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said by Nightshade  :said by TKJunkMail :Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports. Even if the foreign laws of intellectual property rights are different than US Laws? Tell me TK are they gonna teach foreign companies US law or their own laws? If that's the case what laws are going to be more supreme, the laws of the US or the laws of the foreign country that the US companies choose to do business in? I think foreign countries know their laws pretty well. After all, they did pass them. The last thing any foreign country want is some other country coming in and training them what the foreign country's laws are and it should be done their way. Many countries would consider that a threat of their sovereignty. And the education part is to get them(countries) to strengthen their laws and show that it is often in their own intellectual property industries interests to do so and that reciprocity benefits all.
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That's not entirely true - there are certain cases where protecting the IP of a private company is important to the government, but music and movies certainly does NOT fit that bill. I don't see the incentive for other countries to go along with this though, afterall it isn't their economy being hurt by the piracy - and given the tactics thusly employed by the RIAA/MPAA I don't care if piracy even slows down as long as they're around. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Nightshade :said by TKJunkMail :Yes, train other countries. Because it helps to get foreign countries to enforce laws protecting "intellectual property" rights of US companies and helps protect a large part of US exports. Even if the foreign laws of intellectual property rights are different than US Laws? Tell me TK are they gonna teach foreign companies US law or their own laws? If that's the case what laws are going to be more supreme, the laws of the US or the laws of the foreign country that the US companies choose to do business in? I think foreign countries know their laws pretty well. After all, they did pass them. The last thing any foreign country want is some other country coming in and training them what the foreign country's laws are and it should be done their way. Many countries would consider that a threat of their sovereignty. And the education part is to get them(countries) to strengthen their laws and show that it is often in their own intellectual property industries interests to do so and that reciprocity benefits all. American laws are way way too strong atm though. it is totally unreasonable that current copyrights last nearly 100 years after the death of the artist. i could support Copyright more if it lasted say only 15-20 years from the creation of the media. in other words making it more similar to a drug patent.
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Protecting the economy is NOT what this bill does. It protects PRIVATE CORPORATE interests at the expense of the Tax Payer. You bitch and bitch about big government, then support this law? Seriously, WHY SHOULD MY MONEY be spent to ensure PRIVATE interests. If you ran a car dealership, is it the cities duty to make sure it doesn't get broken into? Should they station a cop there 24 hours a day / 7 days a week JUST for your business? That's exactly what the RIAA is getting. A 24/7 Private police force that TAX PAYERS are footing the bill for. Police in a community protect everything , NOT JUST ONE asset. We're paying for this PRIVATE COMPANY to have their own force. What a joke. You can't justify it and there's nothing that you will say that will give justification. Go ahead and try. There's a huge difference between setting up an organization to see EVERYONE'S interests versus dedicating it to ONE SPECIFIC entity. Either way, tax payers shouldn't foot the bill on something like this pet project. End of story. |
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So let's see. If you can't do it right, you should still try anyway? That works well. I mean hell, we got Iraq. We messed that one up, but YAY WE TRIED. Everyone in DSLREPORTS give us a cheer. Give me a break dude. Do you read what you write, or just type so you get responses out of us? Things need to be planned and executed and the cost weighed. With our economy going to SHIT, and taxpayers spending 700 billion PROBABLY, these PET PROJECTS are the last thing we need. Americans are losing their houses, jobs, etc. We don't need to be protecting corporate interests at our expense. IT IS THEIR JOB to protect THEIR PROPERTY. |
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So wait, America should TELL THE WORLD HOW TO ACT? Isn't that why we are HATED enough already? We try to tell everybody everything. Just because we have laws here, DOES NOT MEAN others have to abide by them. You my friend don't think before you type. Every country is SOVEREIGN and free to choose their legal system without OUR interference. |
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said by jc100 :It protects PRIVATE CORPORATE interests ... WHY SHOULD MY MONEY be spent to ensure PRIVATE interests. I know I can talk until I am blue in the face and you will NEVER get it or agree, but the law is to protect all IP(intellectual property) and not just the RIAA or MPAA. And protecting Corporate interests also protects about 75% of the US economy. Don't like that? Too bad.
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1 edit | Protecting Intellectual Property is ONE THING. However, that is still PRIVATE ENTITY and the FBI is already there to do that. We do NOT need to spend MORE BILLIONS to set up separate departments to do the job. We already got ENOUGH FAILURE on their part. Can we say 9/11 anyone. Our money doesn't need to be further SQUANDERED to facilitate someone else's BUSINESS.
READ ABOVE. If you owned 10 car lots in 10 states, SHOULD TAX PAYERS cover the cost of stationing a 24/7 police officer there to make sure you CARS ARE NOT STOLEN. After all, your business HELPS the economy too. So let's just have EVERY BUSINESS get PRIVATE PROTECTION that OUR money is used for. That's what you are advocating on a GRANDER SCALE.
THERE'S no difference here. Private companies are responsible for THEIR OWN INTERESTS. Case closed. |
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said by jc100 :So let's see. If you can't do it right, you should still try anyway? You're right. We should capitulate and allow our society and economy to further degrade. That will help the situation. The US wasn't founded on the attitude of "hey, I didn't do it right the first time so I'm going to give up". But then again, maybe that attitude has allowed our country to get where it is today. |
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said by jc100 :If you owned 10 car lots in 10 states, SHOULD TAX PAYERS cover the cost of stationing a 24/7 police officer there to make sure you CARS ARE NOT STOLEN. After all, your business HELPS the economy too. But we do use tax revenue to fund and support law enforcement...to include protecting your 10 car lots. What am I missing? |
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said by openbox9 :The US wasn't founded on the attitude of "hey, I didn't do it right the first time so I'm going to give up". But then again, maybe that attitude has allowed our country to get where it is today. But that is the attitude of so many of the slackers that now are in school or unemployed. Just give up; watch videos on the internet or listen to the stolen music on their iPods.
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That will stop it from passing for four or five months. Is there a position on this bill by Senator Obama or Senator McCain?
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said by jc100 :This time from the Democrats. Usually, it's been from the far right, but the left is starting their own stupidity.  They started their own stupidity in the '30s!
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Stolen Music?
Just like walmart is about to do to paying customers?
Steal what has already been paid for.
Yea TK.. The government always looks out for the citizens, i mean look at our universal health care, oh wait we blew all that cash in iraq.
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said by pandora :That will stop it from passing for four or five months. Is there a position on this bill by Senator Obama or Senator McCain? The Senate passed it with the offending section removed. The House is expected to take it up today or tomorrow.
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said by TKJunkMail :And the education part is to get them(countries) to strengthen their laws and show that it is often in their own intellectual property industries interests to do so and that reciprocity benefits all. Really good theory but reality I would think dictates otherwise. This is especially true when our world reputation isn't the best in the world right now (not that I all care too much what the world thinks of us) and this could be seen by other countries as just another way of us interfering in their culture and ideals as a sovereign nation. Two of the worst offenders of our copyright laws are Russia and China. Is this czar going to go to Russia and China and "educate" them about our laws? That should be a good laugh. The thought of "thanks, but no thanks" comes to mind with these two countries.
Besides, who's to say that our copyright and intellectual property rights should be the world standard? Has us, as a nation, become that egotistical and naive to think what is good for the goose is also good for the gander? This thinking always does more harm than good and history and current events prove this time and time again.
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we are probally one of the few countries in which a Corpse gets royalties for 75 years.
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| said by Kearnstd :we are probally one of the few countries in which a Corpse gets royalties for 75 years. The corpse doesn't. The ESTATE of the corpse does. |
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said by jc100 :Here's where you are wrong TK.. Are you ever Right (nope)?. Tax Payer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It' is THEIR JOB, NOT tax payers to do that... Tell that to the $700bln+ bail-out plan on the table!
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