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russotto

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Scammers

There's no such thing as a valid DMCA takedown for torrenting. DMCA warnings apply only to ISP-hosted content.

ninjatutle
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Re: Scammers

Scammers are no better than thieves...

funchords
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said by russotto:

There's no such thing as a valid DMCA takedown for torrenting. DMCA warnings apply only to ISP-hosted content.
When you're uploading content from your P2P mode, it's ISP-hosted content, isn't it?
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russotto

join:2000-10-05
West Orange, NJ

Re: Scammers

When you're uploading content from your P2P mode, it's ISP-hosted content, isn't it?
No. If it's coming from your machine and simply transiting the ISPs network, the ISP is not hosting it. The DMCA provides protection for 4 types of services

a) Transitory Digital Network Communications
b) System Caching
c) Information Residing on Systems or Networks At Direction of Users
d) Information Location Tools

With a torrent, the data exists on the users system. So the ISP is acting as described under DMCA 512(a). There's no DMCA notification/takedown procedure under 512(a).

The joker is that according to 512(i), to get this protection, the ISPs must have a policy for terminating "repeat infringers". Note that's "repeat infringers", not repeated instances of a person being accused of infringement.

Curious Stranger

@comcast.net

Re: Scammers

said by russotto:

With a torrent, the data exists on the users system. So the ISP is acting as described under DMCA 512(a). There's no DMCA notification/takedown procedure under 512(a).
(c) Information Residing on Systems or Networks At Direction of Users.—
(1) In general.— A service provider shall not be liable for monetary relief, or, except as provided in subsection (j), for injunctive or other equitable relief, for infringement of copyright by reason of the storage at the direction of a user of material that resides on a system or network controlled or operated by or for the service provider, if the service provider—
(A)
(i) does not have actual knowledge that the material or an activity using the material on the system or network is infringing;
(ii) in the absence of such actual knowledge, is not aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent; or
(iii) upon obtaining such knowledge or awareness, acts expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material;
(B) does not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity, in a case in which the service provider has the right and ability to control such activity; and
(C) upon notification of claimed infringement as described in paragraph (3), responds expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity.
Emphasis mine. That would seem to indicate that the service provider has to block access to the content hosted on their network.

leevis
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said by funchords:

When you're uploading content from your P2P mode, it's ISP-hosted content, isn't it?
No, it's not. There's an old analogy that works pretty well here:

It's like trying to make the argument that, if you use the telephone to help plan or carry out a crime, the telephone company should be charged as an accomplice. The reality is that, as long as the phone company was ignorant of your use at the time, they are not considered complicit in the crime.

Leevis
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Vtr_Racing

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P2P is not ISP hosted.

Curious Stranger

@comcast.net

Re: Scammers

said by Vtr_Racing:

P2P is not ISP hosted.
It doesn't have to be hosted. The language says hosted on a system OR A NETWORK operated by the service provider. If you are connected to their network and serving up files, they need to disconnect you to meet their safe harbor requirements.

Signed,
Someone who has actually done this job before.
russotto

join:2000-10-05
West Orange, NJ

Re: Scammers

said by Curious Stranger :

If you are connected to their network and serving up files, they need to disconnect you to meet their safe harbor requirements.

Verizon v. RIAA explicitly says otherwise

Signed,
Someone who has read the law and the relevant court case.

funchords
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Re: Scammers

Don't be too hard on Curious Stranger, that fact surprised me too.

funchords
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Thanks! I didn't realize the distinction.

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