funchords
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Re: Who are all these geeks crying for mo speed?
I want to put up a 50" screen in my dining room, along with the dining rooms of my brother's family, my sister's family, and my mom's house, so that we can have dinner "together" once a month.
(and yes, that will be a P2P connection -- quit hating an architecture) |
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ninjatutle
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| You cant do video conferencing now with your current bb connection? Or do you think you will magically earn more income with a faster connection to provide these setups for your family.
I can watch a security feed from my family's business, a feed from my house and send/receive emails without skipping a beat on my 3G card. Granted, thats pushing the limits of my 3G but easily done at home.
Didkins..
Off sight backup? Why don't you do daily incremental backups? Or are you also backing up your bootlegs  |
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Boogeyman
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| 5 frames a sec of 340x200 does not a video conference make.
I think he's talking about multi stream higher resolutions, not some little box in the corner that looks like a cell phone cam if you full screen it.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | I don't know what type of setup you have, but I can do full duplexing on mine on a much bigger window |
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maartena
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| said by ninjatutle  :I don't know what type of setup you have, but I can do full duplexing on mine on a much bigger window Yeah but try to do that, AND have your wife doing a full backup of her system to an online backup service, AND having your son upload his homework projects to the school FTP server, AND having your daughter download a new Netflix movie WHILE on the VOIP phone to chat, AND one computer that so happens to download 300 megs of new updates.... all at the same time.
See if your videoconference from your home office still works right.  |
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maartena
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said by ninjatutle :Off sight backup? Why don't you do daily incremental backups? Or are you also backing up your bootlegs You may not have a DSLR camera, but I have one that produces 2 Gb of data for about 300 pics. Now I don't shoot that much every week as it is just a hobby, but if you are a freelance wedding photographer that does a few weddings and some other events each week because it is your living.... and you want to backup the projects clients haven't PAID for yet to an online service, it can be very handy to have a online backup service.
And I am not even shooting in RAW mode, which is what most professionals do.... and that is easily 1 Gb for 40 photos. The last wedding I was at the guy had to take out his 8 Gb CompactFlash and put in a new one because it was full.
Even completely zipped up and compressed, a freelance photographer can easily generate up to 10, 15 Gb a WEEK that he may want to back up online - until the clients pay him for the work after which he can place them on fixed media like DVD's. |
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funchords
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said by ninjatutle :You cant do video conferencing now with your current bb connection? Or do you think you will magically earn more income with a faster connection to provide these setups for your family. I think that I can. I was doing it in 1995 both over dial-up and on direct modem-to-modem telephone connections. My friends were doing wireless SSTV at a rockin' 0.125 fps in 1981 (although I never got into that). Resolutions of 176 x 144 pixels and 352 x 288 pixel video were huge progress (think H323 and H324 protocols).
However, that's no comparison to three panels running 1366 x 768, one on each wall, bringing together distant grandparents, children, soldiers ... that would simply rock!
I'm so glad that you know what's best for everyone. Moore's Law is over. All the college kids can quit studying. Since everything that needs to be invented already has been, I'll just go home early for the weekend. Oh, wait -- I am home. I am WORKING from home. Gee, what enables me to do that?
Nice troll, though.
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dadkins
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Look nonja, learn how to read and spell... it's dadkins.
I prefer full backups, incrementals have a higher fail rate, incase you didn't know - I think you just like to argue.
2 full images per month x 3 computers - let me add that up for you:
13GB(smallest image) x 3 computers = 39GB
39GB twice a month is 78GB.
Tell me, how fast do you think I would be able to upload those?
As it stands, I use snail-mail because of bandwidth restrictions. 
I use a whopping 30GB per month, even though I have a 16/2 connection.
Now, it sure would be nice to be able to just point n click to send the images, but lack of speed is a hell of a deterrent.
Answer my question pal, why do YOU need Uverse?
Speed = stealing... right?
Yeah.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | reply to funchords
I'm glad you people think infrastructure magically comes out of thin air |
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funchords
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| said by ninjatutle :I'm glad you people think infrastructure magically comes out of thin air (...he says from his wireless network...) *ignore* |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | I guess little lepercons and gnomes are erecting towers outta thin air too? |
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| said by ninjatutle :I guess little lepercons and gnomes are erecting towers outta thin air too? I doubt it, but it sometimes feels like at&t has trained the gnomes and leprechauns to come into our homes and take all the money out of our wallets and in return leave us a little bit more then thin air....
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said by ninjatutle :I'm glad you people think infrastructure magically comes out of thin air It doesn't. Everybody knows that. What people forget though is we already paid for FTTH.
»www.newnetworks.com/BroadbandSca···ntro.htm
Starting in the early 1990's, driven by the Clinton-Gore Administration’s desire to create a very high-speed network throughout America, the Bell phone companies claimed that instead of the government taking the lead role, the Bell companies would step up to the plate to rewire America’s homes and offices, schools and libraries with a fiber optic broadband network. It would replace the aging, 100-year old copper-based network with a glass-based fiber optic wire that could handle America’s broadband needs.
From 1993 through 1996, there were announcements and plans that would make anyone think that we were in the midst of a fiber optic revolution. In order to make the country believe that these networks were real, the phone companies spent almost a billion dollars on two groups, TELE-TV and Americast. Americast (the group formed by SBC, BellSouth, GTE, Ameritech and Disney to promote fiber optic/broadband content) was promising 68 million fiber optic homes in 28 states.
What was promised? By 2000, according to the Bell companies' annual reports, press releases and state filings, about 50 million households should have been rewired. California's Pacific Telesis (Pac Bell) promised to have 5.5 million households wired with fiber optic services, Ameritech; which covered 5 states including Illinois, Indiana and Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin) promised 6 million homes by 2000, Bell Atlantic claimed 8.75 million homes, and NYNEX said 1.5-2 million by 1996. (Ameritech, Pac Bell, Bell Atlantic and NYNEX were four of the original Bell companies.)
WHAT WAS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?
The local phone companies are regulated by the state public utility commissions. They are utilities, and offer essential services — phone and data services. The utilities were regulated by controlling the companies’ profits, known as "rate of return". Remember, in the 1990’s there was no competition of any consequence, and so the phone companies had a guaranteed income. It is still guaranteed in that if their profits fail to please, they ask for a price increase.
The plan was to simply get all 50 states to remove this old "rate of return" regulation with "deregulation", meaning the removal of regulation. In this case, it was also called "price caps", or "alternative regulations", or "incentive regulations", all of which would give the phone companies more money to pay for these upgrades.
From the customer side, in essence, these plans allowed the phone companies to either raise the price of specific services, or allowed the companies to not have to give back money for very profitable services. For example, "Calling Features", such as "Call Waiting" or "Call Forwarding", can cost customers $3-$5 a month, and yet cost less than ONE CENT to offer. They could also cut staff, take large tax write-offs for the aging equipment, and get a host of other perks.
(click link above to read the rest of the article)
They got their side of it, they got the deregulation they wanted, the tax incentives, the price caps on public utilities removed, they even talked the government out of doing something they were going to do instead. Meanwhile they feed you a story about how it's just impossible to wire America because we're all so spread out. Why is it they can't even wire our cities? Why can't you even get 100Mbps (heck, now Japan's going to start offering 1Gbps to the home for the price we pay for 6Mbps) in New York where the population density is much higher? Isn't population density the argument everybody loves to use for why we pay the same for speed that is 166 times slower? |
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spewak
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said by dadkins :Look nonja, learn how to read and spell... it's dadkins. Ninja,
It is not good to fool with Mother Nature, or dadkins for that matter! 
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ninjatutle
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And let's not mention that Pennsylvania paid Bell half a BILLION DOLLARS for them to wire the state with fiber-and got NOTHING...ZERO for their money! |
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