 major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA | Common Sense 101 Unless and until VZ makes FIOS available in large metropolitan markets on the west coast, they are very far from becoming a significant "player" in the BB market. Right now they're nothing but an east coast one trick pony, so of course mgt is going to pretend the company would not embrace caps. |
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| said by major marco:Right now they're nothing but an east coast one trick pony, so of course mgt is going to pretend the company would not embrace caps. Actually a two trick pony (TV and Internet), and two pretty good tricks at that. |
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 major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA | said by v35_pilot:Actually a two trick pony (TV and Internet), and two pretty good tricks at that. Eh, fair enough. I stand corrected. |
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| reply to v35_pilot said by v35_pilot: Actually a two trick pony (TV and Internet), Do I hear three-tricks? They do telephony after all, both wired and wireless.
Here in NH with the sale to Fairpoint they are back to one trick - Wireless only. 
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| said by tschmidt:Do I hear three-tricks? They do telephony after all, both wired and wireless. Personally I didn't think their telephony was worthy as it has been around forever and is about as exciting as watching the pony go poop.  |
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| True, but they can do quadruple play (wireline, wireless. internet, TV) with the phone line going over fiber (not even really VoIP) whereasMSOs can't do that. As an added bonus, you can put VoIP on FiOS and they won't complain..and the service will work great! |
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| For phone service FIOS reserves bandwidth using ATM for up to four voice channels, the ONT is not using IP for voice. In effect it is as if Verizon installed a Remote Terminal on the side of your home.
FIOS uses a third "color" for Video emulating traditional Hybrid Fiber Coax (HFC) technology used to Cable industry.
Over time Verizon may transition to a more IP centric network but focus on early roll out was emulation of conventional technology. /tom |
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 mach join:2001-11-24 Flushing, NY | reply to major marco Verizon is not going to cap cause verizon doesn't pay for bandwidth. They are a tier-1 backbone provider which means they connects to the entire Internet solely via Settlement Free Interconnection, also known as settlement free peering. While Cable companies have to pay for the bandwidth they offer to its customers from companies like Level3, Cogent, ATT, etc.
And actually the more bandwidth verizon fios customers use, the more money Verizon is going to make by charging providers (like web hosting companies, cable companies, other small ISPs, etc,) that purchase bandwidth from Verizon.
So you will most likely never see caps/throttling on Verizon FIOS. |
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 | reply to major marco said by major marco:Unless and until VZ makes FIOS available in large metropolitan markets on the west coast, they are very far from becoming a significant "player" in the BB market. Right now they're nothing but an east coast one trick pony, so of course mgt is going to pretend the company would not embrace caps. The population of the Megalopolis where they have a presence is the most densely populated area of the country. They are not "pretending" to not embrace caps, since they don't have them, that's all that matters. |
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 EPS join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | reply to mach at&t is also a tier 1 backbone provider, and they have talked about caps. Sprint Nextel Corp. is also a tier 1 provider (alright, wireless is different and has many challenges of its own) Time Warner, Inc. owns a tier 1 provider... (well, ATDN's status is now confused because they haven't said much in awhile, but it was tier 1 at one point anyway) |
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 mach join:2001-11-24 Flushing, NY | Time Warner's Road Runner doesn't utilize ATDN or Time Warner Telecom (which is not a tier1 since it pays for peering with Sprint.) My guess is that they do that so its easy to sell each company if ever needed... Other than that I can't think of any other reason why Road Runner doesn't exclusively utilize ATDN and Time Warner Telecom. Road Runner could definitely offer no caps service if they did. But instead Road Runner pays for bandwidth from various providers.
About Sprint, well they offer different type service like you mentioned. Sprint has caps on their cellular broadband, which most likely has some sort of technical limitations at the cell towers of how much bandwidth they can carry. If Sprint was to roll out FIOS like service, I'm 99% sure it would have no caps either.
And AT&T is just a greedy dumb company so :P Or really smart, depends how you look at it really :P
The bottom line is that its easy for tier1 to offer no cap service. It could possibly even make them more money, the more their users use. And it becomes costlier and costlier for non tier1 ISPs to offer unlimited bandwidth as users use more and more, since they pay for it.
Anyway, that's just how I see all of this, I could be wrong. |
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 EPS join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Oh, I agree with you that it's easier for them to offer no-cap service because of their bandwidth situation relative to cableco competitors.
at&t is a greedy company, yes. But all companies are greedy... the question for Verizon is whether possible benefits of caps outweigh the costs... yes, heavy users are a minority, but they're also the minority most likely to pay for Verizon's most expensive 50/20 speed tiers, so attracting them for now is probably good for VZ's bottom line. |
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| reply to EPS said by EPS:at&t is also a tier 1 backbone provider, and they have talked about caps. Sprint Nextel Corp. is also a tier 1 provider (alright, wireless is different and has many challenges of its own) Time Warner, Inc. owns a tier 1 provider... (well, ATDN's status is now confused because they haven't said much in awhile, but it was tier 1 at one point anyway) Yeah but AT&T doesn't use their own backbone for their U-verse/DSL customers. Not the good expensive att.net backbone they use sbcglobal craptastic one. I have never seen it continue to be an AT&T or sbcglobal backbone past routing within california on my AT&T DSL. -- Chugging along on 2x 6016/768k DSL Extreme DSL lines and one 6016/768 ATT DSL DIrect line as well as one 10mb/1mb Charter cable line for a combined total of just over 26 meg download and 3 meg up (after overhead). yay! |
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