Re: Should have used... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21166503 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:26:47 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:26:47 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182828 rec9140 :
said by kamm See Profile :
Or Asus just leave it as it is, GSM-only, concentrating on the 3.2B-strong market instead of wasting a single cent on a 100M US and an additional ~300M worldwide (fractured in smaller markets) user market...


Well all 3.2B are NOT on UMTS/HSDPA are they? Not all GSM carriers have converted to 100% UMTS.....

So your potential is the UMTS/HSDPA SUBSET of those 3.2B users and the subset of data users in the US.

Those numbers will be a lot smaller than 3.2B. There maybe 3.2B GSM and UMTS users. Doesn't make it the better protocol from a technical standpoint. GSM is a dud protocol that has roots of a very non technical nature for its adoption.

Asus can sell to 100% of the market, or lop 50-60% of potential customers off by ignoring the US market and its mixed network environment. Like it or not selling products in the US is what makes companies A LOT OF $$$$ and $$$ is what makes it work. Can some products/companies not sell in the US and still make a profit and succeed?? SURE. The netbook arena will not be one of them.

US consumers and business make a up a large portion of the chunk of potential buyers and ignoring any one factor of them could have potentially deadly effects on your product.

Any product that would be sold as GSM/UMTS only product would be dead for most of the situations I deal with as 100% of them deal only with VZW, Sprint, Alltel, US Cellular .... all 100% CDMA. NOT ONE, ZERO, none, will touch ATT or TMobile. Suggesting to even use another would get you escorted out quite quickly.

Netbooks are on the evaluation table right now.... Any vendor not able to provide a EVDO based netbook, eliminated..... Suggesting to change to one of the HDSPA carriers ATT or TMobile.... career suicide. The ability to replace $1500-3000 laptops with a $400 netbook for what in all purpose is nothing but a terminal on the network???? I am think of some very specific applications that netbooks will fit into quite nicely for me and the savings potential is huge.

The network, plain and simple. Coverage, coverage, coverage. Then reliable, reliable, reliable. Reliable and Coverage??? VZW. Followed by the regional CDMA's and then lastly Sprint.

Show up to a gun fight with a plastic knife and you won't last long.

UMTS coverage in the US is pathetic either between the poor carrier ATT or lack of coverage TMobile.

Would I like to see one standard worldwide. Sure BUT I want a standard thats selected based on its actual performance and not 1930's isolationist and anti US BS. If Ericcson wants to come up with something that can step up to the RF table and show its merits ala [W]CDMA bring it on!

Personally I am not a fan of LTE which VZW is moving towards for 4G. It has some of the same baggage of GSM due to Voda, but from a technical standpoint has merits as well.

said by kamm See Profile :

... if I were Asus, I would stick with GSM and UMTS and forget CDMA.


If they use UMTS it WCDMA. Those 3.2B users once converted to UMTS will be in the CDMA column soon. GSM/EDGE is toast...
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said by rec9140 See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :
ASUS is probably thinking global rather than U.S. only.
GSM based networks have ~ 3.3 billion subs vs 465 million CDMA.
UMTS/WCDMA networks have more potential.
Stats sources = »www.cdg.org/technology/cdma_tech···tats.asp and www.gsmworld.com


Then Asus should either:

1) Create a EVDO model
2) Create a hsdpa model
3) Use a dual mode chip set that

You can either cut off sales by going single mode or account for it in the least cost method, dual mode chipset(s).
Or Asus just leave it as it is, GSM-only, concentrating on the 3.2B-strong market instead of wasting a single cent on a 100M US and an additional ~300M worldwide (fractured in smaller markets) user market...

... if I were Asus, I would stick with GSM and UMTS and forget CDMA.
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[/BQUOTE]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168561 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:19:40 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168518 kamm :
said by NOCMan See Profile :

There are over 100 Million CDMA subscribers in the US..
And in 2004 there were over 1 BILLION GSM users, by 2006 they were 2 BILLION strong and in April 2008 GSM surpassed 3 BILLION users...

...now I wonder which standard's market looks better for Asus? :uhh:
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Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.
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said by anonRRRR :

EVDO from either Verizon Wireless or Sprint PCS. Their high-speed EVDO Rev.A networks are faster then what AT&T and T-Mobile have for their HSDPA networks.
ROFLMAO - this has to be news for the rest of the HDSPA/HSUPA world, using their 7Mbit networks...
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[/BQUOTE]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168494 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:08:50 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21168238 rec9140 :
said by en102 See Profile :
ASUS is probably thinking global rather than U.S. only.
GSM based networks have ~ 3.3 billion subs vs 465 million CDMA.
UMTS/WCDMA networks have more potential.
Stats sources = »www.cdg.org/technology/cdma_tech···tats.asp and www.gsmworld.com


Then Asus should either:

1) Create a EVDO model
2) Create a hsdpa model
3) Use a dual mode chip set that

You can either cut off sales by going single mode or account for it in the least cost method, dual mode chipset(s).
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Looks like I must have been posting Sprint stats :D

I think the kicker is that globally
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167376 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:03:25 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167189 NOCMan : There are over 100 Million CDMA subscribers in the US..

Forget a few 0's or is that just Canadians :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21167189 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:29:55 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166888 iansltx : Verizon is the same way. But why not use Qualcomm's Gobi solution. It'll do both CDMA and GSM. From my experience, CDMA feels faster, at least where I've been with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166888 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:40:38 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166883 en102 : Good point... if the provider (CDMA) won't register your ESN, you're screwed. With SIM card, the card is provided by the carrier, and I'm going to assume the data card is unlocked (wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to lock it)
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166883 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:39:52 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166820 ninjatutle : I wouldn't want Sprint for an embedded service provider. They don't use sim cards. The business focused customer wouldn't have this as their main portable unit. Just as a supplementary unit. As with other devices with built in HSDPA, you can pop out the card and use it on your other device. With Sprint, (don't know about Verizon) you are tied, no sims. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166820 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:28:55 EDT Re: Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166503 S_engineer : It also carries 802.11/n on a Win XP platform, sounds alright. I build my own PCs using Asus mobo s, I wonder how their laptops are if this is a draft N integrated card?
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GSM based networks have ~ 3.3 billion subs vs 465 million CDMA.
UMTS/WCDMA networks have more potential.
Stats sources = »www.cdg.org/technology/cdma_tech···tats.asp and www.gsmworld.com
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166412 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:16:45 EDT Should have used... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166371 anon : EVDO from either Verizon Wireless or Sprint PCS. Their high-speed EVDO Rev.A networks are faster then what AT&T and T-Mobile have for their HSDPA networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21166371 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:08:57 EDT