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davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
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reply to majortom1029

Re: hmm

In Japan, they're working on 1 Gbps Upload and Download to people's homes...here we squabble over Mbps/Kbps and ridiculous caps...it's shameful and embarrassing.

The Telcos/Cablecos should be collectively fined out of existence and all their assets seized for deliberately sabotaging our abilities to compete.


majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
kudos:1

Yes and they dont have a huge country to get wires across. ITs easier to wire a 300 appartmet complex then to wire 300 individual houses.



battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
reply to davidl

A little math for you. What's cheaper to wire? An area the size of the United States or an area the size of Montana.


davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

Pffff...they also have 1/3 the population of North America and less than 1/3 of the GDP.

I'd pay $2,000/$3,000 up front for gigabit access to an internet connected network that's not interfered with by the telcos/cablecos and their ulterior motives of trying to charge me by the byte like minutes on a cell phone.



battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

They also have an urban population density of 12,500 people per square mile where we have 2,900 people per square mile.

In our current economy you try and sell your neighbors on spending $2-3k plus monthly recurring for a connection that they will not even use 10% of.


davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

Yeah, until there's some 'gottahaveit' service developed...then there'll be a stampede.

Unfortunately, the 'gottahaveit' service won't get developed because the telcos/cablecos want us to keep watching their crappy TV.

And it's not like it has to be started from scratch...a lot of the infrastructure is already there.



FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

said by davidl:

Unfortunately, the 'gottahaveit' service won't get developed because the telcos/cablecos want us to keep watching their crappy TV.
And exactly what great video is developed FOR the internet that is better than that on "crappy TV"? Nothing I have seen(YouTube uploads by idiot slackers with time on their hands?). The video on the internet that people watch are the same shows that are on TV.
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88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

1 recommendation

reply to battleop

said by battleop:

A little math for you. What's cheaper to wire? An area the size of the United States or an area the size of Montana.
Explan why the state of Rhode Island can only average 6.7 Mbps then instead of 100 Mbps? Because Rhode Island is 1/150 the size of Japan and has 20% more people per suqare mile. So this whole "the US is big and that's why we don't have the speeds" excuse is crap. We can't even do our smallest state which is in fact smaller than many COUNTIES.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

said by davidl:

Unfortunately, the 'gottahaveit' service won't get developed because the telcos/cablecos want us to keep watching their crappy TV.
And exactly what great video is developed FOR the internet that is better than that on "crappy TV"? Nothing I have seen(YouTube uploads by idiot slackers with time on their hands?). The video on the internet that people watch are the same shows that are on TV.
Here's the deal, if everything I could watch on TV was on the internet then I could cancel my cable and save $60+ a month.

davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
reply to FFH

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Maybe some of us like the YouTube videos made by the slackers...they pose a different worldview other than that of the MainstreamMedia a.k.a. MSM



FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

1 recommendation

reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

said by FFH:

said by davidl:

Unfortunately, the 'gottahaveit' service won't get developed because the telcos/cablecos want us to keep watching their crappy TV.
And exactly what great video is developed FOR the internet that is better than that on "crappy TV"? Nothing I have seen(YouTube uploads by idiot slackers with time on their hands?). The video on the internet that people watch are the same shows that are on TV.
Here's the deal, if everything I could watch on TV was on the internet then I could cancel my cable and save $60+ a month.
That is a nice dream. But then the cost of internet access rises because someone has to pay to develop those shows. And if it isn't the cable companies TV arms, then the internet arms will pay for it. Maybe, if things work that way, you drop your TV bill from $60 to $0, but your internet bill will go up $40 or $50/mo.
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battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
reply to 88615298

If there are no excuses when can we expect you to start offering 1Gbps service to the people of Rhode Island?


davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
reply to FFH

We don't have to pay for YouTube...it's called 'Advertising'



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

That is a nice dream. But then the cost of internet access rises because someone has to pay to develop those shows. And if it isn't the cable companies TV arms, then the internet arms will pay for it. Maybe, if things work that way, you drop your TV bill from $60 to $0, but your internet bill will go up $40 or $50/mo.
Please. That's like saying if I ditch cable for a rooftop antenna the cost of antennas will have to go up to compensate for the decreased revenues to the networks.

davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
reply to FFH

Yeah, but if your Telephone, Internet, TV all come through the one connection, it's still gonna save a bundle



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to battleop

said by battleop:

If there are no excuses when can we expect you to start offering 1Gbps service to the people of Rhode Island?
That's just stupid. The point is people say Japan can have 1 Gbps internet and we can't because Japan is much smaller and has more people per sq mile than the US. Well RI is even small and has more people per sq mile than Japan so where is the 1 Gbps or even 100 Mbps connections in RI?

besides the size of the US has nothing to do with nothing. What do you peole think there's one wire going form Maine to San Diego and one from Seattle to Miami and another form NY to LA? The vast majority of the US empty space and no one is suggesting spending money on providing broadband access to places where there isn't any people.

davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC

Exactly...and how the hell can they make a long distance telephone call from Maine to San Diego now?...somebody must've got off his butt and ran a line down there



james1

join:2001-02-26
reply to 88615298

I hate to agree with TK, but if everyone did get rid of cable the networks would lose their main revenue stream.

But, the great thing is that that's the way business works. They can either adapt and find a new way to make money off of us, so they can keep making their crappy sitcoms and reality tv shows, or they can go out of business.

The tv shows that people actually like will get far more viewers now, instead of shows being shoved down our throat because they're on before/after the show we came to watch.


Desdinova
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
reply to FFH

Actually, web production is the new big trend with lots of production companies scrambling to create content to host on their own sites or distribute via various file sharing methods (specifically bit torrent). Product placement is paying the costs and companies are lining up to pay for placement in productions; yet another reason the ISP's are fighting to avoid becoming dumb pipes. I'm sure Comcast isn't happy supplying the pipeline for a thousand potential indie broadcasts that they (Comcast) won't see any profits on other than bandwidth-related.

Granted, the number of web productions is scant right now, but the with no restrictions or models for length or content (Disney has one such show that "airs" daily with each episode running only ninety seconds) and with high-end video gear cheaper and more readily available than ever before, the next year should prove VERY interesting for original entertainment content available exclusively online.



funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

Maybe, if things work that way, you drop your TV bill from $60 to $0, but your internet bill will go up $40 or $50/mo.
Right! That's worth doing. The cable network is being shoehorned into a digital mode. It would be so much better if we designed the network for digital data from the ground up.

The cable companies don't need to marry themselves to cable. Every city, town, and village ought to be laying fiber and open the market to all ISPs that wants to serve it.
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

1 recommendation

reply to davidl

said by davidl:

We don't have to pay for YouTube...it's called 'Advertising'
YouTube?! the quality is crap on YouTube.

davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC

Maybe it'd get better if it was served up on a Gbps connection?


boast

join:2005-09-03
Miami, FL
reply to davidl

Well, there is one company for the backbone, and another company wiring the city. With a company trying to do it all in every city, we end up with what we have. When a city tries to do it themselves, the companies bitch-n-moan.

Of course the whole USA having 100mbps would be difficult, but why wouldn't major cities have it?


SilverSurfer1

join:2007-08-19
reply to battleop

said by battleop:

In our current economy you try and sell your neighbors on spending $2-3k plus monthly recurring for a connection that they will not even use 10% of.
LMAO - nice attempt at a specious argument there, but the Japanese aren't paying the Yen equivalent for their BB service.

wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

That is a nice dream. But then the cost of internet access rises because someone has to pay to develop those shows. And if it isn't the cable companies TV arms, then the internet arms will pay for it. Maybe, if things work that way, you drop your TV bill from $60 to $0, but your internet bill will go up $40 or $50/mo.
Boo hoo hoo... me and my profits... waaaaah...

What does that have to do with the fact that people don't like capped services? You just outlined the agenda. If users can get network access from someone other than cable, and programming shifts to the network because more and more television sucks, then the poor cable companies are going to lose profits. And you will lose your stock dividends. Cry me a river, and welcome to a real free market.

Just keep trying to squeeze your quarterly profits. Eventually the bubble will pop...

cw

thevorpal1

join:2007-11-16
Alexandria, VA
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

That is a nice dream. But then the cost of internet access rises because someone has to pay to develop those shows. And if it isn't the cable companies TV arms, then the internet arms will pay for it. Maybe, if things work that way, you drop your TV bill from $60 to $0, but your internet bill will go up $40 or $50/mo.
No. My TV bill is only there because I need cable to my house for my internet. That is the only reason it is there.

And I highly doubt the bill would have to go up. Why? Because those shows are already developed and paid for by advertising. ABC, NBC, CBS... all those shows are broadcast for free because they are paid for by advertising.

davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
reply to james1

Also, they'll know exactly how many people are watching their shows and not have to rely on 'Neilson' ratings and other systems to demonstrate accurately to advertisers how much exposure their ads have gotten.



espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

Please. That's like saying if I ditch cable for a rooftop antenna the cost of antennas will have to go up to compensate for the decreased revenues to the networks.
That's not an accurate analogy at all. A better comparison is replacing your cable TV feed with DVDs shipped through the USPS.

Every major Internet video option today is done using unicast IP. Every stream is unique per viewer, and bandwidth grows linearly with the number of viewers.

davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
Reviews:
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reply to Desdinova

That's exactly what I want...a computer network that enables indie publishers of video content the same way web enables indie publishers of print.

I want to be able to run my own TV station in my living room



espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2

1 recommendation

reply to thevorpal1

said by thevorpal1:

And I highly doubt the bill would have to go up. Why? Because those shows are already developed and paid for by advertising. ABC, NBC, CBS... all those shows are broadcast for free because they are paid for by advertising.
You don't have a $60 cable bill from over-the-air public broadcast networks -- you have that bill from the hundreds of other channels that are not completely subsidized by advertising and require non-public distribution.

If you replaced your public and private broadcast TV with unicast feeds over a network, the cost of delivery is higher. With cable you send one feed, and everybody attached to that segment of the cable plant can view the feed at the same time. The infrastructure utilization is the same whether 1 person or 500 people are watching the same channel. When you replace that with unicast IP feeds, every single viewer needs their own unique stream. So if your video feed is 3mbps, with 1 person you need to supply 3mbps of video server capacity, and for 500 people you need 1500mbps of video server capacity.