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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA
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1 edit | Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? Seriously, what would you want 100MB up and down for? What will you be able to do that you can't do now?
P2P seems like the only thing that comes to mind... 
My little mobile 3G card can even handle my needs. Minus the caps... | |
|  sameshtdd
join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ
| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? You have to remember that with U-Verse, both TV and interent are on an IP network. So, in order to provide service to more than 2 HD TVs in a house and have the same speeds they provide NOW (let alone faster), they need to implement faster DSL speeds from the node. | |
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL
 ·Comcast
 ·AT&T Southeast
2 edits | Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? Don't try and reason with him. He's just walking the company line for ISPs to try and convince users progress and innovation are bad so that you don't bother demanding things like "value" in your products.
EDIT: I apologize for my run-on sentence.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA
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| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? You cant do video conferencing now with your current bb connection? Or do you think you will magically earn more income with a faster connection to provide these setups for your family.
I can watch a security feed from my family's business, a feed from my house and send/receive emails without skipping a beat on my 3G card. Granted, thats pushing the limits of my 3G but easily done at home.
Didkins..
Off sight backup? Why don't you do daily incremental backups? Or are you also backing up your bootlegs | |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
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Huntsville, AL
| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? 5 frames a sec of 340x200 does not a video conference make.
I think he's talking about multi stream higher resolutions, not some little box in the corner that looks like a cell phone cam if you full screen it.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? I don't know what type of setup you have, but I can do full duplexing on mine on a much bigger window | |
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funchords
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1 edit | said by ninjatutle  :You cant do video conferencing now with your current bb connection? Or do you think you will magically earn more income with a faster connection to provide these setups for your family. I think that I can. I was doing it in 1995 both over dial-up and on direct modem-to-modem telephone connections. My friends were doing wireless SSTV at a rockin' 0.125 fps in 1981 (although I never got into that). Resolutions of 176 x 144 pixels and 352 x 288 pixel video were huge progress (think H323 and H324 protocols).
However, that's no comparison to three panels running 1366 x 768, one on each wall, bringing together distant grandparents, children, soldiers ... that would simply rock!
I'm so glad that you know what's best for everyone. Moore's Law is over. All the college kids can quit studying. Since everything that needs to be invented already has been, I'll just go home early for the weekend. Oh, wait -- I am home. I am WORKING from home. Gee, what enables me to do that?
Nice troll, though.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? I'm glad you people think infrastructure magically comes out of thin air | |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? I guess little lepercons and gnomes are erecting towers outta thin air too? | |
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Uald
@bellsouth.net
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| said by ninjatutle :I'm glad you people think infrastructure magically comes out of thin air It doesn't. Everybody knows that. What people forget though is we already paid for FTTH.
»www.newnetworks.com/BroadbandSca···ntro.htm
Starting in the early 1990's, driven by the Clinton-Gore Administration’s desire to create a very high-speed network throughout America, the Bell phone companies claimed that instead of the government taking the lead role, the Bell companies would step up to the plate to rewire America’s homes and offices, schools and libraries with a fiber optic broadband network. It would replace the aging, 100-year old copper-based network with a glass-based fiber optic wire that could handle America’s broadband needs.
From 1993 through 1996, there were announcements and plans that would make anyone think that we were in the midst of a fiber optic revolution. In order to make the country believe that these networks were real, the phone companies spent almost a billion dollars on two groups, TELE-TV and Americast. Americast (the group formed by SBC, BellSouth, GTE, Ameritech and Disney to promote fiber optic/broadband content) was promising 68 million fiber optic homes in 28 states.
What was promised? By 2000, according to the Bell companies' annual reports, press releases and state filings, about 50 million households should have been rewired. California's Pacific Telesis (Pac Bell) promised to have 5.5 million households wired with fiber optic services, Ameritech; which covered 5 states including Illinois, Indiana and Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin) promised 6 million homes by 2000, Bell Atlantic claimed 8.75 million homes, and NYNEX said 1.5-2 million by 1996. (Ameritech, Pac Bell, Bell Atlantic and NYNEX were four of the original Bell companies.)
WHAT WAS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?
The local phone companies are regulated by the state public utility commissions. They are utilities, and offer essential services — phone and data services. The utilities were regulated by controlling the companies’ profits, known as "rate of return". Remember, in the 1990’s there was no competition of any consequence, and so the phone companies had a guaranteed income. It is still guaranteed in that if their profits fail to please, they ask for a price increase.
The plan was to simply get all 50 states to remove this old "rate of return" regulation with "deregulation", meaning the removal of regulation. In this case, it was also called "price caps", or "alternative regulations", or "incentive regulations", all of which would give the phone companies more money to pay for these upgrades.
From the customer side, in essence, these plans allowed the phone companies to either raise the price of specific services, or allowed the companies to not have to give back money for very profitable services. For example, "Calling Features", such as "Call Waiting" or "Call Forwarding", can cost customers $3-$5 a month, and yet cost less than ONE CENT to offer. They could also cut staff, take large tax write-offs for the aging equipment, and get a host of other perks.
(click link above to read the rest of the article)
They got their side of it, they got the deregulation they wanted, the tax incentives, the price caps on public utilities removed, they even talked the government out of doing something they were going to do instead. Meanwhile they feed you a story about how it's just impossible to wire America because we're all so spread out. Why is it they can't even wire our cities? Why can't you even get 100Mbps (heck, now Japan's going to start offering 1Gbps to the home for the price we pay for 6Mbps) in New York where the population density is much higher? Isn't population density the argument everybody loves to use for why we pay the same for speed that is 166 times slower? | |
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join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
1 edit | Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? And let's not mention that Pennsylvania paid Bell half a BILLION DOLLARS for them to wire the state with fiber-and got NOTHING...ZERO for their money! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Look nonja, learn how to read and spell... it's dadkins.
I prefer full backups, incrementals have a higher fail rate, incase you didn't know - I think you just like to argue.
2 full images per month x 3 computers - let me add that up for you:
13GB(smallest image) x 3 computers = 39GB
39GB twice a month is 78GB.
Tell me, how fast do you think I would be able to upload those?
As it stands, I use snail-mail because of bandwidth restrictions. 
I use a whopping 30GB per month, even though I have a 16/2 connection.
Now, it sure would be nice to be able to just point n click to send the images, but lack of speed is a hell of a deterrent.
Answer my question pal, why do YOU need Uverse?
Speed = stealing... right?
Yeah.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? Who are you? His veep? My old comrade Didkins is harmless | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| said by ninjatutle :Seriously, what would you want 100MB up and down for? What will you be able to do that you can't do now? Why would you want top stagnate technologies by not pushing the limits?
We are currently being raped pricewise as it is with regards to speeds and usage.Your carriers are selling you on where you should surf...and capping you if you decide to use your "unlimited" access to it's full potential.
By having low speeds they can justify their cap even more! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | *cough* off-site backups *cough*
Uploading 13-25GB system images is a royal pain with sub mb speeds.
Even with my 2.2mbps upstream, it takes a while.
Let me ask you something friend, what do you need with Uverse?
Scrap it and just get dialup.
All anyone wants high speed for is stealing, right?
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Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? said by dadkins :Let me ask you something friend, what do you need with Uverse? Scrap it and just get dialup. All anyone wants high speed for is stealing, right? Nice anti-troll there, Dadkins. I'll bet you left him speechless.
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| said by ninjatutle :Seriously, what would you want 100MB up and down for? ... who cares? the majority of the US market isn't going to see speeds like that for years.
as much as we discuss "the need for speed" on these forums, it's an academic exercise - we just aren't going to see widespread, AFFORDABLE 100Mbps speeds for probably 5 years or longer.
the US broadband market sucks almost as much as our economy. | |
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Boogeyman
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Huntsville, AL
| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? 5-7 years ago, 3/256 was the average high end and people were whining that we needed more.
We whined and got got enough attention to get what we wanted. If we didnt bitch about it back then, we wouldnt be seeing the 6/768-8/1 average high end we have now.
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? said by stomp357 : All I hear from you is how anyone wanting more speed is stealing. You yourself are using a broadband service. Since all you must do on the internet is email, & websurf (everything else is criminal, or network abuse according to you), just get dialup, or the slowest tiered broadband. Then you would have enough bandwidth, and not be bothered by the bandwidth robbing users.  It's ok for him to have highspeed, because he's special!
Everyone else with highspeed is a theif and steals everything... PERIOD!
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maartena
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Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by ninjatutle :Seriously, what would you want 100MB up and down for? What will you be able to do that you can't do now? DOWNLOAD:
- Use Netflix to download DVD movies. It has gotten quite a popular service, especially the unlimited one that allows you to download unlimited for a monthly fee.
- Download backed up data from an online backup service to another PC.
- I have a MSDN account and test new Linux distros a lot. On average, I download 3 or 4 ISO's from Microsoft and 3 or 4 ISO's using Torrents for Linux distros.
- If you have a family of 4, and 4 computers in the house, you will be able to use the internet all at the same time, and everyone will actually enjoy high speed instead of one person clogging up the line backing up his PC to an online backup service.
- Videoconferencing with some quality, instead of stamp-format 320x200 video screens you can do through your current upload. And this goes hand in hand with family members clogging up the line, as that will screw it up.
- Work from home as if you are in the office, using VPN that is actually allowing you to access files on a work server directly as opposed to having to use RDP due to bandwidth restrictions. Additionally, you can download that presentation video from the work server in seconds instead of half an hour right before you walk out the door to a client.
- Other work benefits include: -- Printing directly to a color printer at work, after you are done with your big, colorful presentation that sends 128 Mb spool files to the printer. -- Directly accessing a database using a SQL front-end without having to use a public web interface, which is not always available with proprietary software.
- Keeping an eye on your business from home, having access to all 16 security cameras at once around the building, so you can immediatly see what is going on when you get the call that your alarm went off.
UPLOAD:
- Host more gameservers. (I host OpenTTD servers at home).
- Easily access your files, MP3's, etc, at a decent speed when you are on the road, in hotels, etc. For instance, pick up a few Netflix movies that you already downloaded at home but forgot to take with you.
- Use SlingBox with a decent videocompression rate, so I can watch my home-games when traveling for work.
- Use an online-backup service for my 30 Gb+ digital pictures that I really would hate to lose in a fire, without uploading it all taking 2 days.
- Actually be able to send large video files of your cousin's wedding over the internet using MSN or another easy to use messenger that your familymembers use.
Need I go on?
Most importantly: Allowing you, your partner, and your kids/other family members to do all of it at once, without one clogging things up for the other.
Why some people keep insisting that all you can do with faster bandwidth, is more illegal stuff, is beyond me. They have absolutely no grasp of what the internet can do for you, for your business, and that there are actually lots of completely legal business and home applications that will become a lot more easy to do with a lot of bandwidth.
For instance, I have long been considering an online backup service for my home, so we can upload all of our important stuff there, suchs as Mozy, which is only $4.95 a month for unlimited storage. I have more then 30 Gb of pictures, and ever since I got a nice DSLR camera, I sometimes come home with ANOTHER 2 Gb card filled with stuff, and it is growing rapidly.
Having to use that with 1 Mbps upload is.... unappealing, and time consuming. If I had say 10 Mbps upload, let alone 100 Mbps, it would be much easier to manage a backup system that backs up my wife's laptop, and my two computers of out most important stuff - totalling a good 60 gb or so - to an online service.
Why people have NO CLUE about what you can do with bandwidth without having to break the law.... is beyond me. | |
| | JasonX
join:2008-04-08
Houston, TX
| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? said by maartena :I have long been considering an online backup service for my home, so we can upload all of our important stuff there, suchs as Mozy, which is only $4.95 a month for unlimited storage. ... Having to use that with 1 Mbps upload is.... unappealing, and time consuming. Actually, Mozy limits your upload speed to 1 Mbps max anyway, so higher speeds won't help you there (I'm a long time customer of theirs). That's one of the ways Mozy discourages abuse of the "unlimited" storage. The rest of your points are well taken, though. | |
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maartena
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Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? said by JasonX :Actually, Mozy limits your upload speed to 1 Mbps max anyway, so higher speeds won't help you there (I'm a long time customer of theirs). That's one of the ways Mozy discourages abuse of the "unlimited" storage. The rest of your points are well taken, though. Point taken. But there are other services costing more money that allow you to store at much faster speeds.
I actually have my own domain and full hosting for $9.95, and I can send at 10 Mbps to and from that host, which I tested with my work line which is 15/15 right now (soon 45/45).
I could setup my own backup system utilizing FTP - and for the MOST important stuff I already have. I have 100 Gb of space on that host, which should cover my 60 Gb of important stuff just fine.
As of late, I have been scanning and fixing old photographs, to create a family tree database that is digitized. The need for more bandwidth is everywhere, and I simply don't get why there are people that actually question what we do with out bandwidth because we want some more of it.
I don't do piracy (or at least RARELY) and quite frankly, it is of no ones business what I do with my bandwidth, and those who think that more bandwidth can only be good for the illegal..... have absolutely no clue about the real world, and the future we are moving towards. | |
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast
| I'm definitely not against more bandwidth but NetFlix isn't a good example.
NetFlix downloads are heavily compressed. 600-700MB for a movie. That means even at 6mbit/sec you can download the movie faster than you can watch it in real-time.
Even AppleTV/Live quality HD (4GB) can be watched almost real time at 6mbit although realistically you will need some buffering to prevent hiccups.
But yes, i do agree that power users need more than 6mbit/sec. 10 or 15mbit/sec is probably a good middle-ground for non-FTTH services. Not quite as fast as we'd like but realistic given the last mile bandwidth bottle necks of a FTTN system. | |
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funchords
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| Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? said by jsz0 :NetFlix downloads are heavily compressed. 600-700MB for a movie. That means even at 6mbit/sec you can download the movie faster than you can watch it in real-time. NetFlix high-quality runs about 1 GB an hour. 600-700 seems too low an estimate.
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Chicago, IL
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| said by ninjatutle :Seriously, what would you want 100MB up and down for? What will you be able to do that you can't do now? P2P seems like the only thing that comes to mind... My little mobile 3G card can even handle my needs. Minus the caps... 1. Faster Upload
2. Stream better video across the internet instead of postage stamp size.
3. Video Phone
4. Download large Game demos
There is four of the top of my head. | |
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SLD
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1 edit | P2P seems to be the only thing that comes to your mind. You sound like a RIAA broken record...day after day. Is there an ignore feature on DSLR? | |
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lifela
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| said by ninjatutle :Seriously, what would you want 100MB up and down for? What will you be able to do that you can't do now? P2P seems like the only thing that comes to mind... My little mobile 3G card can even handle my needs. Minus the caps... i can watch 5 hd channels on 5 different sets with cable AND run P2P. with att i cant watch more than 2 hd channels. what a joke their system is. how long have u worked for att? | |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed? Put up or shut up. Post yer 5 HD tvee's | |
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