset honor and badges with the expansion makes perfect sense to me.  Same with Arena.  And I agree with you on Arena pts.  They should be reset at the end of every season to prevent people from buying 2-3 pieces of gear on day 1.  That's simply too much over an advantage of those that just started out.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:48:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511236"><b>Jakiel00</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ErikVKing <A HREF="/useremail/u/1559920"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Garbs <A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Jakiel00 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1511236"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>I don't think this will deter me from BG on my soon to be 70 Warlock, since I made the toon to play an elite PVP type character. <br><br>Just let us Shard our old PVP gear please! That is all I ask! <br> </div>Yea, I concur. But sadly all I think we can do is type "DELETE". <br> </div>Even better: Let us "sell" back the gear for diminished Honor returns!  I can see not letting us shard the items, because one oculd just farm for the minimum point item, get a Void out of it, and rinse/repeat.  Which, of course, would make PvP a viable way to make some cash, and make the hardcore PvPer happy, but I digress.<br><br>Just let us do SOMETHING with the hard-earned piece of gear instead of "DELETE"!<br> </div>/trade Rummage sale in front of SW Bank! Buy any used epic and get an epic of equal or lesser value FREE! ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:51:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Does anyone know if thise will affect everyone?  I've got a 29 twink mage with every piece of bg gear except the battle standard.  <br><br>I've managed to save up almost enough honor on him but I don't know if I'll make the rest before the expansion]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:09:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/820001"><b>quickbeam</b></A> : "For those with unspent honor points prior to the release of the expansion, we will be offering a few upgrades and special rewards in next content patch solely for purchase via the honor system."<br><br>Any update on what we can trade for?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:44:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : That, in and of itself, is dumb.<br><br>Marks for WSG and AB are crazy hard to accumulate.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:02:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/848717"><b>stonhinge</b></A> : It'd be nice if they reset them once you passed 70, but since the 70 BG and arena will likely taper down in activity once the expansion hits anyways, this doesn't really affect anyone. Twinks will likely have all the BG gear they wanted, and people who enjoy the end game PvP will want to level up.<br><small>--<br>When the ship lifts, all bills are paid. No regrets.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:41:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/376631"><b>DownLow</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  drew <A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As you can obtain marks at various levels and not just 70, I believe that you'll be able to keep them.<br> </div>I am hearing that marks will be reset as well..so don't get your hopes up.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1559920"><b>ErikVKing</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Garbs <A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Jakiel00 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1511236"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I don't think this will deter me from BG on my soon to be 70 Warlock, since I made the toon to play an elite PVP type character. <br><br>Just let us Shard our old PVP gear please! That is all I ask! <br> </div>Yea, I concur. But sadly all I think we can do is type "DELETE". <br> </div>Even better: Let us "sell" back the gear for diminished Honor returns!  I can see not letting us shard the items, because one oculd just farm for the minimum point item, get a Void out of it, and rinse/repeat.  Which, of course, would make PvP a viable way to make some cash, and make the hardcore PvPer happy, but I digress.<br><br>Just let us do SOMETHING with the hard-earned piece of gear instead of "DELETE"!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:22:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/345862"><b>jplove71</b></A> : Well, I was partly right in my post here &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r21041913-">Re: [ PVP] Warlock PVP Info/ Tips/ Strategies</A><br><small>--<br>Rakkasan!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:11:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : As you can obtain marks at various levels and not just 70, I believe that you'll be able to keep them.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:34:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1560206"><b>Veriis</b></A> : Not sure as I just posted what came off the WoW Blue Tracker (which for some reason I can only see the Euro Posts, the US ones look corrupted - anyone else see this?)  since the forums are blocked here at work.<br><br>Someone who can get directly to them might know...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:28:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I don't see any mention of marks/tokens being taken away. Are there additional comments on the WOW forums that speaks to this?<br><br>~Darkspite - Azgalor]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:23:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : I've always thought that people shouldn't be able to bank arena points between seasons.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:01:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939674"><b>kywirelessgu</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Omega <A HREF="/useremail/u/665836"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Waiting for the incoming QQ fest!<br> </div>Do you think people will be upset they can't bank a bunch of honor?<br><br>I'm not a hardcore pvp'er really, that was the goal with my newest 70, but by the time I get geared and ready to run arena seriously its gonna be time to level to 80 :(<br><br>I think there's going to be pve'ers qq'ing if the special rewards are anything they want.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:46:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/665836"><b>Omega</b></A> : Waiting for the incoming QQ fest!<br><small>--<br>Whats smells like blue?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:43:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1560206"><b>Veriis</b></A> : Ok thanks for some clarification guys, really appreciate it.  <br><br>Think part of me was almost hoping I <b>couldn't</b> BG because I am a little tired of it on my rogue, the other half just trying to get some gear to help level a little easier once expansion hits.<br><br>Guess I can always go holy and get into groups though huh (that might be a whole diff topic, at what level to switch from shadow to holy/disc since I want to heal :)  )]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:26:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Jakiel00 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1511236"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't think this will deter me from BG on my soon to be 70 Warlock, since I made the toon to play an elite PVP type character. <br><br>Just let us Shard our old PVP gear please! That is all I ask! <br> </div>Yea, I concur. But sadly all I think we can do is type "DELETE". ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:25:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511236"><b>Jakiel00</b></A> : I don't think this will deter me from BG on my soon to be 70 Warlock, since I made the toon to play an elite PVP type character. <br><br>Just let us Shard our old PVP gear please! That is all I ask! ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:24:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21155893</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/679322"><b>Garbs</b></A> : You'll be able to BG your butt off and accrue honor points and spend them and live happily up until the expansion launches.<br><br>Once the expansion launches, any honor points you had that you didn't spend will be gone.<br><br>That's it. =)<br><br>So go out and have fun until 11/13/08. Peace. <br><small>--<br>Low Self Esteem Support Group will meet Thursday at 7 PM. Please use the back door.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:21:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/728041"><b>Dodge</b></A> : Yay more useless mounts and pets!!!!  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:21:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1583481"><b>VinceAtLSU</b></A> : I think you'll be fine with 3.0.2.  What it's saying is that if you're maxed on bg gear and were hoping to save your points, there will be special items available to buy.  But until the release, all the regular bg items will be available.<br><br>I could be wrong though.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:18:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1560206"><b>Veriis</b></A> : From the WoW Blue Tracker:<br><br>Poster: Vaneras at 2008-09-23 10:04:18<br>Subject: Upcoming Honor Items and Honor Reset <br>   <br>As many of you know we will be featuring a new Battleground, a dedicated world PvP zone and all new PvP items in Wrath of the Lich King. In order to make the transition from The Burning Crusade to Wrath of the Lich King flow as smoothly as possible, all accrued honor points will be reset at the launch of the expansion. We do this to ensure select players do not have an unfair advantage at level 80 from stockpiling honor to instantly purchase the newest Wrath of the Lich King PvP rewards. For those with unspent honor points prior to the release of the expansion, we will be offering a few upgrades and special rewards in next content patch solely for purchase via the honor system. <br> <br><br>So anyone have any info on this?  I am leveling my Priest (at 65 right now) and from what I gather above it means I won't be able to BG some gear for him to get him started (at 70) once 3.0.2 is released?  Or am I off base here?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:13:58 EDT</pubDate>
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