Topic 'Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part' in forum ''

Topic 'Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21177527 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:08:15 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:08:15 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21190244 said by Mashiki:

It took 5 weeks to get into see my family doctor that's the legacy of universal healthcare. Just an aside, even here in the US, I have had to wait that long to see my neurologist at the time and, on occasion, a little over three months to see my PCP. This isn't a community clinic, but a private foundation hospital with an EXCELLENT reputation.

said by Mashiki:

By-the-by and going back to topic, I'd suggest going for a CD levy down there.

Not sure if you are kidding or not, but a CD levy addresses the problem from the wrong angle, especially when you consider that most infringement is not done with physical media. It might have made sense back before everyone had high speed internet and still relied on copying discs.
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That is why we have something called private security guards and not public police to do the dirty work for the private corps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21190162 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:28:06 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21186686
The porn industry will find protection under the IPEC. Your previous comment was "should the porn interest have a smut czar?" and my retort was that they will with IPEC.

If you think I missed my point and proved yours, then our discussion is done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21186686 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:44:53 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21186592
As for the porn industry, their job is to protect copyright and the actors. However, they work FOR the industry as a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. The same as the MPAA / RIAA. Neither are government funded.

See how you are missing the point? Why shouldn't these organizations FUND THEIR OWN POLICE / Copyright Czars instead of the tax payer footing the bill. Notice once again, these organizations are FUNDED BY THE INDUSTRY THEMSELVES. So their enforcement should stay that way and NOT BURDEN tax payers.

I think you were missing the ENTIRE POINT and did a fantastic job of proving mine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21186592 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:26:59 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185663 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185663 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:12:57 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185349 said by Kearnstd:

well the family should get a fscking job. why should progress be stopped so the Estate can get free money for the next 75 years.

i pirate music by dead artists without any guilt, they are dead so what does it matter.
Uh oh. TK will be turning you in to his corporate masters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185349 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:53:31 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185328 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185328 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:47:48 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185320 said by major marco:

said by openbox9:

IP is a concern for more than just the RIAA. Take your blinders off and expand your vision a little.

Yes, it is a concern of mine. As a photographer, I've had my images used by Big Bu$ine$$ but never received a dime for the publication despite my copyright. Where is MY U.S. government assigned/taxpayer financed private police force to enforce MY copyright? I would like the feebs to protect my Intellectual Property rights, after all, my images contribute to the economy in that monies received enable me to spend locally as well as nationally. My side photography business is good for the economy, but the feebs won't help me. Just the **AAs.
They won't help you because you aren't funneling millions of dollars into their wallets like the **AAs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185320 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:45:50 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185274 said by Mactron:

WoW some common sense from the Bush Whitehouse ?.. :o ;)
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21185274 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:28:37 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21182813 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21182813 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:49:52 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181969
I do agree with your statement that taxpayers do not need to fund more government. I do believe that we should be reducing the government's size and rid it of waste.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181969 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:42:09 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181910
Also, I realize it has to do with a bigger picture. The point still stands. Should Pizza Hut / Mcdonalds get a food Czar to protect their interest? Should the Porn interest have a Smut Czar? All these contribute to the economy as well. Tax payers do not need to be funding MORE programs, especially if their purpose is to serve a SINGLE industry versus that of everyone. Let's face it, this is being created SOLELY for the MPAA / RIAA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181910 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:26:29 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181897 said by major marco:

Where is MY U.S. government assigned/taxpayer financed private police force to enforce MY copyright?Since the IPEC is an executive position and funded by taxes, it isn't a private police force. I don't understand why this misunderstanding continues to be repeated. The IPEC position was just established and the POTUS hasn't nominated anybody for the position yet. Even after an appointment is confirmed, the IPEC has 12 months from the date the bill was passed to develop a Joint Strategic plan against counterfeiting and infringement. So, your assistance is coming, it's just not here yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181897 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:22:54 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181657 said by openbox9:

IP is a concern for more than just the RIAA. Take your blinders off and expand your vision a little.

Yes, it is a concern of mine. As a photographer, I've had my images used by Big Bu$ine$$ but never received a dime for the publication despite my copyright. Where is MY U.S. government assigned/taxpayer financed private police force to enforce MY copyright? I would like the feebs to protect my Intellectual Property rights, after all, my images contribute to the economy in that monies received enable me to spend locally as well as nationally. My side photography business is good for the economy, but the feebs won't help me. Just the **AAs.
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You're missing the bigger picture. Just as the $700B economic plan serves a much larger role than bailing out a few banks, protecting IP interests in the US and around the world serves a much larger economic role than placing money in the **AA executives' pockets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21181264 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:09:36 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180814
For example, take the recent project ReAnimated. A group of artists and filmmakers took the film Night Of The Living Dead and broke it up into pieces. Using the original film soundtrack (music, dialogue, etc.) each piece was then animated in a different style, creating a very cool and (for the most part) very interesting retake on a classic horror film that is relevant to many people because it was a part of our lives growing up or because it's a recent enough part of our cultural heritage as to still resonate with many folks.

This project would not be have been legally possible if the film was not in the public domain (and the creators of ReAnimated are planning to sell the film on a for-profit basis). So here we have a whole group of folks profiting and participating in a small bit of economic stimulus far beyond what the original work's creators could have enjoyed themselves.

And this is a perfect example of EXACTLY the reason copyright laws were created by the founding fathers: encourage a creation with the promise of financial reward, then after enjoying a brief period of profit, pass the work onto the culture at large and allow others to use it for THEIR gain also (kinda like cultural recycling *grin*).

To play with these ideas further, let's look at Mickey Mouse, one of the primary reasons for the Sonny Bono extension from '96. Disney would have a cow if Mickey Mouse were to fall into the public domain tomorrow. Why? Do they really think folks will stop buying mouse ears at Disneyland? Nonsense. Are they concerned about protecting Mickey's artistic legacy? Ridiculous. Mickey's a freakin' picture and his legacy will be just fine. Besides, I doubt for one minute that Disney is more concerned with doing anything other than making money.

But let's look at the broader scope. If Mickey were in the public domain, many folks would suddenly be free to create all sorts of Mickey-themed items that will earn them money and help stimulate the economy. Multiply this by all the other creations that should be in the public domain and we have a very large opportunity for creative and financial growth that we currently do not. BUT...rather then allow a large group of folks to profit from this situation, the current laws allow the owners of a single company--OWNERS WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MICKEY'S CREATION--to continue to get paid for it. Heck, that sounds great!! When I die, please forward my paychecks on to my family for the next ninety years...Wow, talk about a pension plan!

It's bad enough that such freedoms for the majority were taken away solely to benefit a very, very tiny minority, but to then reallocate our already troubled, overburdened judicial, legal and community resources in FURTHER protecting that minority is to me, unconscionable. When the government has fixed the economy, wiped the Iraqi mess off our loafers (Hey! Stop tracking that mess in my living room!) and repaired our other crumbling infrastructures, then I might not have a problem with them creating a copyright czar.

No, actually, I'll have as big of a problem with it then, also.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180814 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:45:06 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180722 said by jc100:

When Democrats are in, both go down. Strange, ay =).
Ah. So let's just kill all the Republicans, and the right wingers, and be done with it.
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Here's where you are wrong TK.. Are you ever Right (nope)?. Tax Payer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It' is THEIR JOB, NOT tax payers to do that... (snip) So when there's a fire at the factory, the fire department shouldn't respond, because taxpayer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of corporations?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180476 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:04:45 EDT Re: Thank Senator Wyden for killing the "Govt suing infring... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Senator-Wyden-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infring-21180291
A real capitalist wouldn't care about major labels & studios and just let the old business model die and I guaranty there will be money to be made from what rises from the ashes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Senator-Wyden-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infring-21180291 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:03:32 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180563 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180563 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:49:32 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180466 said by ThrowDemsOut:

said by openbox9:

The US wasn't founded on the attitude of "hey, I didn't do it right the first time so I'm going to give up". But then again, maybe that attitude has allowed our country to get where it is today.

But that is the attitude of so many of the slackers that now are in school or unemployed. Just give up; watch videos on the internet or listen to the stolen music on their iPods.
Sorry I have to disagree with having a bigger government role. The current system works. There is the DMCA and it is enforceable once a person is caught. To make the FBI now go after people seems like more money spent in the wrong direction the US has other issues.

Terrorism is more of a threat to the US then copyright intriguers.

Artists can sue or the RIAA has sued and done much to make people aware of illegal downloads even suing them.

Now tax dollars via:FBI will educate other countries.

Why not the RIAA and the like spend there money on catching the people responsible, but no spend US tax dollars not like the US already has financial issues lets just throw that in the 700 Billion bailout and call it an ear mark.

If someone takes your property then you take them to court.

It has always been that way.

Why should the Elite few (artists) get special help from the FBI when the RIAA has enough money to track down illegal file sharing?

Waste of money and politically motivated by lobbyist's, as usual pay someone in office to pass a bill.

EDIT: FYI the FBI goes after Drug dealers along with state and local authorities because Drugs are priority to them.

Does the FBI stop people from taking drugs or deter them?

Answer: NO, people still do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180466 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:19:15 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180423
As I said above, should we have a Fast Food Restaurant Czar to ensure fast food joints aren't robbed and no one uses their logos? Should car dealers get a Car Czar to make sure their vehicles are not stolen or subject to theft? Hell, the tax payers are a cash cow. Let's fund EVERYONE who cannot work to serve their own needs. Why have private corporations if tax payers are LEFT WITH THE BILL. IE 700 Billion economy bail out. This merger of OUR (Tax Payer interests) and Corporate seems to be blurring together. I DONT RECALL HAVING A HAND IN THEIR BUSINESS or SEEING the profits. Now if the MPAA / RIAA want to cut each and every tax payer a check + interest in the future, then that would be a different story. Until then, my money shouldn't be used to serve theirs or anyone elses interests.

As for a citizen's arrest, they are perfectly legal. Have I made one no. Is shooting the "dumb fuck" legal, YES. I'm from Ohio and our law says if anyone breaks into your property, you have a right to protect it. Now, I moved to Texas and the laws here are a LOT MORE RELAXED. You trespass onto someone's property, (don't even have to enter a building, just be on the grass), and THEY HAVE 100 percent legal right to take your life. I said it once, and I'll say it twice, every state is different. Yet, most afford you the right to protect your own property. This moral and ethical argument behind this is another matter. I'm just stating the law as it is in the two places I've lived.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180423 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:04:21 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180393 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180393 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:56:40 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180351
By-the-by and going back to topic, I'd suggest going for a CD levy down there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180351 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:43:47 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180309 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180309 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:29:36 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180238

In a recent study of 16 major industrial sectors, the share of GDP accounted for by small employers held steady at 50 percent over a seven-year period, ranging from 18 percent in the information sector to 85 percent in other services, the agency said.

Source: »www.inc.com/news/briefs/200704/0416gdp.html

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said by Dogfather:

Oh yeah, our EXPLODING trade deficit and decimation of our manufacturing sectors through outsourcing is proof the Federal gov't is protecting the US economy.

What horsecrap.

You are commenting on the governments ability to do a GOOD job. NOT on their responsibility to do the job at all. The job needs doing. It just needs to be done better. Maybe the new law will help them do that.
wow, I actually agree with that statement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21180048 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:24:06 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179993
its like setting a speed limit of 75, auto makers putting a 55mph governor on cars and another law making it illegal to remove the device. that is the DMCA.
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Back to the car dealership. Law enforcement exists to maintain peace and protect life and property. As such, law enforcement agencies will protect the car dealership to the greatest extent possible. It is still incumbent on the dealership to protect their assets as much as possible, e.g. security cameras, private security, etc. But in the event that the dealership's security measures aren't sufficient, engaging a law enforcement agency is necessary to retrieve the property and prosecute those who have taken it without permission.

Have you ever made a citizen's arrest? I wouldn't place the security of the dealership's vehicles in a citizen's arrest. As for "shooting the dumb fuck", that's great if you don't mind going to prison for manslaughter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179862 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:36:05 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179412 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179412 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:42:53 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179387 said by openbox9:

Following on your auto dealership example, does the owner of the dealership have authority to pursue and punish a perpetrator that takes one of his/her vehicles without permission? No, that's what law enforcement is for.
Law enforcement is an entire system. The auto dealership has the right to make a citizen's arrest, and to press criminal charge against the alleged perpetrator; and may even be able to afford a private security agency with the power of arrest on his premises.

The RIAA pretty much has been employing similar techniques, hiring agents who monitor P2P activity, and provide information toward complaints. They don't need to have the DoJ acting as their private security agents; they already have their own, in Media Sentry, and the like.
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American laws are way way too strong atm though. it is totally unreasonable that current copyrights last nearly 100 years after the death of the artist. i could support Copyright more if it lasted say only 15-20 years from the creation of the media. in other words making it more similar to a drug patent.
Actually its 70 years after the death of the author/artist or 90 years for a corporation. While it will never be as short as 20 years copyrights longer than 50 years have created a major problem. The vast majority of copyrighted works will never make it to the public domain because copies deteriorate or have been destroyed after 50 years. IOW most of the copyrighted works over 50 years old that make it to the public domain will be the result of infringement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179144 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:22:47 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179137
i pirate music by dead artists without any guilt, they are dead so what does it matter.
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The corpse doesn't. The ESTATE of the corpse does. Yeah, and all that does is stifle progress by further extending IP protections longer than they should. IP protections should end when the creator dies. The spouses and kids of the creator should not be allowed to mooch off of the work of the writer, songwriter, designer, etc. The SOONER things are placed in the public domain, the better.

I know for sure that if I wrote a book or a song that sold millions of copies, I would want it to go into the public domain when I keeled over. Let my kids work for their money, not rely on dear old pops' talent or hard work (hello Martin Luther King's family!).
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Eleven years of carrying The Clue Bat...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21179011 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:43:42 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178979 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178979 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:31:15 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178841
As per car dealer example, you miss the point. Cops are CITY officials paid to protect everyone. THey are NOT there to sit at EVERY BUSINESS 24/7 as personal security to EVERY business. Tax payers wouldn't appreciate if Pizza Hut, McDonalds, etc each had their OWN full day cop at TAX PAYERS expense. As per leaving the lot, YES the dealer own COULD follow and make a citizens arrest. Otherwise, he could shoot the dumb fuck for trespassing depending on the state where he / she lives.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178841 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:53:38 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178707 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178707 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:13:52 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178693
Following on your auto dealership example, does the owner of the dealership have authority to pursue and punish a perpetrator that takes one of his/her vehicles without permission? No, that's what law enforcement is for. Sure, it is incumbent upon the dealership owner to maintain a security system to deter theft, but I can't think of any security system that will prevent theft. Allowing individuals to pursue and punish perpetrators leads to lawlessness, disorder and with international IP concerns, almost impossible recourse.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178693 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:08:19 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178673 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178673 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:02:18 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178648 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178648 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:56:45 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178612
Hence, this is a mismanagement of tax payer money. It is the car dealer's job to set up security to protest HIS OWN INTERESTS. It is HIS BUSINESS after all. While the police patrol a neighborbood, he is not going to stay at that persons business every day all day. Hence, in this case, why should tax payers be footing the bill for the RIAA to have someone watching their stuff every day, all day, WHEN every other business does NOT get this luxury. Would you want tax payers to hire a cop for EVERY PRIVATE owned company so they EACH get 24/7 security too? Simply put, should Pizza Hut, McDonalds, and every millions of other corporations get a private cop stationed 24/7 to make sure no one robs or steals? I bet you'd say no. So show me why the RIAA does.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178612 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:44:58 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178557 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178557 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:33:28 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178549 --
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178549 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:32:24 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178530 said by jc100:

Here's where you are wrong TK.. Are you ever Right (nope)?. Tax Payer money shouldn't be used to protect the interests of PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. It' is THEIR JOB, NOT tax payers to do that... Tell that to the $700bln+ bail-out plan on the table!
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09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178530 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:28:04 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178529 said by Kearnstd:

we are probally one of the few countries in which a Corpse gets royalties for 75 years.
The corpse doesn't. The ESTATE of the corpse does.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178529 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:27:25 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178443 --
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178443 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:04:48 EDT Re: Thank Bush for killing the "Govt suing infringers" part http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Thank-Bush-for-killing-the-Govt-suing-infringers-part-21178432 said by ThrowDemsOut:

And the education part is to get them(countries) to strengthen their laws and show that it is often in their own intellectual property industries interests to do so and that reciprocity benefits all.Really good theory but reality I would think dictates otherwise. This is especially true when our world reputation isn't the best in the world right now (not that I all care too much what the world thinks of us) and this could be seen by other countries as just another way of us interfering in their culture and ideals as a sovereign nation. Two of the worst offenders of our copyright laws are Russia and China. Is this czar going to go to Russia and China and "educate" them about our laws? That should be a good laugh. The thought of "thanks, but no thanks" comes to mind with these two countries.

Besides, who's to say that our copyright and intellectual property rights should be the world standard? Has us, as a nation, become that egotistical and naive to think what is good for the goose is also good for the gander? This thinking always does more harm than good and history and current events prove this time and time again.
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

Bush White House threatened a veto if that part of the act wasn't removed from the bill.
»blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/0···tra.html

That will stop it from passing for four or five months. Is there a position on this bill by Senator Obama or Senator McCain?
The Senate passed it with the offending section removed. The House is expected to take it up today or tomorrow.
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