A Confession in World of Warcraft http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21201880 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:21:05 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:21:05 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223246 Tenar :
said by Gork See Profile :

said by tdumaine See Profile :
Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.


Just out of curiosity, what was your reason for this action?
He had to run and tell on the OP.

If no one was ever online in the guild I doubt they would have even noticed. This is a lot of drama over nothing LOL. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223246 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:27:58 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21220668 Mashiki :
said by Gork See Profile :

Just out of curiosity, what was your reason for this action?
Apparently to draw all the bottom feeders here and ruin our little spot away from them all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21220668 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:59 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21218948 Gork :
said by tdumaine See Profile :
Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

Just out of curiosity, what was your reason for this action?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21218948 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:05:37 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21215880 JIGA :
said by tdumaine See Profile :

Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···88&sid=1
Leave here and go stay there please. You'll fit in much better at that site...

:hmm:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21215880 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:35:07 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21215010 Gork : lol - Seems to be the way they always go...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21215010 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:47:30 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21214224 kingdome74 :
said by Gork See Profile :

I am confused as to the purpose of these threads which show up from time to time. Perhaps my confusion lies in the fact that I was edjeekatud in the public school system.
To cleanse their soul then puke their self-righteous morality all over us. Beyond that there is no point.
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"And guess what this liberal would be all about. This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. … would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies. …" - Maxine Waters, D-Cal]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21214224 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:17:16 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21212400 Gork : I am confused as to the purpose of these threads which show up from time to time. Perhaps my confusion lies in the fact that I was edjeekatud in the public school system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21212400 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:27:02 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210656 Mashiki :
said by royhandy See Profile :

Even though there was no official guild bank during the time of the 60 cap, many guilds did use alts as GBs.
We did the same, back in the hay-day before mass keyloggers we even shared accounts so we could pop on to each others and get the crap we needed pre-raiding time, if one of us was running late. Because well, there was no where to store, 180 flasks, hundreds of stacks of herbs and all that fun stuff :) Our banking guild for alts was originally setup for just us, but in the end we had alts from nearly every t2/t3 guild on the server in it, and we did collusion on the AH as well. Prices for needed items were sent to one character, then posted in the gmotd or on one of the guild forums in short hand, which rotated monthly. It was a rather fun time.

Anyway, for the OP; If you've kept your nose clean, had no black marks against you in the past at very most you'd probably have gotten all the stuff you'd taken removed, they'd have kept the 100g you put in; and take a short 1-3 day WoW vacation to think on what you did. The penalty volcano is there for a reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210656 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:47:32 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209603 Kevlar : My apologies then. Being old has shot my memory it seems.

I guess it was a toon attached to that account that he moved along with all the guild belongings.

He was still a &*(* for doing it though, imo. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209603 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:13:06 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209546 Jakiel00 : Yeah I can back up Margolis as well. I still have a toon named "PantyRaiderBnk" from before BC. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209546 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:57 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209076 Margolis :
said by Kevlar See Profile :


As to the gbank issue are you 100% sure there was no such thing as a GBank before BC?
yup, 100%. There were no such things as guild banks until quite recently. The old style guild bank was like roy said. One or more of the guild officers would have toons they used to hold items, just like people still do. But they used some of them for "guild" related stuff. But they couldn't be emptied out by just anybody. Only the owner of the account had access, if you wanted something out of the "bank" you had to request it from the guild/account owner who would then log on the "bank" toon and hand it out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209076 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:05:11 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209057 Kevlar : yeah it was a free balancing thing. Was Zul'jin to Black Dragonflight waaay back in case theres a way I dont know of for it to be looked up. We were having massive queues everynight starting just after work E.S.T. This was one of the only pve-pvp transfers I ever heard of. Caused a lot of static on a lot of forums when it happened as many people wanted to move 60s over there and gank (or try)

As to the gbank issue are you 100% sure there was no such thing as a GBank before BC? I wasnt a raider so never had cause to really mess with it. People who had been in guild were crying about "their stuff" taken from "the bank" but maybe upon reflection maybe the bank was a storage alt of that toon. If so he moved that alt too and I consider the complaint still valid as he didnt obtain the stuff all on his own he doesnt have claim to all of it just because he made the storage toon. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21209057 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:58:39 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208920 royhandy : Even though there was no official guild bank during the time of the 60 cap, many guilds did use alts as GBs.
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the wheels of your life are slowly falling off]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208920 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:47:11 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208772 saillaw : First, to the original poster: you're a thieve plain and simple. Did you expect us to tell you what you did was ok? I think you already knew it was wrong, don't come looking to us to make you feel better about being a dishonorable weasel.

Then to this post:

said by Kevlar See Profile :

Forgot to add to OP:

Yes it was wrong

Yes you're a tool.

Story: Was in a guild long ago and the GM of one of my alts decided to hop to a pvp server from our pve server on his 60 (the level cap at the time) when they offered an incredibly rare (at the time) transfer from pve to pvp. Took the entire contents of the BG with him of course. Didnt even give people a choice who wanted to stay to get any of it. It was basically "come to my new pvp server with me or tough noogies" Now aside from the fact that I dont agree with pve--> pvp transfers (I think you should have to go through the pain of ganking while leveling if you want a capped toon on a pvp server but thats just my opin) what I considered the screwing of the guild really irritated me sooo.....

I made a toon on the new server his toon was on. Harrassed the doodie out of him about what he did till he finally put me on ignore. Spammed trade and general in cities about what he did to tell any prospective guildies to beware. Of course he put me on ignore pretty quickly but couldnt prevent others from attacking him for lack of morals. Luckily for me that wasnt my home server so I could make 9 more toons to harrass him with and add more spaces in his ignore list. Was big fun to me playing my role in Karma.

Actions have consequences kiddies.
I'm not calling you a liar but a couple of "facts" in the story don't add-up to me. First, when the cap was lvl 60 there was no such thing as a guild bank. Second, to my knowledge there were not pve-to-pvp server transfers allowed back in those days. Pay for transfer didn’t exist. I don't remember them having any for realm balancing transfers from pve to pvp either, maybe they did, but I don't remember it. In fact, if my memory serves me right, prior to TBC you couldn't even do server transfers of any kind unless they were one of those free realm balancing transfers.
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Hanging with my Gnomies]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208772 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:04:01 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208758 Thaler : Er...GMs have the ability to check communications logs for *anything*, should they desire. If it's in their game or on their network, they have access to it. It's more the matter of giving a Blizzard GM reason to look up the records.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21208758 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:42:23 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204863 pr1mo :
said by tdumaine See Profile :

Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···88&sid=1
That was a dumber move than him stealing from the gbank.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204863 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:59:48 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204664 Kevlar : "What he did was not "legally" wrong, what you did is harassment and if he would have reported you instead of putting you on ignore, you would have lost your account."

Meh, you're both right and wrong.

Me whispering him over and over about what a d&*%^ he was yes youre right thats me harrassing. 100% with you. I didnt care however.

Me telling what he did to me and the other guildies to people in general and trade, newp, wrongo.

I actually had a brief convo about it with a GM when it happened as one happened to be scanning trade (P.S. Were you guys aware they can actually "tap into" guild chats? Funny. never happened to me but saw a funny series of screenshots years ago about a GM "breaking into" guild chat. Pretty much if it happened and I can even remotely reasonably prove it to a GM then no action taken. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204664 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:32:09 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204599 Dropper : Unless what you took was being held for a time when high level patterns or tier items drop, no one is going to care enough to report what you did.

As mentioned those would be blue-quality pattern ingredients, epic gems, that sort of thing.

No one raiding at level 70 for any length of time is going to give a crap about darkmoon cards or ordinary materials. Blue gems might provoke a reaction, but I doubt it.

Having said all that, I agree with other posters. Taking from the guild bank is fine if you're a member of the guild. If you put stuff in the guild bank and don't want people to take it you're an idiot. However you do have a reasonable expectation that this only applies to those that intend to stay in the guild.

So if you take from the guild bank as you leave the guild, you're just a thief. Not a particularly important one, and I seriously doubt that Blizzard will ban your account even if you were reported.

In order to get banned you usually have to pull some sort of scam to get into the guild, rip it off and then leave. In other words not be someone that the guild EVER intended to have access to their stuff.

The most Blizzard GMs will do, provided they're not menstruating, is give you a warning. They probably won't even take the time to put a 'black mark' against your account.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21204599 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:23:51 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203764 POMPyroIsFun :
said by tdumaine See Profile :

said by POMPyroIsFun See Profile :

said by POMPyroIsFun See Profile :

...when he plans to join my guild officially (he has an alt in it already, but his 3 70s are "officially" coming at that time, despite sending stuff for the bank already)...
Sorry to post about my own post, but this I think brings up an interesting question. If you ignore one character's guild to send everything you would normally donate to it, to another character and it's guild.... is that ethically the same as taking items back from a bank, then /gquit, only to give those items to another guild?

This is not what I did, obviously, but it is just a hypothetical hijacking of my own thread......
You're asking if you send items to guild B instead of your guild A if its the same thing?

Is this a real question? It's darwin material. Send items to whatever guild you please, no harm there, but asking if its the same as stealing back from the guild bank is just.... I don't have a word for this.

How old are you, and were you educated in the public school system?
No, I was not educated on the public school system, as evidenced by my ability to read and write.

You might have been though. Here is the scenario as it played out in my brain, even if my late night post did not explain it properly.

Toon A gives Copper Bar to Guild A
Toon A then steals Copper Bar from Guild A, mails to Toon B
Toon B gives Copper Bar to Guild B
Toon A and B are alts on same account.
Toon A then gquits Guild A.

"What toon A giveth, toon A taketh away"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203764 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:07:05 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203732 POMPyroIsFun :
said by AB_Lazy :

said by WhakkaWhakka See Profile :

said by tdumaine See Profile :

Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···88&sid=1
I bet that went just the way you wanted it. lolfail
Duh. WoW forums is where intellectual discussion goes to fester, rot, and die.

I'm more upset that you gave them a link here to this thread. The last thing we need are WoW anon posters chiming in with their idiotic 2 cents.
FTW ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203732 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:01:19 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203726 POMPyroIsFun :
said by tdumaine See Profile :

Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···88&sid=1
Don't much care. The screen name here has no connection to the toon names. Other than some tool whining about the other tool and causing the preteens to get all worked up, no damage done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203726 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:00:33 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203722 Jakiel00 : I still do not know why people always spam things like "Can someone help me level?" I am now working on my 3rd 70 that I have leveled by myself. Yes I ran some instances, but am against some higher level running me through stuff. The amount of time it would take spamming Guild chat to get a run, I could have done a bunch of quests and leveled past that. So sorry in my book thats not a good excuse.

Also you should not be stealing from the GB, period. I am an officer in my guild and my brother is the GM. Even I can't just go and take something out without at least thinking about the concequences you know? If I do take something out, I am going to replace it with something, if not my daily deposit of 50g should be equal or greater to the value of what I am removing.

If anything you should send back what you took out of the guild and repair your reputation with the GM.

On a side note: ultimately its your 15 dollars per month. If a guild is not giving you the assistance you think you need, leave and find one that will. There may be starter guilds out there that are willing to help people power level. I don't imagine there are many though because so many people leave those guilds to "guild hop" up to the raiding guilds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203722 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:00:02 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203715 POMPyroIsFun : Just FYI... y'all can stop the attacks. Since I felt bad from the start, I repented. I sent everything back that didn't quickly sell on the AH (had a couple hours inbetween) and the gold from the sold auctions rounded up to the next 10g. Apologized for being an ass, and wished them all the best of luck in the future.

So, they are only out 2 toons and a half dozen items or so that I couldn't get a replacement for quickly enough, but replaced with the gold winnings from them anyways.

So, dignity is gone, not that I started with much, lol. But things are back in place. Maybe save some of the wrath though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203715 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:58:42 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203287 Dodge :
said by Kevlar See Profile :

Forgot to add to OP:

Yes it was wrong

Yes you're a tool.

Story: Was in a guild long ago and the GM of one of my alts decided to hop to a pvp server from our pve server on his 60 (the level cap at the time) when they offered an incredibly rare (at the time) transfer from pve to pvp. Took the entire contents of the BG with him of course. Didnt even give people a choice who wanted to stay to get any of it. It was basically "come to my new pvp server with me or tough noogies" Now aside from the fact that I dont agree with pve--> pvp transfers (I think you should have to go through the pain of ganking while leveling if you want a capped toon on a pvp server but thats just my opin) what I considered the screwing of the guild really irritated me sooo.....

I made a toon on the new server his toon was on. Harrassed the doodie out of him about what he did till he finally put me on ignore. Spammed trade and general in cities about what he did to tell any prospective guildies to beware. Of course he put me on ignore pretty quickly but couldnt prevent others from attacking him for lack of morals. Luckily for me that wasnt my home server so I could make 9 more toons to harrass him with and add more spaces in his ignore list. Was big fun to me playing my role in Karma.

Actions have consequences kiddies.
What he did was not "legally" wrong, what you did is harassment and if he would have reported you instead of putting you on ignore, you would have lost your account.

Edit: To the OP - you did what you did, too late worrying about consequences. Now at least you know how it makes you feel. If it makes you feel good you'll do it again, if it does not you won't. The point is this particular incident is done and over with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203287 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:49:08 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203274 anon :
said by WhakkaWhakka See Profile :

said by tdumaine See Profile :

Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···88&sid=1
I bet that went just the way you wanted it. lolfail
Duh. WoW forums is where intellectual discussion goes to fester, rot, and die.

I'm more upset that you gave them a link here to this thread. The last thing we need are WoW anon posters chiming in with their idiotic 2 cents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203274 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:46:44 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203255 Kevlar : Forgot to add to OP:

Yes it was wrong

Yes you're a tool.

Story: Was in a guild long ago and the GM of one of my alts decided to hop to a pvp server from our pve server on his 60 (the level cap at the time) when they offered an incredibly rare (at the time) transfer from pve to pvp. Took the entire contents of the BG with him of course. Didnt even give people a choice who wanted to stay to get any of it. It was basically "come to my new pvp server with me or tough noogies" Now aside from the fact that I dont agree with pve--> pvp transfers (I think you should have to go through the pain of ganking while leveling if you want a capped toon on a pvp server but thats just my opin) what I considered the screwing of the guild really irritated me sooo.....

I made a toon on the new server his toon was on. Harrassed the doodie out of him about what he did till he finally put me on ignore. Spammed trade and general in cities about what he did to tell any prospective guildies to beware. Of course he put me on ignore pretty quickly but couldnt prevent others from attacking him for lack of morals. Luckily for me that wasnt my home server so I could make 9 more toons to harrass him with and add more spaces in his ignore list. Was big fun to me playing my role in Karma.

Actions have consequences kiddies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203255 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:42:53 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203181 Kevlar : Gotta agree here. The assertion that blizz is gonna come swooping to the rescue because someone abused their bank permissions is just.......

I really dont have appropriate words to say that adequately get across my disbelief. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21203181 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:29:51 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202714 Dodge :
said by tdumaine See Profile :

You will lose the items you took. The old guild will get to keep your 100g.

You will get a mark on your account, that will factor in any future actions they may take against you.

Thats "the usual", but, wow isn't like a country. They can banstick ya on a first offense or for no offense at all.

Best option for you is to talk with someone in the old guild, see if you can return the items and get your 100g back before someone reports ya.

Blizz takes a really dim view of guildbank robbers.
Can I have some of what you are smoking? Blizzard does not take actions on guild bank ripoffs unless done by a hacked account and even then its annoying to prove anything. If you set the permissions for the person to withdraw then (according to blizzard) they did nothing wrong. It becomes an ethics problem and blizzard does not sort those out.

Now if the permissions were set for him not to be able to witdraw and he managed to bypass it, then yes, blizzard would be all over the situation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202714 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:42:03 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202593 WhakkaWhakka :
said by tdumaine See Profile :

Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···88&sid=1
I bet that went just the way you wanted it. lolfail]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202593 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:56:05 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202441 anon : 1 - Nerver count on to people to level, as said before leveling is so easy. Only help you should search is for level 70 quest group for exemple.
2 - If your guild is dead, why bother ?
3 - You took a few components ? if they are in guild bank that s because those people did not use them - so who really care ?
4 - Did you took vortex/epic gems/heart of darkness/prinal nether/primal shadow ? no ? so what you take is just junk.
5 - Why bother talk about it ? if guild master didn t send you a MP / whisp complaining about what you did that s probably nobody care...

No interest story anyway]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202441 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:11:15 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202126 tdumaine : Here, i helped you out and reposted this on the wow forums.

»forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···88&sid=1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202126 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:46:42 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202110 tdumaine :
said by POMPyroIsFun See Profile :

said by POMPyroIsFun See Profile :

...when he plans to join my guild officially (he has an alt in it already, but his 3 70s are "officially" coming at that time, despite sending stuff for the bank already)...
Sorry to post about my own post, but this I think brings up an interesting question. If you ignore one character's guild to send everything you would normally donate to it, to another character and it's guild.... is that ethically the same as taking items back from a bank, then /gquit, only to give those items to another guild?

This is not what I did, obviously, but it is just a hypothetical hijacking of my own thread......
You're asking if you send items to guild B instead of your guild A if its the same thing?

Is this a real question? It's darwin material. Send items to whatever guild you please, no harm there, but asking if its the same as stealing back from the guild bank is just.... I don't have a word for this.

How old are you, and were you educated in the public school system?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202110 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:37:26 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202105 tdumaine :
said by POMPyroIsFun See Profile :

Even junk sells for gold if you know your auction house well enough. :-p

Mine happens to be skewed rather high on some of the silliest items.

As for new items to help guilds, those level 70 book-type things should help someone out.

When I joined that guild though, which is why I stuck around, I joined with a few RL friends, they had scheduled raids 4 nights a week, about 50 members originally, only required each member to sign up for 1 raid a week to remain active.

Now it's about 125 members, almost all alts really, no one goes online. The guild forums have not been posted on in weeks, and that was just a joke posting, last raid posted was July, and it failed to get enough people.

One of the RL friends I joined with recently gave up and switched realms, the other one is hanging around until WotLK, when he plans to join my guild officially (he has an alt in it already, but his 3 70s are "officially" coming at that time, despite sending stuff for the bank already).

The other reason for sticking around is that for the most part, I am undergeared to even get into 90% of end game guilds on my server. Heck, I can't even get a decent Arena team together. I do play most nights, certainly long enough for some BGs or Arenas, just not the 4-5hrs it seems to take to get the "scheduled" raid together and run the instance. (starts at 8, most people start logging in at 9, gets real start at 10.....)

I guess what I would actually need is a guild that actually does what it says, when it says, reliably, takes it seriously, but realized that the real world does not revolve around the game world. Which..... sounds like a good reason to just start my own guild and run it my way ;)
Not an excuse to steal. Run your guild as youi see fit, but think many will join when word gets out about ya robbing the bank?

Guild members that join despite that will not use the guild bank for fear you will decide to bail again someday.

If you want to do any raiding, ya start small, not ask a large guild for a handout and powerleveling. THAT right there is why they ignore ya.

Join any guild, start demanding/whining/insisting on help and watch how fast you are deguilded.

If you want to play joe casual style, find a guild that accepts that or solo. You cant be joe casual and raid tho, you dont get the gear ya need to not hinder the raid playing joe casual.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202105 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:35:25 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202103 POMPyroIsFun :
said by POMPyroIsFun See Profile :

...when he plans to join my guild officially (he has an alt in it already, but his 3 70s are "officially" coming at that time, despite sending stuff for the bank already)...
Sorry to post about my own post, but this I think brings up an interesting question. If you ignore one character's guild to send everything you would normally donate to it, to another character and it's guild.... is that ethically the same as taking items back from a bank, then /gquit, only to give those items to another guild?

This is not what I did, obviously, but it is just a hypothetical hijacking of my own thread......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202103 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:34:45 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202086 POMPyroIsFun : Even junk sells for gold if you know your auction house well enough. :-p

Mine happens to be skewed rather high on some of the silliest items.

As for new items to help guilds, those level 70 book-type things should help someone out.

When I joined that guild though, which is why I stuck around, I joined with a few RL friends, they had scheduled raids 4 nights a week, about 50 members originally, only required each member to sign up for 1 raid a week to remain active.

Now it's about 125 members, almost all alts really, no one goes online. The guild forums have not been posted on in weeks, and that was just a joke posting, last raid posted was July, and it failed to get enough people.

One of the RL friends I joined with recently gave up and switched realms, the other one is hanging around until WotLK, when he plans to join my guild officially (he has an alt in it already, but his 3 70s are "officially" coming at that time, despite sending stuff for the bank already).

The other reason for sticking around is that for the most part, I am undergeared to even get into 90% of end game guilds on my server. Heck, I can't even get a decent Arena team together. I do play most nights, certainly long enough for some BGs or Arenas, just not the 4-5hrs it seems to take to get the "scheduled" raid together and run the instance. (starts at 8, most people start logging in at 9, gets real start at 10.....)

I guess what I would actually need is a guild that actually does what it says, when it says, reliably, takes it seriously, but realized that the real world does not revolve around the game world. Which..... sounds like a good reason to just start my own guild and run it my way ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202086 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:29:59 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202081 tdumaine : You will lose the items you took. The old guild will get to keep your 100g.

You will get a mark on your account, that will factor in any future actions they may take against you.

Thats "the usual", but, wow isn't like a country. They can banstick ya on a first offense or for no offense at all.

Best option for you is to talk with someone in the old guild, see if you can return the items and get your 100g back before someone reports ya.

Blizz takes a really dim view of guildbank robbers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202081 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:27:12 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202056 POMPyroIsFun : What kind of action do they usually take for this sort of thing?

I've never been reported for anything before, totally clean record. Just got a little pissed off, resentful, and admittedly childish this time around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202056 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:15:29 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202023 Omega : First off, I think you were in the wrong guild. Why you put up with that for a year is beyond me.

Secondly, who cares if they didn't help you level. Leveling is easy and if you were really motivated to raid, you would have leveled AND geared that alt to raid with.

As for the taking of stuff...why did you take it? It's mostly useless junk and really wouldn't help a new guild, which you plan on making. Do you know what helps a new guild? Gold.

As for being ignore - you were a casual in a raiding guild, what do you expect? In the raiding guild I am in, we ignore the casuals all the time. They do their thing and we do ours. They don't expect anything from us and vice versa.
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Whats smells like blue?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21202023 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:02:56 EDT Re: A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21201951 tdumaine : You are wrong.

You took 500g worth of stuff and put in 100g in coin. So ya, you ripped em off.

The stuff you previously put in, you gave willingly and freely, not under the circumstances that if you were leaving you could take it back.

You have successfully gained the rep of a bank robber.

If anyone opens a ticket, you will get actioned too since bliz has been revamping policies in regards to guld bank robbing and raid id harassment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21201951 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:37:07 EDT A Confession http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21201880 POMPyroIsFun : Ok, not really a question, but I must confess. After 7 months of NEVER finding more than 1 other guild member online and being totally raid-less (with the guild at least) I decided to quit the guild. Now, I have been leveling an alt in the guild, in a class they need more of, and was told I would get tons of help to power level it. Yeah, right, it's 8 months since I heard that part, and I'm still level 42. I could have hit 70 by now, but I am protesting the lack of help (Or lack of anyone ever being online). So I decided to "help" myself while leaving the guild, to my daily allotment from the guild bank. Now, this bank has not had a deposit or withdrawal in 12 days according to the log. Using two characters that were in the guild, and now are not, I took a total of 25 stacks of stuff.

Before you attack me, I did dump 100g in to ease the pain. On the other hand, I took what should end up being around 500g in stuff. I left all potions, gems, leather, and cloth. I took a few Warlords cards, some of those level 70 books for druids and mages, and a few alchemy/enchanting recipes (green quality), and some miscellaneous stuff. I did leave the really expensive stuff alone.

My main motivations were really: 1) Starting my own guild. 2) moving 1 char to a new realm and want to take stuff with me as good will for the guild I am moving to.

Was I really all that wrong doing this? I was in the guild for over a year now, was mostly ignored before the raiding halt, and totally ignored since then. I'm not a bad player, I have given to the bank generously in the past, and have always dropped whatever I was doing to assist a guild member's alt being ganked anywhere in the game world (mage=port=yay!).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21201880 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:10:30 EDT