Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part
Thomas Edison's estate isnt collecting anything on the Light Bulb anymore, why should Mickey Mouse still be making Royalties for walt's estate for example.
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to TKJunkMail
Copyright infringement isn't theft, it's copyright infringement. But thanks for the sensationalism. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
2 edits | reply to openbox9
Not my 10 car lot. it was an example. Law enforcement is there to protect COMMUNITY interests as a WHOLE. Police are NOT there to serve as 24/7 security to one individual. Look at it like this. Tax payers in X city foot the bill so police can patrol a city and stop crime. Yet, they DO NOT spend their entire day stationed at one area permanently. We are now paying for the RIAA at tax payers expense to have their OWN private police force that DO NOT do anything but handle intellectual property crimes. My example with the car deal is that the CITY POLICE are there to protect everyone's stuff. They are not just dedicated to the car dealer.
Hence, this is a mismanagement of tax payer money. It is the car dealer's job to set up security to protest HIS OWN INTERESTS. It is HIS BUSINESS after all. While the police patrol a neighborbood, he is not going to stay at that persons business every day all day. Hence, in this case, why should tax payers be footing the bill for the RIAA to have someone watching their stuff every day, all day, WHEN every other business does NOT get this luxury. Would you want tax payers to hire a cop for EVERY PRIVATE owned company so they EACH get 24/7 security too? Simply put, should Pizza Hut, McDonalds, and every millions of other corporations get a private cop stationed 24/7 to make sure no one robs or steals? I bet you'd say no. So show me why the RIAA does. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Russia and China aren't going to listen to our Demands? I'm shocked...(Enter shocked look of McCully Caulkin via Home Alone). Anyway, sarcasm aside, you're right. The world hates us enough and I don't think they give two craps about what we want them to do and don't do. Russia took APPROPRIATE action against Georgia even as we didn't want them too (our interests are in Georgia via Oil / Caspian Sea). Yet, Russia has a mind of it's own. The same for China and it's Human Rights.. We call them names but trade with them like trading was going out of style. |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
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but from what i can tell, the bill is focused more on protecting the 'IP' of the entertainment industry than protecting the IP of companies like Intel, 3com, GE, Boeing, Cisco, etc.. i always seem to seem to come across articles on how NBC, RIAA, MPAA, or some crappy singer (or some manager to a whiny, crappy band in the case of U2) on how people 'stealinz there philez'. i don't have any respect or pitty for the entertainment industry as they rake in millions of dollars by any means necessary to pay people that don't contribute a lot of good for society and when they do produce something, all it is is just the same old crap (or good made into crap) in a different packaging. last time i checked, america got to where it is today because of engineers, scientists, people in the high technology scene, and the like. the entertainment industry didn't develop that pushed america (or any other country) ahead. i think the entertainment industry has become a cancer upon society that needs to be put into check. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
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IP is a concern for more than just the RIAA. Take your blinders off and expand your vision a little.
Following on your auto dealership example, does the owner of the dealership have authority to pursue and punish a perpetrator that takes one of his/her vehicles without permission? No, that's what law enforcement is for. Sure, it is incumbent upon the dealership owner to maintain a security system to deter theft, but I can't think of any security system that will prevent theft. Allowing individuals to pursue and punish perpetrators leads to lawlessness, disorder and with international IP concerns, almost impossible recourse. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to Kearnstd
There's a difference between patents and copyrights. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Actually IP is no different. Your IP should only be obtained if through a COURT order and a crime proven. Rulings by recent courts have shown that MAKING AVAILABLE is NOT a crime. One must prove downloading occurred. The RIAA has yet to win a single case now. All their wins have been out of court settlements. As for other crimes, I've got no problems using the CURRENT legal channels. FBI obtains court order. However, the FBI should NOT be working to serve the interests of ONE GROUP/
As per car dealer example, you miss the point. Cops are CITY officials paid to protect everyone. THey are NOT there to sit at EVERY BUSINESS 24/7 as personal security to EVERY business. Tax payers wouldn't appreciate if Pizza Hut, McDonalds, etc each had their OWN full day cop at TAX PAYERS expense. As per leaving the lot, YES the dealer own COULD follow and make a citizens arrest. Otherwise, he could shoot the dumb fuck for trespassing depending on the state where he / she lives. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to joako
Which I HIGHLY DISAGREE WITH.... HIGHLY and I'm a Democrat per / Independent per say... |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
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said by TKJunkMail  :The corpse doesn't. The ESTATE of the corpse does. Yeah, and all that does is stifle progress by further extending IP protections longer than they should. IP protections should end when the creator dies. The spouses and kids of the creator should not be allowed to mooch off of the work of the writer, songwriter, designer, etc. The SOONER things are placed in the public domain, the better.
I know for sure that if I wrote a book or a song that sold millions of copies, I would want it to go into the public domain when I keeled over. Let my kids work for their money, not rely on dear old pops' talent or hard work (hello Martin Luther King's family!).
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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well the family should get a fscking job. why should progress be stopped so the Estate can get free money for the next 75 years.
i pirate music by dead artists without any guilt, they are dead so what does it matter.
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
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said by Kearnstd :American laws are way way too strong atm though. it is totally unreasonable that current copyrights last nearly 100 years after the death of the artist. i could support Copyright more if it lasted say only 15-20 years from the creation of the media. in other words making it more similar to a drug patent. Actually its 70 years after the death of the author/artist or 90 years for a corporation. While it will never be as short as 20 years copyrights longer than 50 years have created a major problem. The vast majority of copyrighted works will never make it to the public domain because copies deteriorate or have been destroyed after 50 years. IOW most of the copyrighted works over 50 years old that make it to the public domain will be the result of infringement. |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
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said by openbox9 :Following on your auto dealership example, does the owner of the dealership have authority to pursue and punish a perpetrator that takes one of his/her vehicles without permission? No, that's what law enforcement is for. Law enforcement is an entire system. The auto dealership has the right to make a citizen's arrest, and to press criminal charge against the alleged perpetrator; and may even be able to afford a private security agency with the power of arrest on his premises.
The RIAA pretty much has been employing similar techniques, hiring agents who monitor P2P activity, and provide information toward complaints. They don't need to have the DoJ acting as their private security agents; they already have their own, in Media Sentry, and the like.
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axgupta1
join:2005-02-13
Mechanicsburg, PA
 ·Comcast
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Aren't there enough laws already to protect IP? What about copyright laws, DMCA? Are you saying that 75% of our economy is IP? It should be in very good shape now if that is the case since our IP is pretty safe. Unfortunately, the stock market doesn't seem to agree with your definition of 75% of economy. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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I'm glad you expanded your vision beyond the RIAA.
Back to the car dealership. Law enforcement exists to maintain peace and protect life and property. As such, law enforcement agencies will protect the car dealership to the greatest extent possible. It is still incumbent on the dealership to protect their assets as much as possible, e.g. security cameras, private security, etc. But in the event that the dealership's security measures aren't sufficient, engaging a law enforcement agency is necessary to retrieve the property and prosecute those who have taken it without permission.
Have you ever made a citizen's arrest? I wouldn't place the security of the dealership's vehicles in a citizen's arrest. As for "shooting the dumb fuck", that's great if you don't mind going to prison for manslaughter. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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the DMCA is in violation of copyright law imo. it makes things illegal which are still legal. US Copyright Law says i can copy DVDs for personal use. the DMCA says i cant because i have to break the encryption.
its like setting a speed limit of 75, auto makers putting a 55mph governor on cars and another law making it illegal to remove the device. that is the DMCA.
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uid1307457
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join:2005-12-30
Tempe, AZ
·Qwest.net
·Convergent Interne..
 ·DIRECTV
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Dogfather :Oh yeah, our EXPLODING trade deficit and decimation of our manufacturing sectors through outsourcing is proof the Federal gov't is protecting the US economy. What horsecrap. You are commenting on the governments ability to do a GOOD job. NOT on their responsibility to do the job at all. The job needs doing. It just needs to be done better. Maybe the new law will help them do that. wow, I actually agree with that statement. |
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Nightshade
sic semper tyrannis
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join:2002-05-26
Salem, OR
2 edits | reply to TKJunkMail
Where are you getting your corporate interests protects 75% of the US economy, when small businesses have produced half of the GDP of the US?
In a recent study of 16 major industrial sectors, the share of GDP accounted for by small employers held steady at 50 percent over a seven-year period, ranging from 18 percent in the information sector to 85 percent in other services, the agency said. Source: »www.inc.com/news/briefs/200704/0416gdp.html
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to jc100
IP = intellectual property, JC. Try to follow along with the class  |
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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Universal healthcare ha...It took 5 weeks to get into see my family doctor that's the legacy of universal healthcare. Seriously are people still pushing for that down in the States?
By-the-by and going back to topic, I'd suggest going for a CD levy down there. |
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