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1 edit |  Why not just as a part of the census?
They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt |
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| said by bobjohnson  :They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt No thanks. The census is already a bloated, intrusive joke. Did you take a good look at the last one--since when does income, job occupation and all the other irrelevant questions that were asked qualify as a census? Last time I checked the Constitution, a "census" measured one thing: head count. Leave me alone. Measure BB penetration the old fashioned way. Use some of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that has already been pissed away on other "studies." |
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| said by SilverSurfer :No thanks. The census is already a bloated, intrusive joke. Did you take a good look at the last one--since when does income, job occupation and all the other irrelevant questions that were asked qualify as a census? Since it is useful to know that information. Where do you think information like median income or level of education come from, thin air? You might believe that data to be irrelevant, but contrary to what you believe, it is very important.
And last I checked, those question about income and education are completely voluntary.
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said by bobjohnson :They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt I would worry a little about overloading the census, but I like this idea very much.
It serves a couple of purposes in a very even-handed way. For example, how many residences have access to broadband vs. how many individuals do. Families and roommate situations tend to skew the numbers this way and that.
Good idea, Bob!
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| said by funchords :said by bobjohnson :They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt I would worry a little about overloading the census, but I like this idea very much. It serves a couple of purposes in a very even-handed way. For example, how many residences have access to broadband vs. how many individuals do. Families and roommate situations tend to skew the numbers this way and that. Good idea, Bob! If the companies aren't cooperating then it's just one more box that narrows it down to at least 95% accuracy (Some people don't know what they have or have access to.) Then send a few foot soldiers on the taxpayers dime instead of the other ideas
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said by NetAdmin :And last I checked, those question about income and education are completely voluntary. Clearly, you didn't read through the legalese thoroughly. No part of the last census was voluntary. Further, all those cute little "thin air" stats you mentioned can be just as easily ascertained via other channels, not the census since same was not ever set up to collect the other data which you seek.
Unless and until the Constitution to is amended by a 2/3rds vote, the census shall remain what it was originally set up to do: Count heads. |
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SilverSurfer is right about the mandatory part. Refusing or neglecting to answer is $100 fine, lying is $500. (13USC221)
This was the list of 2000 topics.
# Introduction
Includes: Federal Agency Abbreviations, Federal Users of Census Data; and Index to Questions Planned for Census 2000
# Basic Facts About Us
Includes: Age*; Gender*; Relationship*; Marital Status; Race*; Hispanic Origin*
# Income and Employment
Includes: Income; Labor Force Status; Industry, Occupation, and Class of Worker; Work Status Last Year; Veteran Status
# Transportation
Includes: Place of Work and Journey to Work; Vehicles Available
# Education
Includes: Education: Enrollment and Attainment
# Origins and Languages
Includes: Ancestry; Place of Birth, Citizenship, and Year of Entry; Language Spoken at Home
# Where We Move
Includes: Residence 5 Years Ago
# Disability and Caregivers
Includes: Disability; Grandparents as Caregivers
# Housing: Physical Characteristics
Includes: Year Structure Built; Units in Structure; Rooms; Bedrooms; Kitchen Facilities; Telephone Service Available; House Heating Fuel; Year Moved into Unit; Farm Residence
# Housing: Financial Characteristics
Includes: Tenure*; Value; Selected Monthly Owner Costs (Shelter Costs); Rent
»www.census.gov/dmd/www/content.htm
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said by SilverSurfer :Unless and until the Constitution to is amended by a 2/3rds vote, the census shall remain what it was originally set up to do: Count heads. Contrary that statement, the Constitution does permit the Census to do more than count heads... Read the actual text of the document:
Representation and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers ... . The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. See that part that says "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct" ? That basically means that Congress can, via legislation, add or subtract from the Census questions and information gathered. The Constitution only states that the Census MUST count people, but it does not prohibit or disallow further information to be gathered.
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| said by NetAdmin :See that part that says "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct" ? That basically means that Congress can, via legislation, add or subtract from the Census questions and information gathered. Right. Operative words here: ...shall by law direct... What is the section of the federal body of statutes that specifically states that Congre$$ had added on the irrelevant questions in the Census? Oh that's right, they didn't. Those questions were added just because the whores' corporate masters wanted the data. |
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| said by SilverSurfer :What is the section of the federal body of statutes that specifically states that Congre$$ had added on the irrelevant questions in the Census? Oh that's right, they didn't. Check again.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_13_o···tes_Code
And see the section called legal mandate at »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta···s_Bureau
And you keep repeating that the statistics gathered are irrelevant... Maybe to you, but not to people who do policy and other types of research.
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