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MyDogHsFleas
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Bonding is for distance not speed

I don't think you'll see AT&T offering pair bonding as a generally available higher-speed product. This is because they can't guarantee that a given customer will be able to get a 2nd pair, and because they'd rather sell U-Verse to a second customer than allocate two pairs to a single customer and get marginally higher revenue from that customer.

I think what AT&T will, in fact, do is to put pair bonding in their installers' toolkits, so that when they go to install a new customer, they can pair-bond if necessary to get the customer connected, rather than telling them "no can do because of distance from the VRAD".

I think that what you will see as a competitive speed response from AT&T is the ability to provision higher-speed profiles for some customers based on distance from the VRAD (just like they do today with ADSL). I think you will also see the rollout of VDSL2 as a speed-increasing mechanism.

I don't understand Karl Bode's tunnel vision on AT&T. He seems to see it as only a speed competition. In Karl's view, since DOCSIS and FTTP are faster than FTTN (U-verse), AT&T must address speed as the first and foremost competitive factor. Therefore everything AT&T is looking at (like pair bonding) Karl thinks must be for speed purposes. Karl thinks that AT&T did not focus on putting out the fastest technology first, therefore they have a fatally flawed offering. I think that tunnel vision is distorting Karl's reporting.

In my view, AT&T's main problem with U-verse is making it available to more customers faster. Where it's available, it's selling like hotcakes and is well-accepted. That program is going very well for AT&T, thank you very much, as opposed to the gloom and doom we see on this board.

I think AT&T will address speed issues as they come up, but I don't think it's their top priority right now.


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I don't understand Karl Bode's tunnel vision on AT&T. He seems to see it as only a speed competition. In Karl's view, since DOCSIS and FTTP are faster than FTTN (U-verse), AT&T must address speed as the first and foremost competitive factor. Therefore everything AT&T is looking at (like pair bonding) Karl thinks must be for speed purposes. Karl thinks that AT&T did not focus on putting out the fastest technology first, therefore they have a fatally flawed offering. I think that tunnel vision is distorting Karl's reporting.
A fair criticism I think, though I'm certainly not alone in the FTTN vs. FTTH criticism, and I think it's more than fair to question the 10Mbps capped transmission capability of a supposed next-generation product in the face of looming DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades. I'm more than happy to expand on how bonded VDSL2 can be a way to make U-Verse more inclusive...but I need more data....

In talking to AT&T, they did mention that their view is that pair bonding is a way to expand their U-Verse offerings to a greater number of customers, but they've been very light on the actual stats...assuming you work for or with them, do you have any data on specifically how bonded VDSL2 reacts to distance? I continue to fire questions at AT&T about this but actual real-world data on bonded distance seems limited because so much of this is still in the lab....best I'm hearing is 40Mbps at 5,000 feet....but that's not proven in the field yet as far as I know...

MyDogHsFleas
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seeing the article today reminds me I never responded to you here.

No I do not work with AT&T. I'm a customer only and what I know I get from the Inter-webs, and from personal experience.

Here's what I have seen:

1) A presentation by Richard N. Clarke of AT&T titled "attvdsl2.pdf" -- I downloaded it from somewhere -- the reference is on the uverseusers.com site but that site appears to be down right now. I'm attaching a copy here. I think you'll find it quite informative. Be sure to look at the presentations linked off of the last slide.

2) General statements from AT&T that I have seen (again on uverseusers.com that is down right now!) that indicate that pair bonding is more a way to increase distance than to increase speed.
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