 Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | reply to Wake up please
Re: I don't get it... said by Wake up please :
Send RST packets is NOT throttling, it is faking packets. But that's not what they are going to be doing. For all intents and purposes what the new system is is QOS, pretty much the same QOS you can do on most recent home routers. It doesn't look like it is going to send reset packets.
Basically if you're targeted and the system has the choice of sending your packet or someone else's it will send that other persons. Your packet is delayed but unless the system is really congested it shouldn't be for more than a split second.
The only time packets would be lost would be if there were so much congestion that the packet buffers on whatever machine is handling this became full; but in that case packets are going to be dropped whether or not you were low priority.
It would be nice if they could say, apply the lower priority classification to specific protocols (ie: place bulk transfers like Bittorrent in a lower priority than say streaming video or VOIP; which is basically how I have my m0n0wall router set up) but they can't since everyone will whine about Network Neutrality or whatnot.
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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2 edits | said by Combat Chuck:It would be nice if they could say, apply the lower priority classification to specific protocols (ie: place bulk transfers like Bittorrent in a lower priority than say streaming video or VOIP; which is basically how I have my m0n0wall router set up) but they can't since everyone will whine about Network Neutrality or whatnot. There is no NN issue if they let YOU control which packets go into which priority bucket.
The lower traffic class they're proposing is actually a very cool idea, suited for particular background tasks like file transfer, remote backups, and other non-time-sensitive stuff.
But, as you mentioned, to take advantage of this class, there are NN issues (as well as Standards issues) involved unless the user is doing the identification of the traffic (or specifically authorizing Comcast to do it). They -can- enable this, but such things take time. They're under a clock to change from the old RST method by the EOY.
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Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | said by funchords:They -can- enable this, but such things take time. They're under a clock to change from the old RST method by the EOY. What's driving me nuts is that people seem to be more concerned about the QOS than they were the packet resets. QOS is loads better than random resets. |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | said by Combat Chuck:said by funchords:They -can- enable this, but such things take time. They're under a clock to change from the old RST method by the EOY. What's driving me nuts is that people seem to be more concerned about the QOS than they were the packet resets. QOS is loads better than random resets. Some are objecting because they see "Forged Resets" vs. "the new QOS scheme" as a false choice, especially with a capped service (a fact many just learned).
Have you ever seen the commercial of the Comcast Powerboost guy running in the desert? To some customers, it must seem like seems like he's suffered two broken legs and a concussion. This premium service doesn't look so premium anymore.
Others are objecting because the RSTs never affected them. Still others think that the new effects will hit download in a big way (which I doubt it will). I'm objecting certain technical aspects but I think you're right about this being better targeted to congestion and about this being disclosed -- which permits discussions like this in the first place!
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