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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:15:33 EDT

ninjatutle posted : Heaven forbids people actually pay for movies and music now :uhh:

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:01:22 EDT

MrMaster posted :

said by kamm:

You either don't have aa clue about the subject or about ninja's well-known anti-consumer and pro-RIAA/MPAA troll stature - either way your posts are hilarious.

I have no idea who ninjaturtle is but if he truly believes in his troll statements then I feel sorry for the person for his lack of brain capacity. He must be having a rough time graduating third grade yet.

Maybe he needs a tutor such as a STREAMING online tutor to help him. :)

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:25:45 EDT

kamm posted :

said by MrMaster:

said by stomp357:

said by ninjatutle:

I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.

The P2P thieves can't handle the truth.

Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief? :uhh:

You're joking right? You should have used a different emoticon. probably one that was winking.

You either don't have aa clue about the subject or about ninja's well-known anti-consumer and pro-RIAA/MPAA troll stature - either way your posts are hilarious.
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:22:25 EDT

kamm posted :

said by ninjatutle:

I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.

The P2P thieves can't handle the truth.

Utterly irrelevant nonsense.

Re: big CORPORATIONS will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:21:59 EDT

kamm posted :

said by ninjatutle:

as we know it...

FIxed it for you.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:25:57 EDT

Kearnstd posted : i smell a Photoshop tester!!! ;)

i think PS has to be #1 on the pirated list.
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:59:11 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by chRoniX10:

Long live P2P...

This group wont do squat to curb p2p, just another big waste of money. No anti-piracy organization will be able to stop the growth of P2P which is the millions if not more...

I agree.. I have used pirated software before (not going to mention what) but it was a few pieces of software that I could have never bought on my own and would have never learned how to use with getting a pirated copy..

After I learned said software I convinced my company to purchase and begin using this software.. We have many machines running this software now and the company who wrote it made alot of money..

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:14:38 EDT

Kearnstd posted :

said by sivran:

A wise programmer once said, "don't worry when your software is pirated. Worry when it isn't."

i think this is very accurate, look at photoshop. great program and the piracy rates prove it.
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:10:18 EDT

Ian posted :

said by sivran:

A wise programmer once said, "don't worry when your software is pirated. Worry when it isn't."

Ha! That's awesome. Never heard that one.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:07:55 EDT

sivran posted : A wise programmer once said, "don't worry when your software is pirated. Worry when it isn't."

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:03:12 EDT

ToxicDrew posted :

said by KrK:

First, the piracy filters. Then the "Hate speech" filters. Then the "Patriotic" filters.... then the "Damage the Economy" filters.

Pretty soon, you'll either be in "Kiddie-Fun-Zone" walled garden internet.... or else you'll be a 'Terrorist' in the "illegal black market internet..."

Walled garden internet? Don't give AOL executives any false hope. Shame on you :)
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:16:27 EDT

stomp357 posted :

said by MrMaster:

said by stomp357:

said by ninjatutle:

I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.

The P2P thieves can't handle the truth.

Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief? :uhh:

You're joking right? You should have used a different emoticon. probably one that was winking.

Yes. Going by Ninjaturtle's opinion on how everyone's guilty of thievery for using P2P, his not wanting caps must mean he wants all that speed, & enormous data use to steal.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:59:06 EDT

dnoyeB posted : I use it mainly for newsgroups and email and web browsing. Large bandwidth use from me is typically a torrent to a new Mandriva ISO. Or maybe Eclipse..

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:44:51 EDT

MrMaster posted :

said by stomp357:

said by ninjatutle:

I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.

The P2P thieves can't handle the truth.

Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief? :uhh:

You're joking right? You should have used a different emoticon. probably one that was winking.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:44:26 EDT

NeoandGeo posted : I got broadband so that......wholesome pictures....didn't load one row of pixels every 5 seconds.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:40:30 EDT

buzz_4_20 posted : How many got broadband for downloading music?

I suspect piracy created the internet as we know it.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:31:33 EDT

NeoandGeo posted : Except that they're not starving. :uhh:

To the post above:

The only form of media that is being killed off is cd music because of a tyrannical business model. Software and movie sales are still rising, even with piracy being around every corner. Yes, it does hurt, but it's not making anyone go bankrupt, except for the music labels. But the artists are still able to profit large amounts of money by going on tour and self promotion through P2P and word of mouth. CD sales should completely die off, and the music should be freely distributed, and the Artist doing their own merchandise and touring to make money. If they are able to get out to millions of people, they don't need Epic Records swindling them out of 90%+ of the CD sales they generate.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:16:02 EDT

Nightfall posted :

said by Doctor Four:

ninjatutle is a well known anti-piracy/p2p troll around here. It has already been demonstrated time after time that it is impossible to stop p2p in any way, shape, or form. Yet the MAFIAA which he and others of his ilk seem to support keep spending millions of dollars on so-called "technology" like Audible Magic's Copy Sense, only to have them fail epically and utterly.

Filters will not stop copyright infringement online, nor can they differentiate between "legal" and "pirated" content, no matter what anyone may say to the contrary.

And losses to the industry from p2p are a drop in the bucket compared to those from bootlegging, which is far more common.

I love how people who have a differing opinion to what is popular is known as a troll. Is that just because they don't agree with your stance?

Oh, and since we are just throwing out opinions here....the losses to the industry from P2P are far worse than bootlegging. I know countless people who use P2P for software, music, games, and movies and don't spend a dime on these things in the stores. Bootlegging requires you to be in the right place at the right time to buy a physical product. Much easier to download and run.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:59:04 EDT

Kearnstd posted : you remind me of the gun control people who think guns can only be used for crimes.

P2P has legal uses, 10 million people do one of those legal uses whenever World of Warcraft patches.
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:09:09 EDT

ninjatutle posted :

said by chRoniX10:

Long live P2P...

Yeah, thanks for ruining the interweb for everyone. Bad apples :huh:

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:20:29 EDT

elios posted : pretty much
and seeing how fast the net became accepted and then P2P
the law of excelrating returns says the what ever replaces P2P will become even bigger even faster

there for it this kind of stuff will never go away

Welcome to the knee of the Singularity

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:40:59 EDT

Kearnstd posted : Corporations will kill the internet not piracy.

they already want to fill our computers with rootkits just to play their latest games or music CDs. and if that rootkit DRM detects something it doesnt like it wont run the said game/media.(there is a class action suit against EA atm about spore having SecuROM spyware err rootkit drm.)

P2P is causing zero noticeable loss to the industry, when something good comes out people still pay(each of the LOTR movies made close to a billion in theater ticket sales, not counting DVD and Collector sets sales) ironicly it was also the most pirated movie when it came out.
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:08:44 EDT

KrK posted : That doesn't change anything I said, however. The very purpose of a network is to share files, data, and information quickly and efficiently. I'm not calling for anarchy, but neither am I for a Quasi-Government/Corporation match made in hell vetting and deciding what citizens can or cannot access, post, read, download, or whatever.

We already have sweeping, far reaching, extremely punitive laws on the books about Copyright. We don't need a new public/private agency to "protect" their business interests by quashing us.

It's a very small step from "Piracy filters" to "Illegal Information" filters.

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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:00:01 EDT

jester121 posted : Pretty funny stuff krk. For someone railing on about semantics you certainly chose your words carefully. "Filtering information" certainly sounds ominous, but a game or DVD or song isn't "information".

And part of your "essence of a network" is CONTROLLED access to those data, files, and information. For as long as computers have been hooked together there have been passwords and security restrictions. Anarchy doesn't end up being much fun for anyone.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:49:39 EDT

yolarry posted :

said by ninjatutle:

as we know it...

eh? its like saying myspace kills the internet

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:47:44 EDT

KrK posted :

said by swhx7:

If anyone doubts the parent post, look at the press release (again) and instead of the bits about piracy, notice the language. The whole concept of the internet assumed there is a totally commercial one. Citizens are called "consumers" and expected to pay for all the "content" they "consume", buying it from profit-oriented vendors. There is no room in this vision for any non-commercial communication, public interest, or non-exploitive human relationships.

They are very very careful in their choice of language. Notice, they can't call it "Information" or "Data" because then they would be saying "We need to filter and block information" which is 100% what they are actually TRYING to do, but it sounds very, VERY bad (and well it would be) so they refer to it as "content". The Internet was never about "consumers" being spoon-fed the content they WANT you to see. That's what TV, radio, etc is for. The Internet has always been about networking and sharing. THE VERY ESSENCE OF A NETWORK IS TO SHARE DATA, FILES, INFORMATION. Sure, it can be used to provide entertainment, but that's only a secondary concern.

However, for some people, everything is always about money, and how much more of it they can get, by any means. If the Internet is becoming a medium in which content can be distributed and sold for profit, then they want not a share, but control over all... they want to be able to block competition, and ensure all such content comes through them. They wish to be the gatekeepers, holding all the keys to the Internet, controlling all access, and only allow people to proceed if they approve of, and can charge a suitable fee for, said access.

Free market capitalism can produce good outcomes, but the for-profit corporation with legal status of a person and power to influence government is a toxin to society just as HIV or asbestos is to the body. They are sociopaths, and their press releases are always deceptive advertisements. A pretence of civic-minded motives on the part of a business is a sure sign of lying for profit.

It's sure heading that way... and it appears they want to "upgrade" the toxicity to the level of oh, say ingesting Cyanide.

This brings up an interesting related issue; That of Metered billing or overage charges. Once such a model is in place, their goals will have been greatly advanced, as "Consumers" will now be paying for information.... no matter who created it. In effect they will be able to profit off the works of everyone out there, without having to compensate anyone. They will make money by forcing you to pay for access to information. Even information you don't want. Man, what a cash cow that could be. The Toll-boothes on the Internet.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:43:54 EDT

SLD posted : Neither can you. That's why you keep spouting the same flawed P2P argument.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:36:00 EDT

swhx7 posted :

said by ninjatutle:Piracy will kill the internet as we know it...

said by KrK:No. Corporate greed will.

Well I try not to be so pessimistic, but it's threatening to.

If anyone doubts the parent post, look at the press release (again) and instead of the bits about piracy, notice the language. The whole concept of the internet assumed there is a totally commercial one. Citizens are called "consumers" and expected to pay for all the "content" they "consume", buying it from profit-oriented vendors. There is no room in this vision for any non-commercial communication, public interest, or non-exploitive human relationships.

Free market capitalism can produce good outcomes, but the for-profit corporation with legal status of a person and power to influence government is a toxin to society just as HIV or asbestos is to the body. They are sociopaths, and their press releases are always deceptive advertisements. A pretence of civic-minded motives on the part of a business is a sure sign of lying for profit.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:14:09 EDT

swhx7 posted :

said by ninjatutle:

Re: Piracy will kill the internet as we know it...

Actually, what astute readers can infer from the article is that the value of the internet is in danger of being killed by anti-piracy efforts.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:30:53 EDT

KrK posted : First, the piracy filters. Then the "Hate speech" filters. Then the "Patriotic" filters.... then the "Damage the Economy" filters.

Pretty soon, you'll either be in "Kiddie-Fun-Zone" walled garden internet.... or else you'll be a 'Terrorist' in the "illegal black market internet..."
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:28:17 EDT

KrK posted :

said by ninjatutle:

as we know it...

No. Corporate greed will.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:58:39 EDT

anon posted : excuze me poster child for the MAFIA or paid shill of the MAFIA. there are ways legal way to download massive amounts of data.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:51:51 EDT

stomp357 posted :

said by ninjatutle:

I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.

The P2P thieves can't handle the truth.

Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief? :uhh:

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:24:08 EDT

ja2007123 posted : Thanks Pirates, the Internet was good thing afterall.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:58:07 EDT

Doctor Four posted : ninjatutle is a well known anti-piracy/p2p troll around here. It has already been demonstrated time after time that it is impossible to stop p2p in any way, shape, or form. Yet the MAFIAA which he and others of his ilk seem to support keep spending millions of dollars on so-called "technology" like Audible Magic's Copy Sense, only to have them fail epically and utterly.

Filters will not stop copyright infringement online, nor can they differentiate between "legal" and "pirated" content, no matter what anyone may say to the contrary.

And losses to the industry from p2p are a drop in the bucket compared to those from bootlegging, which is far more common.
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:43:14 EDT

anon posted :

Yah, exactly!
Artists and software programmers don't deserve to be compensated for their work. I say copy/distribute their work and starve 'em to death!

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:17:15 EDT

chRoniX10 posted : Long live P2P...

This group wont do squat to curb p2p, just another big waste of money. No anti-piracy organization will be able to stop the growth of P2P which is the millions if not more...
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:11:40 EDT

Ian posted :

said by ninjatutle:

I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.

The P2P thieves can't handle the truth.

This has little to do with piracy and all to do with a stranglehold on commerce. Their press release is missing some text.

"...also aims to ensure that artists, creators and innovators can safely share their works through new online distribution channels that we, and only we control and profit from, with confidence that their right to earn fair compensation for their creativity is respected."

"Co-chair Mike McCurry emphasized that consumers are the biggest beneficiaries in the Arts+Labs' vision. He then could no longer hold his composure and burst out laughing."
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:58:44 EDT

ztmike posted :

said by osubuck :

No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer.

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Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:36:21 EDT

ninjatutle posted : I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.

The P2P thieves can't handle the truth.

Re: Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:31:16 EDT

anon posted : No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer.

Piracy will kill the internet

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:10:17 EDT

ninjatutle posted : as we know it...