Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21210621 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:56:38 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:56:38 EDT Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21213464 patcat88 :
said by DaveNJ See Profile :

But Nextel cant stay on 2G technology forever.
Correct. Nextel will become the 21st century equivelent of a pager (20th century). 7 mhz of spectrum is a joke, unless Nextel wants to have psychotic tower density.

Sprint should just silently convert Nextel into a Xohm brand, or silently switch the phones to CDMA 800/1900/SMR (iden freq). The CDMA standards org already made provisions/band plan for CDMA in SMR (although CDMA is now a dead standard, nobody to fund further development since all the big boys, and therefore small boys (for roaming) went to LTE (GSM)).

Sprint already has converted some Boost users to CDMA as part of their Boost Unlimited program. Since Qchat came out, killing IDEN is full feasible now. I havn't heard any criticism of Qchat yet. If there is any tell me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21213464 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:00:39 EDT Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210874 en102 : My Nexthell BB 7100i does a lot of data... mostly email, and some WAP/mini Opera.
It is slow, but fairly reliable.
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I for one, too, just once case here speaking for myself, dropped Nextel over Sprint for the data as well. I definitely miss the PTT side of the system, but, since everyone else I know (about 25 users) dropped Nextel for other brands like Sprint and AT&T for the needs of HSD & for better PDA access.

Many businesses are moving to network capable applications requiring a good internet connection. When it comes down to it, the PTT will lose out in the long run. What's a shame is they didn't do more to bridge the iDEN and CDMA phones like they started, and brought out more PDA iDen capable phones. (THAT was a MAJOR mistake on their part as well)

But, like so many others have said, Spring royally fu*ked up Nextel when they purchased it; and this deal NEVER should have went through.

Honestly, if Nextel would "sprint-off" into their own land again, AND if they'd do something by keeping the PTT and merging the voice and data with a CDMA or other technology, and package it with good customer service ;) .. they'd have a winner. I'd *probably* dump Sprint in a heart beat. (Though I do like the $99 simply everything plan, too)

.. one can dream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210667 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:50:11 EDT Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21210621 S_engineer : Netxtel has a niche. If they focus on that, as well as getting some of their previous industrial customers back, they might just find a foundation from which they can build. Sprint...what a mess!
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said by rec9140 See Profile :


Sprint CDMA
Nexhell iDEN

Totally INCOMPATIBLE.
Yup - bridging technology at best.
iDEN has more in common with GSM than it does with CDMA, and its still not compatible. SIM cards + MAP back end allows for iDEN to GSM roaming with ease, however, there have been very few GSM iDEN (i2000?) devices made, and there were for overseas roaming.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :
They need to convert Nextel into the first LTE provider with very fast data, then it will become a data provider, and good roaming partner. That will save it.


iDEN and LTE have no correlation to each other.

SouthernLinc, NII, and nexhell are NOT phone systems they are RADIO systems similar to trunked public safety as in Motorola SmartZone, M/A-Com EDACS, LTR etc.. They have more in common with Motorola's than the others since iDEN is a Motoroal protocol but the concepts apply.

This is the reason spring and nexhell made no sense to start.

Sprint CDMA
Nexhell iDEN

Totally INCOMPATIBLE.

Plus along with the bandwidth needs of 1.4MHz to 20MHz for LTE after rebanding nexhell would only have 7MHz total between 862 and 869, and in the SE has to share that 7MHz with SouthernLinc. So dedicating the minimum 1.4MHz to LTE and then spreading the rest out for iDEN, plus site issues.... Don't think thats going to help.

nexhell users are there mainly for PTT and thats it. Fast data is a minimal concern for most on iDEN.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :
It would be nice to see Nextel exist as a competitor to Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Alltel once again. More competition will help to keep prices in check.


Nexhell is NOT a cell phone company and is NOT a competitor in the truest sense to VZW etc..

The PRIMARY users of the iDEN systems are users who need PTT aka DirectConnect aka walkie-talkie.

Its just a secondary function that iDEN systems can make phone calls in the terms of iDEN systems this is an interconnect.

iDEN is a RADIO system that has more in common with trunked radio systems most commonly used with public safety than a phone system.

The data features of iDEN could be richer, but for probably 90% of the users PTT and the slow data are fine.

Other than the Boost side of the things the primary users are business or public safety, and their #1 use is PTT.

SouthernLinc and nexhell are in a separate marketplace and attempting for either of them to compete against VZW et al as a cell phone provider when its not their forte doesn't help them, it only helps VZW.....

The purchase by sprint made no sense to start, but some times you have to learn the hard way.

Plus the $BILLION's in re-banding didn't help things either, but thats a whole different topic.
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