Re: Why not just as a part of the census? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21187522 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:14:14 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:14:14 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193205 NetAdmin :
said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

What is the section of the federal body of statutes that specifically states that Congre$$ had added on the irrelevant questions in the Census? Oh that's right, they didn't.
Check again.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_13_o···tes_Code

And see the section called legal mandate at »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta···s_Bureau

And you keep repeating that the statistics gathered are irrelevant... Maybe to you, but not to people who do policy and other types of research.
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said by NetAdmin See Profile :

See that part that says "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct" ? That basically means that Congress can, via legislation, add or subtract from the Census questions and information gathered.
Right. Operative words here: ...shall by law direct... What is the section of the federal body of statutes that specifically states that Congre$$ had added on the irrelevant questions in the Census? Oh that's right, they didn't. Those questions were added just because the whores' corporate masters wanted the data. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21192323 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:59:33 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21188586 NetAdmin :
said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

Unless and until the Constitution to is amended by a 2/3rds vote, the census shall remain what it was originally set up to do: Count heads.
Contrary that statement, the Constitution does permit the Census to do more than count heads... Read the actual text of the document:

Representation and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers ... . The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
See that part that says "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct" ? That basically means that Congress can, via legislation, add or subtract from the Census questions and information gathered. The Constitution only states that the Census MUST count people, but it does not prohibit or disallow further information to be gathered.
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Eleven years of carrying The Clue Bat...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21188586 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:33:57 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187522 funchords : SilverSurfer is right about the mandatory part. Refusing or neglecting to answer is $100 fine, lying is $500. (13USC221)

This was the list of 2000 topics.

# Introduction

Includes: Federal Agency Abbreviations, Federal Users of Census Data; and Index to Questions Planned for Census 2000

# Basic Facts About Us

Includes: Age*; Gender*; Relationship*; Marital Status; Race*; Hispanic Origin*

# Income and Employment

Includes: Income; Labor Force Status; Industry, Occupation, and Class of Worker; Work Status Last Year; Veteran Status

# Transportation

Includes: Place of Work and Journey to Work; Vehicles Available

# Education

Includes: Education: Enrollment and Attainment

# Origins and Languages

Includes: Ancestry; Place of Birth, Citizenship, and Year of Entry; Language Spoken at Home

# Where We Move

Includes: Residence 5 Years Ago

# Disability and Caregivers

Includes: Disability; Grandparents as Caregivers

# Housing: Physical Characteristics

Includes: Year Structure Built; Units in Structure; Rooms; Bedrooms; Kitchen Facilities; Telephone Service Available; House Heating Fuel; Year Moved into Unit; Farm Residence

# Housing: Financial Characteristics

Includes: Tenure*; Value; Selected Monthly Owner Costs (Shelter Costs); Rent

»www.census.gov/dmd/www/content.htm
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187522 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:30:39 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187450 SilverSurfer :
said by NetAdmin See Profile :

And last I checked, those question about income and education are completely voluntary.
Clearly, you didn't read through the legalese thoroughly. No part of the last census was voluntary. Further, all those cute little "thin air" stats you mentioned can be just as easily ascertained via other channels, not the census since same was not ever set up to collect the other data which you seek.

Unless and until the Constitution to is amended by a 2/3rds vote, the census shall remain what it was originally set up to do: Count heads.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187450 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:15:57 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187394 bobjohnson :
said by funchords See Profile :

said by bobjohnson See Profile :

They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt
I would worry a little about overloading the census, but I like this idea very much.

It serves a couple of purposes in a very even-handed way. For example, how many residences have access to broadband vs. how many individuals do. Families and roommate situations tend to skew the numbers this way and that.

Good idea, Bob!
If the companies aren't cooperating then it's just one more box that narrows it down to at least 95% accuracy (Some people don't know what they have or have access to.) Then send a few foot soldiers on the taxpayers dime instead of the other ideas
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187394 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:06:20 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187367 funchords :
said by bobjohnson See Profile :

They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt
I would worry a little about overloading the census, but I like this idea very much.

It serves a couple of purposes in a very even-handed way. For example, how many residences have access to broadband vs. how many individuals do. Families and roommate situations tend to skew the numbers this way and that.

Good idea, Bob!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187367 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:02:52 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187135 NetAdmin :
said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

No thanks. The census is already a bloated, intrusive joke. Did you take a good look at the last one--since when does income, job occupation and all the other irrelevant questions that were asked qualify as a census?
Since it is useful to know that information. Where do you think information like median income or level of education come from, thin air? You might believe that data to be irrelevant, but contrary to what you believe, it is very important.

And last I checked, those question about income and education are completely voluntary.
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Eleven years of carrying The Clue Bat...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187135 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:21:02 EDT Re: Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21186883 SilverSurfer :
said by bobjohnson See Profile :

They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt
No thanks. The census is already a bloated, intrusive joke. Did you take a good look at the last one--since when does income, job occupation and all the other irrelevant questions that were asked qualify as a census? Last time I checked the Constitution, a "census" measured one thing: head count. Leave me alone. Measure BB penetration the old fashioned way. Use some of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that has already been pissed away on other "studies." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21186883 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:27:29 EDT Why not just as a part of the census? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21186788 bobjohnson : They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21186788 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:03:55 EDT