Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
|  [TWC] ww23.rr.com opting out doesn't work!!!
Hawaii seems to have finally gotten this garbage. I was already opted out as I visited the optout page long ago when it was first mentioned here and opted out then, but just now I got this f**king redirection. I clicked on Preferences and I am already opted out. So, that is a big fat lie that we can opt out. We can't. That is HORRIBLE.
Why can't I block the site in my Hosts file? I can't add it for some reason. I suppose that is the reason for it being "ww" and not "www"?
I went back to Preferences and opted out all over again. I got a message that it takes 15 minutes to opt out. That's crazy. Anyhow, I waited OVER ONE HOUR and I am still NOT opted out!
This is infuriating and inexcusable. 
--
"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason |
|
Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| Is this true:
"You can opt out of their service BUT the opt out does not work for any 3rd party routers, only theirs and direct connections to the cable modem."
»Re: [TWC] Austin - with domain redirect now
If so, truly outrageous. Oceanic does not supply routers. Besides, I like the router I have.
--
"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason |
|
Xizer
join:2004-02-05
Kenosha, WI
| reply to Mele20
Yes, it's the gayest shit ever.
Who doesn't have a router of some sort these days?
I just use OpenDNS, but they have their own redirect too...sigh. Google should come up with a DNS solution, I wouldn't mind it if we were redirected to Google search results instead of a shitty alternative search engine. |
|
Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| Ah...f**k.  So, it is a total sham that we can opt out.
Maybe this is a way for TW to tell us how much they hate that we have routers? TW wants to charge us per computer. I even saw on Oceanic's site earlier today that we are NOT ALLOWED to have more than one computer hooked up unless we pay for second, third ones. I remember that crap from years ago...but today???
Open DNS, Level 3 DNS, etc. they all have VERY LONG PING times for anyone in Hawaii. So, if I use one of them to avoid RR hijacking my browser I will have slower speed but still pay for the faster speed that I will no longer have. Oceanic's DNS servers are on Oahu and ping for me at 15ms. Open DNS and Level 3 ping at 180-200ms. So, that is not a viable solution. Oceanic has us by the short hairs and they think any of us will ever again have any respect for them? I spit on them.
I'm going to request a Proxomitron filter to redirect the redirect to anywhere but that RR search engine that is powered by Yahoo that I can't stand. I have had Yahoo blocked in Hosts for a very long time. I agree that Google should rise up and smite Time Warner, and the other ISPs that are doing it, down. I think Google will do something.
The saddest thing about this is that the ISPs had a sacred, honored role to play in regards to the internet and they have puked all over it in the name of greed. That greed is so strong that they don't care in the slightest that their users now hold nothing but disdain and hate for them.
--
"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason |
|
oldbuzzard
join:2001-12-06
Hudson, OH
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Peer Guardian might do the trick. I think it lets you block specific URLs if you want to - it's a big solution to a little problem but it should keep that page from opening.
Also, Adblock might work if you're using firefox. It also lets you select specific URLS to block. |
|
ignorant
join:2006-03-26 | reply to Mele20
I'm opt out without problems, Socal with my own Dlink router. |
|
sovere1gnty
join:2006-04-05
Lancaster, NY
| reply to Mele20
said by Mele20  :Hawaii seems to have finally gotten this garbage. I was already opted out as I visited the optout page long ago when it was first mentioned here and opted out then, but just now I got this f**king redirection. I clicked on Preferences and I am already opted out. So, that is a big fat lie that we can opt out. We can't. That is HORRIBLE. Why can't I block the site in my Hosts file? I can't add it for some reason. I suppose that is the reason for it being "ww" and not "www"? I went back to Preferences and opted out all over again. I got a message that it takes 15 minutes to opt out. That's crazy. Anyhow, I waited OVER ONE HOUR and I am still NOT opted out! This is infuriating and inexcusable. If you enable cookies in your browser the opt-out will work. You've stated before that your browser is set to not accept cookies. Not accepting cookies breaks a lot of things and the opt-out not working is part of the fall out. |
|
Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY | reply to Mele20
Opt-out in western NY works without cookies. They apparently track by IP or modem MAC ID. |
|
MacLeech
The one and only
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
edit:
October 4th, @05:09PM
| said by Millenniumle :Opt-out in western NY works without cookies. They apparently track by IP or modem MAC ID. It's by modem MAC address listed on your account.
Tech support can turn it off for you too.
I think changing the redirect prefs changes something about the parameters with the IP lease issued by RR, so if a router doesn't accept the new lease parameters properly it doesn't opt out correctly. Those with flaky 3rd party routers may have to reset them after opting out.
A similar issue commonly happened with Adelphia's "walled garden" and flaky routers that didn't update properly when DHCP lease parameters were changed. |
|
Xizer
join:2004-02-05
Kenosha, WI | You're calling a Linksys WRT54G "flaky?"
That's one of the best consumer routers on the market. |
|
MacLeech
The one and only
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-14
SoCal | With some versions of firmware just about ALL routers can be flaky in one way or another. |
|
Xizer
join:2004-02-05
Kenosha, WI
| said by MacLeech :With some versions of firmware just about ALL routers can be flaky in one way or another. DD-WRT Professional is far from "flaky." |
|
MacLeech
The one and only
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
edit:
October 4th, @11:00PM
| said by Xizer :said by MacLeech :With some versions of firmware just about ALL routers can be flaky in one way or another. DD-WRT Professional is far from "flaky." If the settings aren't wiped from memory between version upgrades, yes it can be. Depending on how it's configured, yes it can be.
But if you upgrade it correctly and test the settings before putting them in a production environment, it's much more reliable.
When I wrote ALL routers can be flky with some versions of software before, I was also including the REAL big iron from Cisco, Juniper, and other "Carrier Class" routers too.
Some configurations between different equipment just don't get along well in the first revision or few...
Anyway for those having issues with getting RR DNS redirection prefs page Opt-Out at »ww23.rr.com/prefs.php to work should try resetting their router after opting out. |
|
Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| reply to sovere1gnty
I enabled cookies for the site before I posted. It said you have to allow a persistent cookie for opt out to work.
That makes no difference. I cannot opt out.
Besides, this should be opt in not opt out. My ISP should not force me to set a permanent cookie in order to opt out (if that worked).
--
"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason |
|
Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| reply to MacLeech
said by MacLeech :Anyway for those having issues with getting RR DNS redirection prefs page Opt-Out at » ww23.rr.com/prefs.php to work should try resetting their router after opting out. That makes no difference. I still cannot opt out. This should be opt in not opt out. I should not have to go to every browser, every computer and then go to that site repeatedly and allow a cookie either. That will take a lot of time and TW should not be forcing something like this on any user. Plus, TW has no right to force me to allow persistent cookies anywhere. It should be opt in not opt out.
These ISPs that are doing this have broken Internet protocol solely for greed and they don't even have the decency to make it opt in.
--
"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason |
|
Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY | Maybe give tech support a call on Monday. |
|
Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| said by Millenniumle :Maybe give tech support a call on Monday. I will call Monday. In the meantime, I am trying UH and L3 DNS servers. UH will probably kick me off after a few days when they notice me. UH pings at 18ms about the same as Hawaii RR DNS servers (with the exception of the backup server located at Orange RR in Southern Cal which pings at around 90-100ms). L3 servers ping at 90-100ms. Plus, L3 servers do poorly on GRC DNS spoofability test ...the source port part which is over 40% predictable. Since GNC DNS test is a work in progress that may mean nothing...I've inquired in the GRC Newsgroup.
It would be preferable if tier 3 can just opt me out as I prefer to use the local DNS servers.
--
"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason |
|
MacLeech
The one and only
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
edit:
October 5th, @02:21PM
| reply to Mele20
said by Mele20 :I should not have to go to every browser, every computer and then go to that site repeatedly and allow a cookie either. That will take a lot of time and TW should not be forcing something like this on any user. Plus, TW has no right to force me to allow persistent cookies anywhere. This isn't cookie based.
Does REMOVING your router allow "opting out" to work? |
|
Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
edit:
October 5th, @09:20PM
| It is cookie based in that you have to allow a persistent cookie in order to opt out. I resent that.
Like others have said here, it appears to be the router. I removed the router and connected directly to the modem and the opt out I did a couple of days ago is honored. I changed the first DNS server to one of Oceanic's RR ones. (I later changed the second one also to RR on the outside change the second one had been used when I test. I tested again and Proxo gives me the correct Host Name Lookup error). I then rebooted and then tried to go to a nonexistent website and did not get the TW search page. I got the expected Host name lookup failed error from the Proxomitron.
I am not buying a new router just to solve this problem, besides the one that I would probably buy has been reported in this thread to have the same problem. If tier 3 will opt me out fine. If not, I am going to be really upset. I shouldn't have had to spend all this time messing with this anyhow. It should be opt in not opt out. That way no problems with routers would occur. I find it hard to believe that TW didn't know from the beginning that a lot of routers could not handle the opt out. It doesn't show respect for their users if they knew about this and went ahead with making this opt out. It just confirms what I said in my first post. I am not angry at tier 3 bTW. They are nice folks who are much opposed to a lot of the crap the suits are looking to foist on us users. Some of the "watchdog" tier 1 folks are a different story though.
--
"The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason |
|
MacLeech
The one and only
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
edit:
October 5th, @09:48PM
| said by Mele20 :It is cookie based in that you have to allow a persistent cookie in order to opt out. I resent that. Like others have said here, it appears to be the router. I removed the router and connected directly to the modem and the opt out I did a couple of days ago is honored. Ok... if you need a persistent cookie in order to opt out, then why does removing the router work?
It's not cookie based. If it were, then anything non browser based wouldn't opt out and would still have DNS requests to non-existent sites redirected.
The cookie may be so the RR prefs web page "knows" what you selected the next time you go to it, but it's not for actually opting out.
You don't have to buy a new router to make opting out work, you just have to do what ever your router needs for it to PROPERLY use the changes made to your IP lease. Soft reseting often works, but some times a HARD reset is required though depending on how screwy the router is performing.
P.S. Since you are now "opted out" tier 3 can't do anything more for you. Your problem with not being opted out correctly is with your router not updating it's lease info properly and tier 3 can't fix that. A hard reset probably would, but I know you're against that for reasons you'll write endlessly about... again.
BTW, My Linksys WRT54G v5 router with the latest stock firmware and DD-WRT v24sp1 micro; Linksys WRT54GL v1.1 with DD-WRT v24sp1 VPN; and Buffalo WHR-G54S with Tomato 1.21 Victek all worked fine with opting out of the redirection. I needed the redirection turned off so my own DNS caching servers setup on the routers worked properly while still pointing at the RR DNS servers among several others. That setup is much quicker and more reliable than any single ISPs DNS I've ever used. |
|
