| Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part Bush White House threatened a veto if that part of the act wasn't removed from the bill.
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 Mactronel Camino RealPremium
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CM94sv | WoW some common sense from the Bush Whitehouse ?..  
"Civil copyright enforcement has always been the responsibility and prerogative of private copyright holders, and U.S. law already provides them with effective legal tools to protect their rights," the Justice Department and Commerce Department wrote.
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The whole bill should have been vetoed. We don't need bigger gov't to service as private police for racketeers like the RIAA. |
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| said by Dogfather:The whole bill should have been vetoed. We don't need bigger gov't to service as private police for racketeers like the RIAA. The gov't isn't protecting RIAA. It is protecting "intellectual property" rights of many industries. And "intellectual property" makes up a larger and larger part of the US GDP and an even larger part of our exports. It is helping protect our economy from pirates.
said by DrModem:Train other countries?! WTFriggingheck? Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports.
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1 edit | Here's where you are wrong TK.. Are you ever Right (nope)?. Tax Payer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It' is THEIR JOB, NOT tax payers to do that... So yes, this is Big Government and Big Brother again. This time from the Democrats. Usually, it's been from the far right, but the left is starting their own stupidity. I'm amazed Bush was the one with COMMON SENSE here. This must be an alternate reality when I hear that said. |
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There already is IP law and it's already enforced. We don't need bigger government and more bureaucrats to serve as private police because corporations bought off some politicians.
If the gov't actually wanted to deal with IP crimes they could do so tomorrow. We run an ever increasing trade deficit with countries like China. Raise tariffs based on their human rights and IP violations and you will see China get IP crime under control tomorrow. This is no different than claiming that the Patriot Act is to keep us safe while the gov't keeps the borders wide open because corporations love the slave labor. It's typical gov't double-speak and corruption...this time just more bullshit ass kissing of corporations by their lapdogs in Congress and as usual you sign on to it. |
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But when the RIAA actually has to go to court and do their own dirty work they lose. So they have to buy off Congress to do it for them. |
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said by jc100: Tax Payer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It' is THEIR JOB, NOT tax payers to do that. The US government has been protecting the US economy, especially where foreign trade is concerned, since the US was founded. Read a little history before making invalid claims.
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1 edit | Oh yeah, our EXPLODING trade deficit and decimation of our manufacturing sectors through outsourcing is proof the Federal gov't is protecting the US economy. Yep, kissing the ass of corporate interests has our economy in excellent shape. Everything is AWESOME.
What horsecrap. |
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1 edit | said by Dogfather:Oh yeah, our EXPLODING trade deficit and decimation of our manufacturing sectors through outsourcing is proof the Federal gov't is protecting the US economy. What horsecrap. You are commenting on the governments ability to do a GOOD job. NOT on their responsibility to do the job at all. The job needs doing. It just needs to be done better. Maybe the new law will help them do that.
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Re: Thank Senator Wyden for killing the "Govt suing infring... Nice try, but that had nothing to do with the provision being dropped - the Democratic controlled Senate Judiciary committee couldn't care less about what the Bush Administration wanted. Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), Author of the Internet Tax ban, Section 230 of the CDA, Net Neutrality and Net radio champion, held up the bill until that section was removed. There are actually good sections of the bill (basically focused on preventing dangerous counterfeits of physical goods) but the civil enforcement provision would have been a disaster for the Internet.
It's nice how TK wants to claim credit for the Republicans, but unless they actually went and hit someone with that letter they sent, the Bush administration had about as much impact on this issue as an arthritic chicken. |
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| said by JSM88:Nice try, but that had nothing to do with the provision being dropped - the Democratic controlled Senate Judiciary committee couldn't care less about what the Bush Administration wanted. Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), Author of the Internet Tax ban, Section 230 of the CDA, Net Neutrality and Net radio champion, held up the bill until that section was removed. There are actually good sections of the bill (basically focused on preventing dangerous counterfeits of physical goods) but the civil enforcement provision would have been a disaster for the Internet. It's nice how TK wants to claim credit for the Republicans, but unless they actually went and hit someone with that letter they sent, the Bush administration had about as much impact on this issue as an arthritic chicken. That is your opinion. The press disagrees with you.
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Falls Church, VA | nope, just the facts. Unlike your team, I don't think the truth is relative. |
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Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part Bush finally did something smart.
and this is a total total waste of my tax dollars.
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More pro-corproate laws and bigger gov't aren't a solution. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:The gov't isn't protecting RIAA. It is protecting "intellectual property" rights of many industries. And "intellectual property" makes up a larger and larger part of the US GDP and an even larger part of our exports. Yep. I mean we've already given up our manufacturing base, and we're giving up our Tech industry base, and lately even some of our service base.
We've got to have SOMETHING left, or America will end up in debt and bankrupt... Oh wait... 
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While i agree with you TK that GOVT has the responsibility I have little faith that this new bill will actually result in them DOING a good job. IF there were bigger penalties for those in Congress, Judicial, and enforcement then I might have some faith. But until you see them held to the same standards that our military is held to (98% do The Right Thing and are held to it)then nothing will change. And onestly its do to a degradation of the morals of society. Things that are acceptable to the majority today would not have been tolerated 50 years ago.
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| said by bear73:While i agree with you TK that GOVT has the responsibility I have little faith that this new bill will actually result in them DOING a good job. IF there were bigger penalties for those in Congress, Judicial, and enforcement then I might have some faith. But until you see them held to the same standards that our military is held to (98% do The Right Thing and are held to it)then nothing will change. And onestly its do to a degradation of the morals of society. Things that are acceptable to the majority today would not have been tolerated 50 years ago. I agree with you that the job isn't being done well. But I strongly disagree with those(like some above) that say since the job is hard to do and has been done badly, that it shouldn't be done at all. That makes the situation 10x worse. But there are many who think lack of morals and anarchy are a preferred way to operate in.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to fAcEtIOUs
maybe we do lack some of the older morals today but i also think the MPAA and RIAA are also at fault for p2p piracy. they did a full frontal attack on napster and then took nearly a decade to respect that digital delivery without DRM is logical and what the people want. and if you cant provide people what they want in this digital age then someone else is able to. moral or not.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports. Even if the foreign laws of intellectual property rights are different than US Laws?
Tell me TK are they gonna teach foreign companies US law or their own laws? If that's the case what laws are going to be more supreme, the laws of the US or the laws of the foreign country that the US companies choose to do business in?
I think foreign countries know their laws pretty well. After all, they did pass them. The last thing any foreign country want is some other country coming in and "training" them what the foreign country's laws are and it should be done their way. Many countries would consider that a threat of their sovereignty.
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