AVonGauss
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Congress is considering doing something helpful and useful for the people? Are you sure the facts of the article are correct?
Levity aside, why the hell do ISPs believe they have a right to sell our usage data? Does that mean a telco or cell provider should be able to sell the numbers you call, how often and then target you for ads?
Your call will be connected shortly after a message from our sponsor... Wait, I am the customer, I am the sponsor. If anybody should be selling the data and receiving the profit, it is me. |
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Sammer
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| said by AVonGauss  :Levity aside, why the hell do ISPs believe they have a right to sell our usage data? Does that mean a telco or cell provider should be able to sell the numbers you call, how often and then target you for ads? Why you lowly peon don't you understand that the Almighty Dollar is their God. |
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said by AVonGauss :Levity aside, why the hell do ISPs believe they have a right to sell our usage data? Does that mean a telco or cell provider should be able to sell the numbers you call, how often and then target you for ads? How about because every industry you do business with does the same thing. Except for video rental places and health providers, which were prohibited by specific laws, your electric company, bank, loan company, electronic store, department store, etc all can sell your info to others for advertising purposes. They all allow OPT_OUT. But none of them have an OPT-IN policy.
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| said by TKJunkMail :How about because every industry you do business with does the same thing. Well all righty then. Let's board the "if every other industry does it it must be kosher" train and ride on down the tracks. We know when we let industry leaders do as they wish it all works out just swell.
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said by TKJunkMail :because every industry you do business with does the same thing. Except for video rental places Is that so? Is that a federal law?
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2 edits | said by funchords :said by TKJunkMail :because every industry you do business with does the same thing. Except for video rental places Is that so? Is that a federal law? Yes
»epic.org/privacy/vppa/
The HIPAA Act provides the same kind of specific privacy for health providers and insurers. Doctors, dentists, pharmacies, health insurers, hospitals, etc.
»www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/
»aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/pl104191.htm
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Washington, DC | VPPA is a very interesting example! Thanks TK! |
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Murrieta, CA | VPPA was put in place to protect politicians, it's just luck that it protects the rest of us too. |
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jc100
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First off, just because every industry does it, does not make it right. We left plenty of industries to go UNCHECKED and without regulation. I guess if you've watched the news, you've seen how well that worked out. Tax payers get a nice 700 billion raw deal to bail out these businesses, while the rest of us suffer and barely afford to live. Personally, my INFORMATION is private. If a company wishes to sell it WITHOUT my consent, then I have a beef. I pay the bill for their service, NOT vice versa. Now if they are going to give me their service for free, that's a different story. However, when I pay to use a place, I expect they protect my information accordingly. I'm amazed litigation lawyers haven't nailed the crap out of these companies for their lack of respect for customers.
P.S. Do you propose we stick black boxes in every car (actually these exist) and then use the data to sell your driving habits? I mean why not. Better yet, let's use this data in criminal / trial courts against you. Would you like that to happen. I'd imagine not. Then again, everyone else collects your data without consent, so why not just let it happen in other realms of our lives. Why not open ourselves up to this information being used against us legally in the future. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by jc100 :P.S. Do you propose we stick black boxes in every car (actually these exist) .... Better yet, let's use this data in criminal / trial courts against you. Would you like that to happen. I'd imagine not. It already is used in both criminal & civil trials.
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jc100
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Basically.
As for TK junk Mail, NO those black boxes are NOT used at trials. Please cite me proof where they have been? While they are used to recreate an accident (can tell speed and such) MANY older cars DO NOT have them.
»money.cnn.com/2006/08/22/autos/e···ndex.htm
Read this, they are used to reconstruct accidents, but are not a tell tale sign of everything that happened. Matter of fact THEY HAVE TO BE DISCLOSED in the owner manual and MANY states have made laws forbidding / limiting the use of their information in many cases. |
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| EDR data has been accepted as evidence in some courts for both civil & criminal cases. And not in other courts - it depends on the jurisdiction. So my claim that the data is used is correct.
»www.jlolaw.com/Articles/AutoDiag···ules.pdf
»www.harristechnical.com/cdr7.htm
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dnoyeB
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I think telcos got busted for this a few years ago. They actually were selling your calling history to the buying public too. Online no less.
And when I say busted I mean exposed, not punished.
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jc100
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Actually, it's been HIGHLY REGULATED by state laws. THE EDR only serves as ONE of many factors in recreating an accident. ANY CAR with an EDR HAS to disclose that to the owner. Last count 64 percent of cars have them, BUT here's the winner you missed. 36 percent don't and OWNERS HAVE A CHOICE to go with one lacking this unit. So yes, there's a BIG DIFFERENCE. Consumer choice. IE HAVING to OPT IN similar to this article VS being forced to "OPT OUT". SWISH. |
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