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Re: Everyone Rides For Free! said by pnh102:So on top of being paid to not grow things, getting subsidies for crops that are selling at record prices, as well as below-legal-market-cost labor provided by swarms of illegals, rural areas still need more free money for broadband? I love we, as consumers of farm products, don't get these production cost discounts passed on down to us in the form of lower prices for food (and now fuel because we are dumb enough to grow fuel). 1.Obviously, you don't live in a rural area, I do. I was born and raised in an urban area of L.A., so I can speak for both sides of this fence.
2.Your post is full of a lot of propaganda, but few concrete facts backed by actual data.
3.You either haven't learned or refuse to learn about rural America and it's needs.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by RR Conductor:1.Obviously, you don't live in a rural area. How does my residence impact the facts I have presented?
said by RR Conductor:2.Your post is full of a lot of propaganda, but few concrete facts backed by actual data. So farmers don't get paid to not grow things, don't get subsidies for crops that are selling at record prices, and don't hire illegals because they are cheaper than legals?
said by RR Conductor:3.You either don't or refuse to learn about rural America and it's needs. It sounds like quite the money pit!
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part of this issue is the subsidies for large agribusiness concerns, along with numerous loopholes that allow them to get these huge subsidies. I'm pretty sure ADM doesn't need subsidies:
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As a report of the libertarian Cato Institute puts it, "The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers."
I don't mind supporting the "family" farmer, but strict conditions and limits need to be set to ensure support goes to those that really need it.
like most govt programs, the farm bill addresses political needs, not agricultural needs, and the biggest benefits go to those that lobby the most. |
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said by pnh102:It sounds like quite the money pit! Nah, the real money pit is Wall Street. 
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Mount Airy, MD | said by extreme50:Nah, the real money pit is Wall Street. They're all money pits. It sickens me to see "rabid capitalists" become commies once their little financial schemes fail.
We should just hang up the old soviet flag all over Wall Street. That's exactly what they have become.
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said by nasadude:I don't mind supporting the "family" farmer, but strict conditions and limits need to be set to ensure support goes to those that really need it. I agree with you completely. I would probably not have a problem supporting a family farmer, even if it meant higher food prices and no subsidies.
However, agribusiness is a huge enough welfare queen as it stands now. They don't need any more help from the taxpayer.
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said by pnh102:said by RR Conductor:1.Obviously, you don't live in a rural area. How does my residence impact the facts I have presented? said by RR Conductor:2.Your post is full of a lot of propaganda, but few concrete facts backed by actual data. So farmers don't get paid to not grow things, don't get subsidies for crops that are selling at record prices, and don't hire illegals because they are cheaper than legals? said by RR Conductor:3.You either don't or refuse to learn about rural America and it's needs. It sounds like quite the money pit! 1) They are not facts, just spin on what some farmers get, not all of them by far.
2) A big urban legend, some farmers only get paid not to grow things when there is an over supply, but the farmer can not grow anything else. A farmer in a certain location/climate can't change to a different crop because it takes different machinery, different growing cycles for rain, climate, etc. It would be like asking a car manufacturer to stop producing cars and start producing airplanes just for that year, then start making cars again next year.
3) Farming has the same problem as the other business; corporate or personal greed. You don't see a lot of mom & pop farms because they tend to be under one corporate umbrella. If you start a farm and have a bad year, you either let the bank come take everything or you sell off. So even though you have a bunch of farms everywhere, they might all be owned by the same food company. When that happens, then you get into the illegal workers and illegal/questionable methods of growing for maximum profit. Farming is a very complex and it has high risks due to the sheer size and effort needed to raise and harvest a good crop.
The long standing stereotype of the red neck riding around on the tractor growing crops are better left for Hollywood. Everything seems to think you just plunk some seeds in the ground, water it and everything just magically makes it your supermarket afterwards, but it couldn't be farther from the truth.
As someone who grew up on the farm and moved to the city after high school, I know that the stress of being a farmer for one week would take out any CEO hotshot at a fortune 500 company. 
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Everyone is having trouble these days including the farmers. We met this one guy that spends 90k a year and only gets 85k back. He does it because he wants to. If it wasn't for his well that he sold some rights to the water company awhile back, he wouldnt be making it. Hes losing 5k a year just so he can get corn on our tables. You might not be grateful of what you got but alot of people are. |
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