JSY
Premium
join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY
clubs:
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Bway.net
| reply to BF69
Re: Yay karl, another blunder
said by BF69  :Um why CAN'T Comcast do it? Which law are they violating? If Comcast isn't legally allowed to have caps then the wireless companies need to get rid of their 5 GB caps. Satelite internet companies need to get rid of thier caps too. Um, well, I didn't say they can't - I said if it was right? Two different things. That's the debate. It shouldn't be "right" because someone thinks the only people who would violate the caps would be people doing things that they don't approve.
Of course they can do it. They can do whatever the hell they want as long as it's lawful. Just be sure not to call it 'unlimited' access. |
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Mr Anon
@att.net
| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25 :There are even less legitimate ways to have an upload of multiple gigs per month on a regular basis. Uh, backups? Duh. |
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delusion FTL
@mcleodusa.net
| reply to baineschile
Why does my screen name always seem so appropriate?
If you think that because you use less than 250GB or even less than 10GB a month you could not be affected by this throttling policy then you truly are delusional.
READ: You don't have to be a heavy user or pirate to get your paid for internet speeds chopped. |
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delusion FTL
@mcleodusa.net
| reply to BF69
You do realize that they will throttle you, the light/regular consumer, when you're downloading that 5-6GB game demo or patch or uploading that 1-2GB full SD card of family vacation pictures. You will be treated like the thieving heavy abuser that you are...even if you only use less than 10 GB a month total.
Getting all hung up on 250GB cap only allows you to miss how comcast's lack of network capacity planning and deployment will now affect all users on congested nodes trying to use the bandwidth they pay for even if they are light, bursty sporadic, users. Gone are the days of abusers and pirates being the only ones affected. |
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thecrisis
join:2006-01-13
1 edit | reply to baineschile
ROFL are you serious? You obviously don't know how to use the internet if you think you can't use more than 250 GB worth of bandwidth legally.
Bottom line is Comcast is one of the worst ISP's out there. There are much better, faster, and cheaper alternatives. |
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gweeper
join:2002-01-04
Southborough, MA
| reply to baineschile
Legality is irrelevant. BT [and some TCP implementations) are based on greedy algorithms that quite simply fail to scale in the real world of shared-fate infrastructure. Buy dedicated pipes if you want dedicated services, or get your to establish a municipality infrastructure. |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533 | reply to imrf
TK, is that you? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to JSY
said by JSY :Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what people do with their bandwidth. The real debate should be if it's right for Comcast to do this Um why CAN'T Comcast do it? Which law are they violating? If Comcast isn't legally allowed to have caps then the wireless companies need to get rid of their 5 GB caps. Satelite internet companies need to get rid of thier caps too. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to fldiver
said by fldiver :Can't you come up with anything new and creative; clearly not because if you stopped and thought for 10 seconds you would realize there are plenty of legitimate ways to use more than 250GB Then you should have no problem listing some of them. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to Cabal
Re: voip?
said by Cabal :said by keozu :what could this do to voip? Nothing. VoIP uses 64-80 Kbps of data, when not compressed. At 80 Kbps one could use VoIP 24/7 and use only 25 GB a month. Just to make it clear to people how little bandwidth VoIP uses. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to BF69
Re: Yay karl, another blunder
I would like to know that as well. I live with two college roommates. the cable is in my name and i pay for it so i can the speed and service i want from my cable company.
Myself and one roommate watch videos on CNN and listen to online radio stations from Clear Channel, plus I have Vonage hooked up, the other watches shows online that she missed from earlier in the week from ABC and NBC. We still do windows updates and I send large documents across the country for various projects I volunteer with and does not include any of the class work either of the other two roommates have to upload for their online classes and we never come close to the 250 gig mark of Comcast. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | reply to fldiver
There are few legitimate ways to use 250GB a month on a regular basis.
There are even less legitimate ways to have an upload of multiple gigs per month on a regular basis. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to JSY
I would say yes it is right for them to do it. This is simply the most reasonable way to manager their network without them outright disconnecting the users.
If you abuse the network by their standards then your traffic gets a lower priority. That does not mean anything at all you do will be affected, though it could be if your abuse has oversaturated the node. Even then, the effect of this on your internet experience may very well go unnoticed. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to keozu
Re: voip?
said by keozu :what could this do to voip? Limit each call to 14 minutes 59 seconds?
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Cabal
Premium
join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA
| reply to keozu
said by keozu :what could this do to voip? Nothing. VoIP uses 64-80 Kbps of data, when not compressed. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to ztmike
Re: Yay karl, another blunder
said by ztmike :said by baineschile :And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman. You seriously think people use all that bandwidth for illegal ways? There is so much stuff out there that IS LEGAL that will no longer be possible because Comcast can't just keep their current formula and then upgrade their system with D3..that would make to much sense for Comcast. I guess they would rather get their healthy profits and video walls instead of screwing over their internet users.  Please site me how a NORMAL hosuehold would use 250 GB. And pleae don't post shit like using VoiP 24/7 or downloading 50 HD movies a month, because that's not normal usage. |
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fldiver
Premium
join:1999-12-27
Jacksonville, FL
| reply to baineschile
Can't you come up with anything new and creative; clearly not because if you stopped and thought for 10 seconds you would realize there are plenty of legitimate ways to use more than 250GB; WHY are there always people like you that always fall back on the RIAA/MPAA rhetoric..?? |
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JSY
Premium
join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
·Bway.net
| reply to baineschile
said by baineschile :And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman. Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what people do with their bandwidth. The real debate should be if it's right for Comcast to do this and was it the right solution. I don't want to hear that it's justified because certain people do this and this would only affect them. Who gives a shit? The ends do NOT justify the means. Debate about Comcast's "solution" to their problem - not this bullshit red herring crap about this affects these people because they do this and good for them. It only makes me think that you're guilty of doing the thing that you want people to think you abhor. He who smelt it dealt it. LOL!
And what's a 'pirater'? |
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | reply to lordofwhee
No it hasn't. |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
Premium
join:2003-06-13
NH
clubs: 
 ·Skype
 ·Verizon Wireless B..
·Comcast
| reply to Cjaiceman
Re: voip?
said by Cjaiceman :said by swhitney2003 :This is actually a concern I didn't think of... I use skype a lot and I really do not want crappy connection because after 15mins I am going to be throttled. Unless your VOIP is using 70% (4.6Mbits/sec)of your connection you won't be throttled. VOIP uses very little data, but the latency is what counts. This is true of listening to music and everything like that. What the throttling accounts to is if your downloading something larger than about 740MB, then you might be throttled. If your downloading something smaller than that then you won't be using your connection long enough to hit the 15 minute mark. And, on top of that, this will really only impact you when there is congestion on the node, if your node is not horribly oversold you won't see this on your connection. I use Skype for video chat, not pure phone calls. This is what will cause my upstream to be saturated. |
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