Re: Yay karl, another blunder in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21156757 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:02:56 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:02:56 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160930 JSY :
said by BF69 See Profile :

Um why CAN'T Comcast do it? Which law are they violating? If Comcast isn't legally allowed to have caps then the wireless companies need to get rid of their 5 GB caps. Satelite internet companies need to get rid of thier caps too.
Um, well, I didn't say they can't - I said if it was right? Two different things. That's the debate. It shouldn't be "right" because someone thinks the only people who would violate the caps would be people doing things that they don't approve.

Of course they can do it. They can do whatever the hell they want as long as it's lawful. Just be sure not to call it 'unlimited' access.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160930 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:37:11 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160237 anon :
said by Skippy25 See Profile :

There are even less legitimate ways to have an upload of multiple gigs per month on a regular basis.
Uh, backups? Duh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160237 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:57:30 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160636 anon : Why does my screen name always seem so appropriate?

If you think that because you use less than 250GB or even less than 10GB a month you could not be affected by this throttling policy then you truly are delusional.

READ: You don't have to be a heavy user or pirate to get your paid for internet speeds chopped.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160636 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:55:48 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160609 anon : You do realize that they will throttle you, the light/regular consumer, when you're downloading that 5-6GB game demo or patch or uploading that 1-2GB full SD card of family vacation pictures. You will be treated like the thieving heavy abuser that you are...even if you only use less than 10 GB a month total.

Getting all hung up on 250GB cap only allows you to miss how comcast's lack of network capacity planning and deployment will now affect all users on congested nodes trying to use the bandwidth they pay for even if they are light, bursty sporadic, users. Gone are the days of abusers and pirates being the only ones affected.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160609 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:51:33 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160077 thecrisis : ROFL are you serious? You obviously don't know how to use the internet if you think you can't use more than 250 GB worth of bandwidth legally.

Bottom line is Comcast is one of the worst ISP's out there. There are much better, faster, and cheaper alternatives.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160077 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:25:44 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159766 gweeper : Legality is irrelevant. BT [and some TCP implementations) are based on greedy algorithms that quite simply fail to scale in the real world of shared-fate infrastructure. Buy dedicated pipes if you want dedicated services, or get your to establish a municipality infrastructure. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159766 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:18:31 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159547 digitalfreak : TK, is that you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159547 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:20:00 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159347 BF69 :
said by JSY See Profile :

Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what people do with their bandwidth. The real debate should be if it's right for Comcast to do this
Um why CAN'T Comcast do it? Which law are they violating? If Comcast isn't legally allowed to have caps then the wireless companies need to get rid of their 5 GB caps. Satelite internet companies need to get rid of thier caps too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159347 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:44:46 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159342 BF69 :
said by fldiver See Profile :

Can't you come up with anything new and creative; clearly not because if you stopped and thought for 10 seconds you would realize there are plenty of legitimate ways to use more than 250GB
Then you should have no problem listing some of them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159342 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:41:10 EDT Re: voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159340 BF69 :
said by Cabal See Profile :

said by keozu See Profile :

what could this do to voip?
Nothing. VoIP uses 64-80 Kbps of data, when not compressed.
At 80 Kbps one could use VoIP 24/7 and use only 25 GB a month. Just to make it clear to people how little bandwidth VoIP uses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21159340 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:40:13 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158482 hottboiinnc : I would like to know that as well. I live with two college roommates. the cable is in my name and i pay for it so i can the speed and service i want from my cable company.

Myself and one roommate watch videos on CNN and listen to online radio stations from Clear Channel, plus I have Vonage hooked up, the other watches shows online that she missed from earlier in the week from ABC and NBC. We still do windows updates and I send large documents across the country for various projects I volunteer with and does not include any of the class work either of the other two roommates have to upload for their online classes and we never come close to the 250 gig mark of Comcast. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158482 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:55:18 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158228 Skippy25 : There are few legitimate ways to use 250GB a month on a regular basis.

There are even less legitimate ways to have an upload of multiple gigs per month on a regular basis.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158228 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:04:13 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158206 Skippy25 : I would say yes it is right for them to do it. This is simply the most reasonable way to manager their network without them outright disconnecting the users.

If you abuse the network by their standards then your traffic gets a lower priority. That does not mean anything at all you do will be affected, though it could be if your abuse has oversaturated the node. Even then, the effect of this on your internet experience may very well go unnoticed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158206 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:00:50 EDT Re: voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158169 dvd536 :
said by keozu See Profile :

what could this do to voip?
Limit each call to 14 minutes 59 seconds?
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said by keozu See Profile :

what could this do to voip?
Nothing. VoIP uses 64-80 Kbps of data, when not compressed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21158042 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:31:02 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157713 BF69 :
said by ztmike See Profile :

said by baineschile See Profile :

And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman.
You seriously think people use all that bandwidth for illegal ways? There is so much stuff out there that IS LEGAL that will no longer be possible because Comcast can't just keep their current formula and then upgrade their system with D3..that would make to much sense for Comcast.

I guess they would rather get their healthy profits and video walls instead of screwing over their internet users. :uhh:
Please site me how a NORMAL hosuehold would use 250 GB. And pleae don't post shit like using VoiP 24/7 or downloading 50 HD movies a month, because that's not normal usage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157713 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:33:13 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157643 fldiver : Can't you come up with anything new and creative; clearly not because if you stopped and thought for 10 seconds you would realize there are plenty of legitimate ways to use more than 250GB; WHY are there always people like you that always fall back on the RIAA/MPAA rhetoric..??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157643 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:23:35 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157600 JSY :
said by baineschile See Profile :

And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman.
Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what people do with their bandwidth. The real debate should be if it's right for Comcast to do this and was it the right solution. I don't want to hear that it's justified because certain people do this and this would only affect them. Who gives a shit? The ends do NOT justify the means. Debate about Comcast's "solution" to their problem - not this bullshit red herring crap about this affects these people because they do this and good for them. It only makes me think that you're guilty of doing the thing that you want people to think you abhor. He who smelt it dealt it. LOL!

And what's a 'pirater'?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157600 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:15:40 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157343 imrf : No it hasn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157343 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:34:19 EDT Re: voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157213 swhitney2003 :
said by Cjaiceman See Profile :

said by swhitney2003 See Profile :

This is actually a concern I didn't think of... I use skype a lot and I really do not want crappy connection because after 15mins I am going to be throttled.
Unless your VOIP is using 70% (4.6Mbits/sec)of your connection you won't be throttled. VOIP uses very little data, but the latency is what counts. This is true of listening to music and everything like that.

What the throttling accounts to is if your downloading something larger than about 740MB, then you might be throttled. If your downloading something smaller than that then you won't be using your connection long enough to hit the 15 minute mark. And, on top of that, this will really only impact you when there is congestion on the node, if your node is not horribly oversold you won't see this on your connection.
I use Skype for video chat, not pure phone calls. This is what will cause my upstream to be saturated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157213 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:13:19 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157150 lordofwhee : A year ago, yes, but in the last few months streaming video has far surpassed torrents as the largest use of bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157150 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:04:03 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157007 imrf :
said by pspcrazy See Profile :

The majority of congestion is now caused by video services like netflix, youtube, veoh, itunes, all you can download music services, and streaming sites.
No it isn't. It's been said before the majority of bandwidth consumption is from P2P services. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21157007 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:39:18 EDT The new Comcast fee http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156874 S_engineer : Comcast-"In order to prevent further decline of our stock, we've announced the new 'Comcast Stock Devaluation Recovery Fee'. What this entails is the absolute cessation of all network upgrades, and the implementation of our recession contingency where we cap your Internet usage. Its you the consumer that's at fault. How do you the consumer expect Comcast to oversell our networks if you the consumer actually use them. It's a shame that you the consumer actually thought that we here at Comcast meant 'unlimited'. Any further actions on the part of the consumer may force us to curb your cable tv and VOD use. We thank you for your time....and oh...by the way, our rates will increase 4% in the next quarter!"
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Then again it does seem like you have some stake in comcast as you never give any one anti comcast some slack.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156757 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:51:58 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156739 baineschile : Suppose it could be read like that, i just had assumed it was another anti-comcast rant]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156739 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:48:32 EDT Re: voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156734 battleop : You might want to come in side so the sky does not hit you on the head when it falls.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156734 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:47:25 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156720 openbox9 :
said by baineschile See Profile :

Good job Karl, another Comcast lie. Why doont you look at the trend of comcast's stock since the throttling was uncovered...
As annoying as I find Karl's biased rants, he statement about stock price was made towards Sandvine, not Comcast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156720 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:45:54 EDT Re: voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156666 Cjaiceman :
said by swhitney2003 See Profile :

This is actually a concern I didn't think of... I use skype a lot and I really do not want crappy connection because after 15mins I am going to be throttled.
Unless your VOIP is using 70% (4.6Mbits/sec)of your connection you won't be throttled. VOIP uses very little data, but the latency is what counts. This is true of listening to music and everything like that.

What the throttling accounts to is if your downloading something larger than about 740MB, then you might be throttled. If your downloading something smaller than that then you won't be using your connection long enough to hit the 15 minute mark. And, on top of that, this will really only impact you when there is congestion on the node, if your node is not horribly oversold you won't see this on your connection. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156666 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:36:12 EDT Re: voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156555 swhitney2003 : time to revert to the days of dialup and one phone line. No longer can you talk on the phone while surfing the web (or downloading content). Talking on the phone then a family member starts watching videos on youtube?... then your voip phone goes down.

This is actually a concern I didn't think of... I use skype a lot and I really do not want crappy connection because after 15mins I am going to be throttled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156555 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:18:31 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156550 baineschile : I will concede that its not 100%, but you must agree that it is a significant portion. Look up ANY legitamate torrent site and see what the top download of the week are.

Even with unbox and streaming netflix, xbox live and general web surfing, one would still have to watch 50+ movies per month to hit 250 gigs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156550 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:17:45 EDT Re: Yay karl, another blunder http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156536 ztmike :
said by baineschile See Profile :

And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman.
You seriously think people use all that bandwidth for illegal ways? There is so much stuff out there that IS LEGAL that will no longer be possible because Comcast can't just keep their current formula and then upgrade their system with D3..that would make to much sense for Comcast.

I guess they would rather get their healthy profits and video walls instead of screwing over their internet users. :uhh:
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We all know you will report nothing but negative news about Comcast, but please, no lies.

And BTW, people that use more than 250 gigs a month are piraters anyways, and I am glad to see ISPs getting involved in young males using 80% of their bandwidth so they can download bootleg copies of ironman.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156507 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:10:48 EDT Re: voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156493 jjoshua :
said by keozu See Profile :

what could this do to voip?
I suspect that it would not be good for audio quality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156493 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:08:32 EDT voip? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156466 keozu : what could this do to voip?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21156466 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:04:26 EDT