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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by TKJunkMail :Davis had instructed (.pdf) the jury last year that the recording industry did not have to prove anybody downloaded the songs from Thomas' open Kazaa share folder. Davis read Jury Instruction No. 15 to jurors saying they could find unauthorized distribution -- copyright infringement -- if Thomas was "making copyrighted sound recordings available" over a peer-to-peer network "regardless of whether actual distribution has been shown."
But Davis had second thoughts and, without any urging from the litigants in the case, summoned the parties back to his courtroom in August, writing in a brief order that he may have committed a "manifest error of the law." He heard arguments from both sides and said he would issue a ruling soon.
With Wednesday's opinion, Davis made his revised position official and ordered a retrial -- one with different jury instructions. Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. Sounds more like considering all the facts in the case and changing one's mind. When a court higher than him found that the RIAA had to prove file sharing actually took place, declaring a manifest error is the right thing to do. -- Linux Haters Unite! | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. Dude! Let go of the right-wing talking point...the judge did the right thing. | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by cjski :said by TKJunkMail :Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. Dude! Let go of the right-wing talking point...the judge did the right thing. How is his position right wing? I am a right winger and I totally disagree with him.  -- "Where's my coffee? Oh. I guess it's my turn to make it."  | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by Jovi :How is his position right wing? I am a right winger and I totally disagree with him. Because debating in your country has degenerated so much that it now consists entirely of calling your opponent a crazy left winger or a facist right winger (depending on what you are). | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by kamm :He's not a right-wing person, I agree - he's an ultra-right-wing corporate extremist Yeah, or he could be someone with a different opinion than you have. It's amazing how afraid we are of questioning our own beliefs, as if someone who disagrees with us will somehow make us wrong. | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by james :said by kamm :He's not a right-wing person, I agree - he's an ultra-right-wing corporate extremist Yeah, or he could be someone with a different opinion than you have. Ummm WTF? How is it relevant here? There are a lot of different views here yet non has been declared such a corporate-licker one like his ones.
It's amazing how afraid we are of questioning our own beliefs, as if someone who disagrees with us will somehow make us wrong. It's amazing when someone with obviously little or zero clue about his track record jumps in and starts posting empty cliches confidently... how about reading up a little bit?  -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE] | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by kamm :It's amazing when someone with obviously little or zero clue about his track record jumps in and starts posting empty cliches confidently... how about reading up a little bit? It's amazing how every time I defend TK, people accuse me of not knowing "his track record". Yeah, I know what his opinion is, I read it almost every day. I even disagree with him in almost every post he makes, and I take the time to argue with him sometimes.
Maybe instead of acting like an immature dunce, you could try stringing a few sentences together without resorting to ad hominem arguments to prove your point.
Remember kamm, if you were taking flack on a regular basis for giving your opinion I would be sticking up for you too, regardless of whether or not I agree with said opinion. | |
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| said by Jovi :said by cjski :said by TKJunkMail :Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. Dude! Let go of the right-wing talking point...the judge did the right thing. How is his position right wing? I am a right winger and I totally disagree with him. Corporate shill fits him much better.  | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :With Wednesday's opinion, Davis made his revised position official and ordered a retrial -- one with different jury instructions. Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. If the judge did not correct his error the decision would have been overturned if the case were appealed. Rather than cause the accused additional cost to file the appeal the judge corrected his error. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. A) why you would be FOR teh RIAA is beyond me.
B) get off your neo-con crap. If a conservative judge gauges injudical activism you're all for it because he sides with you. You just don't call it that. So you have situatinal ethics and are alos a hypocrite.
The FACT is that he made a BAD call in the trial and he corrected himself. Nohting wrong with that.
I'm all for getting pirates and illegal downloaders. What I am again is the RIAA and PAA and whomever deciding that things like PROOF are not needed. And just ASSUMING one did something illegal is proof enough. Also the ammounts they want pre violation are redicoulous.
Funny how people like you are for caps on medical malpratice lawsuits when a person has actualy be injured or killed, but when a company wants to sue some poor slob that barely make minimum wage $150,000 per song, somehow that's ok. Songs are 99 cents. So for example if someone steals 100 songs that should be $99 and then triple the damages as allowed by law, so that would be $297. Also since that person would have lost he pays the court costs. No need for a million lawsuit against someone that obviously won't make that much in 25 years. Meanwhile some dude in China is making 100,000 DVD rips of movies still in theaters and has his family in the US sell them at flea markets and the media companies do nothing. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. Reversing himself when he realized he was wrong seems to be the mark of a decent judge, not an "activist".
But enjoy your "paid-per-crap-comment" checks from the RIAA while they last. I won't fault you for trying to make a buck in this economy, even if you had to sell your soul to satin to do it. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/2x 2048Mb G.Skill/Seagate 750.10/EVGA 8800GT's SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler | |
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1 edit | said by TKJunkMail :Reversing himself without any prompting from either participant in the case is almost by definition an example of judicial activism. I followed this one pretty closely, there were several defects in the process and -- post verdict -- that contrary "making available" decision that just made one of the trial defects glare.
Something had to be done. RIAA, of course, was still lawyered up but the defendant was just out there hanging, minus lawyer at one point. And she did request a new trial as well as a lower penalty.
$220,000 is crazy high -- perhaps $500,000 after legal fees are awarded. (Of course if she's found responsible in retrial, the legal fees will likely be doubled.) -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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| Because in TK Junkmail's mind, any time a Judge does something he agrees with, it's a good call. Go against that belief, and it's judicial activism. You sound like amigo and pnh. All three of you have no clue. If it weren't for judges making decisions, and being open to review, bad rulings would stay on the books. Then again, I guess in all three of your minds, people NEVER make mistakes. Maybe this judge felt his decision was incorrect, seeing how higher courts gave a dissent to his ruling. Upon reading it, he found error and deemed a review necessary. That couldn't be it though, right? It's all down to your buzz word of Judicial Activism. If you were Amigo, it'd be self styled freedom fighter. Pnh hasn't started his own redundant word. I'm sure it'll get to that point though. | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge any time a Judge does something he agrees with, it's a good call. Go against that belief, and it's judicial activism. I'm not sure if I'm not guilty of that from time to time. seeing how higher courts gave a dissent to his ruling. Actually, the other court (which I do think was also a higher court, but I'm not sure if it was in its line of precedent such that it would affect) made its finding on another case -- but it was literally within a 1-3 months of the Jammie Thomas case.
I admire him for saying, "hey, looks like I was wrong" here. Too many people try to deflect responsibility. Ignoring it and waiting for an appeal would have been the easiest thing to do. He made the harder choice. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge Well at least in threads I haven't found your buzz word. Maybe I have forgotten it, as it doesn't stand out. As for being wrong, that's funny coming from you, amigo, and tk junk mail who tend to fail miserably at proving dissenting views incorrect when presented with insurmountable facts. Then again, wrong in your 3 minds is subjective considering it's your views or no views. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: Perfect example of an activist judge One can imagine. It takes a lot of effort to concoct "proof" that neither exists or proves anything. That's a full time job in itself. Yet, notwithstanding, you pull it off. | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by jc100 :One can imagine. It takes a lot of effort to concoct "proof" that neither exists or proves anything. That's a full time job in itself. Yet, notwithstanding, you pull it off. I know. I am very good at what I do. I would dare say I rank among the very best. -- "At the moment of conception." | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :Wow Tk, you are getting beat up pretty bad. I hope you have thick skin man. I consider the source and just shake my head. It is just the "Peanut Gallery" spewing their usual flames because they are incapable of discourse without resulting to insults. It is a really bad reflection on the state of our education system when what they post is the height of their debating skills. I think its always better when what people post is the height of their debating skills. The fact that those skills may or may not be any good is the reflection on our education system. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/2x 2048Mb G.Skill/Seagate 750.10/EVGA 8800GT's SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler | |
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| Considering you're usually wrong and proven such. Remember that last debate... Ya... You were grasping for straws trying to hinge on words that you knew weren't there. Then again, I guess you must have faith that proof falls from the sky. It definitely takes courage to be WRONG so many times and convince yourself otherwise. Then again, I'm not sure if that's faith or something else... | |
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| Re: Perfect example of an activist judge said by digitalfreak :Hey now! TK is never wrong, just misunderstood. You have that backwards. I understand TK perfectly, I just think he/she is wrong. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/2x 2048Mb G.Skill/Seagate 750.10/EVGA 8800GT's SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler | |
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