BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to pspcrazy
Re: Wow
said by pspcrazy  :Yea welcome to BBR land of people who think the only thing p2p is used for is piracy lol. Yes yes we all know you need to download 1 TB worth of Linux distros every month.
Plus their not thieves even if it's stolen content, their copyright infringers. The original disk is still in the hand of the owner. Um still a crime last time I checked. Kind of like saying a guy who robbed a convenience store with a knife is somehow less of criminal than someone that used a gun.
Point is people shouldn't be taking or "copyng" anything without paying for it first. If someone's job doesn't pay enough that they can't afford a $15 DVD then maybe getting a copy of Iron man isn't ther most pressing need. As I alyways say, if you can afford a computer and you can afford internet access you can afford your content. |
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dirtwarrior
join:2008-03-21
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Most thieves are your kids, and adults whith no lifes. and thats about half of all internet users. secondly there's so much content on the NET it's a pain in the ass knowing whats legal for download and whats not legal. seriously ohh and it's not my fault or your's it's are governments fault ehh lol. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
1 edit | said by dirtwarrior :secondly there's so much content on the NET it's a pain in the ass knowing whats legal for download and whats not legal. Oh please. If you're downloading a movie or TV show or song on bitorent and you are not paying for it that is for SALE at other places then it's pretty obvious what you are doing is illegal.
When you walk into wal-mart I'm pretty sure you can tell the diference between the free smaples and the actual product. You'd have to be close to actual mental reatrdation to not know the differnce between legal and illegal content on the net. |
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dirtwarrior
join:2008-03-21 | really yeah wal-mart is not the internet for one. an lets say you sign up at a movie download website, only to find out the whole time the site was illegal see my point. |
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deminicus
join:2003-01-09
Norristown, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to BF69
Kind of like saying a guy who robbed a convenience store with a knife is somehow less of criminal than someone that used a gun.
I would say that still is a bit extreme. I would say it's not stealing at all but classify it as copying without permission(may be treated the same in terms of penalties). Since you are not taking anything, you are actually just not paying for I would call fair usage rights since it's all virtual content.
The tough part is how to equate damages. If you copied a song but would never would have purchased if stealing/copying was impossible then in reality the artist would never see any profit regardless. If you would buy the song if you couldn't copy it then the stealing label is easier to attach since the artist is loosing the sale. I know it's impossible to prove which case the person actually fits into, and that's one reason why this is a tough but interesting issue.
The thing that I found really ridiculous is the incredibly over inflated damages the record industry is seeking. Technically the only damage if stealing was proved is the loss of the sale for fair usage rights of the content. I agree that some penalty has to be added for committing a crime(assume a clear definition of what constitutes stealing "usage rights" is created) and also legal costs. With that added up it should still be a fraction of what they are actually daring to ask.
This is how I see the issue as of this post.
cheers |
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psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX
| reply to dirtwarrior
Use some damned sense. You think some Russian website that hosts movies that have just been released yesterday is on the up and up?
For every person that is using P2P for "legit" uses, like the aforementioned terabyte of Linux ISOs, there are 1000 more that use it for warez/pr0n. And even the pr0n is a second to the sheer amount of warez out there.
People here need to quit deluding themselves. P2P's main function is the dissemination of pirate media, be it software, music, or movies. To say otherwise is just plain stupid.
That being said, there are plenty of legit uses of P2P. Ignoring the dubious business model that relies on getting software out to others not through their own OC12 but through everyone else's pipes, saving said company MILLIONS in bandwidth charges, there has to be a better way to send this data. Perhaps a client that only moves legit content, with headers marked as so. |
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dirtwarrior
join:2008-03-21 | what about the kids. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to deminicus
said by deminicus :The tough part is how to equate damages. If you copied a song but would never would have purchased if stealing/copying was impossible then in reality the artist would never see any profit regardless. Not wanting to pay for something isn't an excuse for stealing( or copying )it. Using that excuse I could copy anything and if they came after me just say "Well I wasn't going to pay for it anyways so you didn't lose anything" And they ARE losing something because as soon as "intent not to pay" becomes a legitimate excuse to copy without paying then no one will pay.
If I pay $15 for a downloaded movie from Amazon then some freeloader shouldn't get it for free just because he didn't feel like paying.
Damages are simple to figure out. 3X the cost plus court costs. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to dirtwarrior
said by dirtwarrior :an lets say you sign up at a movie download website, only to find out the whole time the site was illegal see my point. Oh please. You are not that stupid are you?
"Gee I wonder if this apple.com is legit? I'm not sure about amazon.com. It might be a ripoff. Freemovies.ru yeah that looks legit." |
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psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX
| reply to dirtwarrior
I say F the children, metaphorically of course. 
I'm sick of that argument too. I don't have children. I am restricted from buying a perfectly legal beverage around my town because some kids MIGHT try to buy beer. You know what, if they are buying it, maybe perhaps someone should have thought twice than selling to obvious children. And once again, going back to the argument about P2P, the one teen attempting to buy beer is just a drop in the bucket compared to over 21 friends/thievery/swiping from parents. A beer store doesn't open up and all of a sudden every teen in the area is lined up attempting to buy beer.
Have some damn common sense.
If kids are accessing sites that you have no knowledge about, then you failed as a parent, and deserve whatever you get. You don't leave your wireless open, therefore don't leave your network wide open if you don't want people to access stuff.
God gave us filters, learn to use them. If I can block it in a corporate environment, anyone can certainly do it in a home. |
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dirtwarrior
join:2008-03-21
·Verizon FIOS
| well thats true but most parents dont give ah fuck what there kids do. all parents will say they do but lets face it its hard nowadays to tell a 16 year old what to do you no it in so do I an further more most kids teens whatever dont have jobs and that higher's the rate for theft. and I do have common snse way more then this whole site combined. |
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