keozu
join:2003-02-01
Virgie, KY | voip? what could this do to voip? | |
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jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
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| Re: voip? said by keozu  :what could this do to voip? I suspect that it would not be good for audio quality. | |
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Cjaiceman
Premium,MVM
join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| Re: voip? said by swhitney2003 :This is actually a concern I didn't think of... I use skype a lot and I really do not want crappy connection because after 15mins I am going to be throttled. Unless your VOIP is using 70% (4.6Mbits/sec)of your connection you won't be throttled. VOIP uses very little data, but the latency is what counts. This is true of listening to music and everything like that.
What the throttling accounts to is if your downloading something larger than about 740MB, then you might be throttled. If your downloading something smaller than that then you won't be using your connection long enough to hit the 15 minute mark. And, on top of that, this will really only impact you when there is congestion on the node, if your node is not horribly oversold you won't see this on your connection. | |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: Yay karl, another blunder said by baineschile :And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman. You seriously think people use all that bandwidth for illegal ways? There is so much stuff out there that IS LEGAL that will no longer be possible because Comcast can't just keep their current formula and then upgrade their system with D3..that would make to much sense for Comcast.
I guess they would rather get their healthy profits and video walls instead of screwing over their internet users. 
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
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| Re: Yay karl, another blunder Since when did ztmike on his post every mention the word torrent? You seem to think the majority of congestion is caused by torrents lol. The majority of congestion is now caused by video services like netflix, youtube, veoh, itunes, all you can download music services, and streaming sites.
Then again it does seem like you have some stake in comcast as you never give any one anti comcast some slack. | |
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| Re: Yay karl, another blunder said by pspcrazy : The majority of congestion is now caused by video services like netflix, youtube, veoh, itunes, all you can download music services, and streaming sites. No it isn't. It's been said before the majority of bandwidth consumption is from P2P services. | |
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join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA | Re: Yay karl, another blunder A year ago, yes, but in the last few months streaming video has far surpassed torrents as the largest use of bandwidth. | |
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | Re: Yay karl, another blunder No it hasn't. | |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533 | Re: Yay karl, another blunder TK, is that you? | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by ztmike :said by baineschile :And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman. You seriously think people use all that bandwidth for illegal ways? There is so much stuff out there that IS LEGAL that will no longer be possible because Comcast can't just keep their current formula and then upgrade their system with D3..that would make to much sense for Comcast. I guess they would rather get their healthy profits and video walls instead of screwing over their internet users. Please site me how a NORMAL hosuehold would use 250 GB. And pleae don't post shit like using VoiP 24/7 or downloading 50 HD movies a month, because that's not normal usage. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: Yay karl, another blunder I would like to know that as well. I live with two college roommates. the cable is in my name and i pay for it so i can the speed and service i want from my cable company.
Myself and one roommate watch videos on CNN and listen to online radio stations from Clear Channel, plus I have Vonage hooked up, the other watches shows online that she missed from earlier in the week from ABC and NBC. We still do windows updates and I send large documents across the country for various projects I volunteer with and does not include any of the class work either of the other two roommates have to upload for their online classes and we never come close to the 250 gig mark of Comcast. | |
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delusion FTL
@mcleodusa.net
| You do realize that they will throttle you, the light/regular consumer, when you're downloading that 5-6GB game demo or patch or uploading that 1-2GB full SD card of family vacation pictures. You will be treated like the thieving heavy abuser that you are...even if you only use less than 10 GB a month total.
Getting all hung up on 250GB cap only allows you to miss how comcast's lack of network capacity planning and deployment will now affect all users on congested nodes trying to use the bandwidth they pay for even if they are light, bursty sporadic, users. Gone are the days of abusers and pirates being the only ones affected. | |
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by baineschile :Good job Karl, another Comcast lie. Why doont you look at the trend of comcast's stock since the throttling was uncovered... As annoying as I find Karl's biased rants, he statement about stock price was made towards Sandvine, not Comcast. | |
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baineschile
2600
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Yay karl, another blunder Suppose it could be read like that, i just had assumed it was another anti-comcast rant | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: Yay karl, another blunder Well, obviously it is an anti-Comcast rant, but I would expect nothing less from Karl. I still believe he was discussing Sandvine when he mentioned the stock price though. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| The new Comcast fee Comcast-"In order to prevent further decline of our stock, we've announced the new 'Comcast Stock Devaluation Recovery Fee'. What this entails is the absolute cessation of all network upgrades, and the implementation of our recession contingency where we cap your Internet usage. Its you the consumer that's at fault. How do you the consumer expect Comcast to oversell our networks if you the consumer actually use them. It's a shame that you the consumer actually thought that we here at Comcast meant 'unlimited'. Any further actions on the part of the consumer may force us to curb your cable tv and VOD use. We thank you for your time....and oh...by the way, our rates will increase 4% in the next quarter!"
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Yay karl, another blunder I would say yes it is right for them to do it. This is simply the most reasonable way to manager their network without them outright disconnecting the users.
If you abuse the network by their standards then your traffic gets a lower priority. That does not mean anything at all you do will be affected, though it could be if your abuse has oversaturated the node. Even then, the effect of this on your internet experience may very well go unnoticed. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by JSY :Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what people do with their bandwidth. The real debate should be if it's right for Comcast to do this Um why CAN'T Comcast do it? Which law are they violating? If Comcast isn't legally allowed to have caps then the wireless companies need to get rid of their 5 GB caps. Satelite internet companies need to get rid of thier caps too. | |
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| fldiver
Premium
join:1999-12-27
Jacksonville, FL
| Can't you come up with anything new and creative; clearly not because if you stopped and thought for 10 seconds you would realize there are plenty of legitimate ways to use more than 250GB; WHY are there always people like you that always fall back on the RIAA/MPAA rhetoric..?? | |
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| | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Re: Yay karl, another blunder There are few legitimate ways to use 250GB a month on a regular basis.
There are even less legitimate ways to have an upload of multiple gigs per month on a regular basis. | |
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@att.net
| Re: Yay karl, another blunder said by Skippy25 :There are even less legitimate ways to have an upload of multiple gigs per month on a regular basis. Uh, backups? Duh. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by fldiver :Can't you come up with anything new and creative; clearly not because if you stopped and thought for 10 seconds you would realize there are plenty of legitimate ways to use more than 250GB Then you should have no problem listing some of them. | |
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| gweeper
join:2002-01-04
Southborough, MA
| Legality is irrelevant. BT [and some TCP implementations) are based on greedy algorithms that quite simply fail to scale in the real world of shared-fate infrastructure. Buy dedicated pipes if you want dedicated services, or get your to establish a municipality infrastructure. | |
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| thecrisis
join:2006-01-13
1 edit | ROFL are you serious? You obviously don't know how to use the internet if you think you can't use more than 250 GB worth of bandwidth legally.
Bottom line is Comcast is one of the worst ISP's out there. There are much better, faster, and cheaper alternatives. | |
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delusion FTL
@mcleodusa.net
| Why does my screen name always seem so appropriate?
If you think that because you use less than 250GB or even less than 10GB a month you could not be affected by this throttling policy then you truly are delusional.
READ: You don't have to be a heavy user or pirate to get your paid for internet speeds chopped. | |
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Cabal
Premium
join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA
| said by keozu :what could this do to voip? Nothing. VoIP uses 64-80 Kbps of data, when not compressed. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: voip? said by Cabal :said by keozu :what could this do to voip? Nothing. VoIP uses 64-80 Kbps of data, when not compressed. At 80 Kbps one could use VoIP 24/7 and use only 25 GB a month. Just to make it clear to people how little bandwidth VoIP uses. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by keozu :what could this do to voip? Limit each call to 14 minutes 59 seconds?
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