Re: Where is the leadership in this country? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21193650 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:56:05 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:56:05 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208450 anon : obama considers 50,000 a year rich because that is where his increased tax plan starts.you need to learn where the tax hike starts yourself ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208450 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:00:01 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21198513 badtrip :
said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Sure. Vote McCain and yet get no Internet and no free speech.
Don't fall for the manufactured and false dichotomy. Neither dem or repub candidate is qualified to be president AFAIC. I'm voting 3rd party this year.

Plus, other than my district 9 rep (I believe she is still "for the people"), I am voting all incumbents out of state and federal legislature.

Want proof our "2 party" system doesn't work? Go to google news right now and read about the massive clusterfuck that is going on in congress as we speak.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21198513 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:24:32 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21197997 DaMaGeINC : Pure speculation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21197997 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:55:54 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21197205 pnh102 :
said by wentlanc See Profile :

You defend the rich who come to this country and suck up all of the wealth for themselves, just because they can.
To quote an old economic axiom, when was the last time a poor person offered you a job? And as for this ridiculous assertion, why would the rich suck money from the poor, who by definition have little money to begin with?
said by wentlanc See Profile :

And yet you will renounce heavy broadband users for fundamentally doing the same thing.
Ahh. You clearly have not read my own posting history regarding my opposition to caps. My suggestion is you learn the positions taken by your opponent prior to arguing with him.
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HOWEVER, in this day of partisan politics, he can get a few sympathetic members of either the House or Senate to introduce a law he would like to have.

Another thing to look at is the polls. Most of this country thinks the President is doing a bad job. (Whether or not you agree with this is another matter altogether.) Congress has an even lower approval rating right now. Now, the President is a single person. Congress is an entity of about 535 people so they get to spread that blame and point fingers.

As for broadband policies, while there should be SOME controls, I think providers should be allowed to build in areas that are already serviced by others. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21196999 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:56:13 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21196884 wentlanc : You defend the rich who come to this country and suck up all of the wealth for themselves, just because they can. And yet you will renounce heavy broadband users for fundamentally doing the same thing. Using the system for what it can give them.

Cry me a river. Take your money and go someplace else. The world will keep spinning without you.

cw]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21196884 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:04:11 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21196850 pnh102 :
said by I pos rep See Profile :

Tax INCREASE for the RICH and Tax decrease for the NOT RICH(aka everyone not in the top two brackets making at least half a million a year or more).
Ahhh. You must not remember the early Clinton years. He made the exact same promise. He'd only tax those evil rich people that steal their money from the poor and then eat them alive.

Turned out that everyone making over $30k a year was not only considered "rich" but they also had to pay Clinton's retroactive tax hike as well.

If Hussein does win and passes his promised tax hikes on everyone, the rich won't pay. They will simply move their money out of the country. Offshoring of jobs will increase too.
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Obama talks about broadband, But I doubt he will follow through on it.

Of course, if he is elected, I hope he does follow through on the broadband plan. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21196833 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:20:15 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21196709 I pos rep :
said by splat1622 See Profile :

and how are you going to feel when your taxes go sky high to pay for all of his projects
Sadly everyone of his tax hikes is in the millionaire bracket. I'm not that rich so I'm fine with tax decrease. If I was a millionaire or billionaire then I would worry about his tax hike. Learn where the hike is. McCain is lowering taxes for everyone but did anyone notice his massive DECREASE in the millionaire bracket while a 1% for poor ass people. Yeah, I sure think his policy is better. I do not believe Obama will get everything he says done but I do believe he has more incentive to change anything that McCain.

McCain:

War Monger
Tax Decrease for the rich and a puny ass one for everyone else
Old and out of touch with the current world. His way of thinking clearly shows that.

Obama:

Gives some damn about new technology
Tax INCREASE for the RICH and Tax decrease for the NOT RICH(aka everyone not in the top two brackets making at least half a million a year or more).

I think I like the second choice better than McCain.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21196709 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:36:54 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21195829 redhatnation :
said by DrModem See Profile :

While getting rid of the other stuff.

Like free speech and all that.

No thanks, I don't need internet that badly.
Where are you reading that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21195829 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:59:21 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21195623 La Luna :
said by Phil See Profile :

said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Here it is: »www.barackobama.com/issues/techn···internet
Unfortunately, the backwardness of caps in particular isn't addressed.
Ahh, I was wondering when someone would actually say that Obama's bloviating had nothing to do with this news article.
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said by knightmb See Profile :

So at least it's better to have someone in a position to try than someone in position who just doesn't care or know anything about technology *cough Bush* :D
Like Obama tried when he was in Congress...you know all those times he tried by voting "present".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21194814 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:08:34 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21194800 Combat Chuck :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

Broadband deployment is much more widespread now than it was in 2001.
If anyone wants some indirect proof of that try going dial-up for a couple days. All these new AJAX like technologies that most websites use suck over dial up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21194800 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:06:33 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21194785 dvd536 :
said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Sure. Vote McCain and yet get no Internet and no free speech.
McCain has same views as bush. we don't need four more years of that. that said i'm not for obama either.
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said by knightmb See Profile :

So at least it's better to have someone in a position to try than someone in position who just doesn't care or know anything about technology *cough Bush* :D
Broadband deployment is much more widespread now than it was in 2001.
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said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Here it is: »www.barackobama.com/issues/techn···internet
Unfortunately, the backwardness of caps in particular isn't addressed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21194090 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:54:13 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193912 trebzon : I don't disagree at all about congress. The Republic Congress was a joke that turned its back on its principles and the Democrat one is no different.

A President leads. He doesn't make law but leads. Bush did some of that but many would argue poorly. I think McCain would do some of that too but I am uncomfortable how. I don't believe Obama will lead squat. He doesn't take a stand unless it is wildly popular. I don't see him leading at all.

Then again look at the choices. What a crappy year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193912 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:23:19 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193860 anon : yea and vote obama and see him sell this country the rest of the way out,or worse eliminated]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193860 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:22:55 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193894 splat1622 : and how are you going to feel when your taxes go sky high to pay for all of his projects]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193894 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:19:21 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193850 trebzon : I hear what you say but you must have federal over-site for utility infrastructure from a standards and safety standpoint. I also agree with the states comments to some extent though. What we have now is a federally mandated policy of no policy. Either put a logical policy in place or abdicate and let the states step in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193850 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:10:22 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193828 knightmb : The fallacy with that argument is that everyone assumes that once whoever becomes president; has magical powers to do anything they want. On the contrary, the congress and senate is where the action takes place. The President has evolved into the complaints department in this country. So that's basically why everyone like to blame/complain to the President about anything and everything.

So at least it's better to have someone in a position to try than someone in position who just doesn't care or know anything about technology *cough Bush* :D
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said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Sure. Vote McCain and yet get no Internet and no free speech.
FUD anyone?

Can we PLEASE keep politics where it belongs? I'm sure Obama would be very pleased to know you're bringing messages he wants hear to Broadband Report.com. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193795 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:00:23 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193786 fiberguy : This is to assume, as so many do, that the President of the United States is THE one that sets the laws as we live by. SOOO many people forget that the House and Senate are the ones that shape laws in this country, not the President; he simply signs them. Even void of his desire to sign them, with the right amount of votes, as we should know, laws can pass with out the President anyway.

So, when people come here and say "vote for this President because he or she will give us X" I just laugh... When I went to school, I was taught that there are 3 branches of government, not the 1 single one so many people look at.

I hope for an entire government that puts country first over personal agenda or party movements. When ever someone talks about "party".. they are talking about a portion of Americans, not all.

And personally, I don't want a "federal policy" when it comes to broadband.. I'd rather leave it up to the States, where most of "America's Business" needs to be in the first place.. or, simply get rid of the state borders and make this country a single state nation like so many politicians are trying to do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193786 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:58:41 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193783 pnh102 :
said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Sure. Vote McCain and yet get no Internet and no free speech.
Really?

You mean John McCain is going to turn off the Internet and put us in jail for disagreeing with him? Maybe he can borrow tactics from the Missouri branch of the Hussein Truth Squad.

»www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGL···th+squad
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Like free speech and all that.

No thanks, I don't need internet that badly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193650 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:33:44 EDT Re: Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193640 sturmvogel : Here it is: »www.barackobama.com/issues/techn···internet

Deploy a Modern Communications Infrastructure
Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes that America should lead the world in broadband penetration and Internet access. As a country, we have ensured that every American has access to telephone service and electricity, regardless of economic status, and Obama will do likewise for broadband Internet access. Obama and Biden believe we can get true broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation’s wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
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Obama '08. Will help resolve the terrible broadband issues we have that put us so far behind other countries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193640 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:32:14 EDT Where is the leadership in this country? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193583 Phil : I'd really like to see a politician (Obama or McCain perhaps?) stand up for what is best for the consumer and spearhead a campaign for all out net neutrality. Capping on serves to stifle innovation and freedom in what people do with their broadband connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21193583 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:21:32 EDT