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| 5200 vs 4200
said by Piggie  :Yeap, the shoe fits wear it, meaning keeping your 5200. In this day and time 3/384 isn't rocket science anymore. While it can be shown on paper the new 4200 is superior, it relates manly to it's firewalls and ADSL2. And that is only on paper. So AR5 is better than AR7? It is actually just the opposite. That's not "on paper" that's out in the world in people's homes.  You will notice that the OP's image shows ADSL2+ Modulation on their 3.0 DSL so that means they have the 5200 E242 with the AR7 Chip just like the 4200 which is also AR7 Chip. Only the very early 5200 E240 units have the AR5 Chip. The firewalls are he same in the 5200 and 4200. Look up NAPT please. Run GRCs Shields Up test, and now even turn Off the 5200/4200 Firewall then rerun the GRC Shields Up tests as Stealth is the consistent result of NAPT alone. Even with ADS off, the GRC test result will remain Stealth due to the natural way NAPT works.
TI AR5 ADSL Chip Set
TI AR7 ADSL Chip Set
said by Piggie :I am also only on 3/384 as that is as fast as I can get. Using an older 4200 of which I have a couple spares and don't plan to replace them. Those are all AR7 which you just tried it seems to put down unless I misunderstood what you are writing.
said by Piggie :As far as a firewall and router, if it's within your technical understanding it's much better to run a router after the modem. How much better than 100% stealth does that get you? 200%? 300%? Seriously, 100% dropped unsolicited incoming packets is the best you (or anyone) can ever get, and since the 5200 and 4200 both perform that equally well due to natural function of NAPT, what is there that you can improve on, security wise?
said by Piggie :I run an old Buffalo with Tomato firmware, and none of the DSL modems hold a candle to it's tricks. None of the Tomato Routers can work without a DSL Modem since they can't get ATM sync on their Ethernet ports. I know that you understand the 4200 and 5200 are "2 in 1" devices like your non-DSL Modem Router + a 4 or a 5 port Switch added in (with or without Wireless) that still requires a DSL Modem of some kind to work on any DSL provider like Windstream. You know original Routers only had one port in and one port out, right? You still had to buy a Switch if you had more than one PC. Only in the original days of Bridge-Only Modems (1998-2001) were Routers required to share the connection and the early Routers still needed a Switch as they only had one Ethernet port out just like as the "2 in 1" DSL Modem + Router only require a Switch (2001-2004) then they became "3 in 1" when a Switch was built in (2003-on) and even the latest "4 in 1" devices that have added in Wireless (2004-on).
Now I will agree that Tomato Firmware has all the Bells and Whistles, but honestly not very many people ever touch 5% of all those extras. Many don't understand the advance options anyway just ending up turning them off when they find out they don't work as expected or require studying to properly setup. Simple but Effective is better IMHO.
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October 7th, @03:18PM
| Re: Funky situation alltel vs windstream
The point here was his 5200 worked.
My point is and read my post the technically minded person can really get a lot more out of Buffalo than using the built in modem firewall.
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Re: 5200 vs 4200
Having had and used both of the modems in question, on three different lines in two different states by two different providers, I can say without reservation that all of those specs mean absolutely nothing. The 4200 has so many issues with oddball ATM errors, etc., and locks up, refuses to retrain and generally becomes a doorstop where the 5200 does not. No amount of borrowed graphics and cut and paste text will change that. There is the theoretical world and there is the real world. You'll notice that people tend to stick with what works in the real world. |
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| said by RadioDoc : The 4200 has so many issues with oddball ATM errors, etc. I wonder if this is related to an age old problem with my DSL and 4200. From day one, I have gotten ATM errors if pull the max up or down from my connection. Leads to my modem not thinking I am connected any more missing the hey are you still there packets (can't remember the proper name of them with out looking them up). This would cause resets and reconnects every 5 min to 3 hours.
I finally solved it with Tomato firmware, setting my max up or down to 90% provisioned. I always assumed it was an overhead problem, with me overloading my own connection. But I have talked to a lot of people on DSL that don't see this problem. Now I wonder if part of it is just the 4200.
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Export, PA | Same here. My old 5200 almost never disconnected. The new 4200 frequently disconnects (although only for a couple of seconds)
I wonder if 5200 can do 12000/768? (I have the latest firmware)
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| said by lacibaci :I wonder if 5200 can do 12000/768? (I have the latest firmware) Lac If it begins with E242, then yes it's ADSL2 capable, and can do 12 meg. Those have the same chipset (AR7) that the 4200 modems have. |
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said by lacibaci : The new 4200 frequently disconnects (although only for a couple of seconds) several times a day for me.....good thing I'm usually not doing anything on line when it does
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Export, PA | reply to Icon
Mine is 060-E240-004 so I guess no. |
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| said by lacibaci :Mine is 060-E240-004 so I guess no. Nope. That one was a simple bridge, unless you updated the firmware to gain all the router functions. Then it was the equivalent to the 060-E240-057 units. |
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Re: Funky situation alltel vs windstream
My point was the 5200 worked at ADSL2+ Modulation instead of G.DMT meaning it was AR7 equipped as is the 4200.
You do know it is NOT the Firewall in the 4200 or 5200 or the Buffalo, right? It is NAPTs "firewall like" qualities as people running the 4200 and the 5200 with the true Firewall set to OFF have the same stealth status presented as by the "beloved" Buffalo. NAPT runs on all hardware it is designed for.
Do you know realize many Modems use the AR7? Seriously?
»www.linux-mips.org/wiki/AR7#Devi···ents_AR7
The point of my post was the 5200 worked at ADSL2+ Modulation because it was an AR7 chip just like the 4200. The insides of the 5200 E242 are 4200 if you take them apart and simply look. Just a few revisions to the 5200 E242 board and it goes from being a 5200 AR7 to 4200 AR7 board. Now if you don't get this, I don't know what to say or how to explain it.
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| said by Doctor Olds :My point was the 5200 worked at ADSL2+ Modulation instead of G.DMT meaning it was AR7 equipped as is the 4200. Are you saying these two only run on ADSL2+ modulation, and not on G.DMT? If so, that's very wrong. |
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| said by Icon :said by Doctor Olds :My point was the 5200 worked at ADSL2+ Modulation instead of G.DMT meaning it was AR7 equipped as is the 4200. Are you saying these two only run on ADSL2+ modulation, and not on G.DMT? If so, that's very wrong. No, The 5200/4200 AR7s run on many more modulations than the 5200 AR5 does. They all support G.DMT, but not all of them support the newer, faster modulations. Not that ADSL2+ is the "only" modulation supported, but by connecting at ADSL2+ it proves the poster has the 5200 E242 (AR7) version since the 5200 E240 (AR5) does not support that modulation/can't connect on that modulation and must use one of the other slower modulations available. If it had been an AR5 then the best it could have done is ADSL2 (if it has the updated, last released Firmware).
For example 5200 E240 (AR5) supports up to ADSL2 (with the newer Firmware if available) while 5200 E242 (AR7) supports up to ADSL2+ modulation.
Here is how you can tell what modulations a 5100-5200/4100-4200 will support:
»E242 5200
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xsh> cfg dsl
dsl
mode = mult [mult,ansi,dmt,lite,dsl2,auto,ds2p,red2,emt]
mult - Multimode
ansi - ANSI T1.413
dmt - G.DMT
lite - G.lite
dsl2 - ADSL2
auto - Auto Mode
ds2p - ADSL2 Plus
red2 - Reach Extended ADSL2
emt - Enhanced multimode
My older AR5 unit shows this.
xsh> cfg dsl
dsl
mode = mult [mult,ansi,dmt,lite,emt]
mult - Multimode
ansi - ANSI T1.413
dmt - G.DMT
lite - G.lite
emt - Enhanced multimode
So I am missing these modulations below due to my older Firmware.
dsl2 - ADSL2
auto - Auto Mode
ds2p - ADSL2 Plus
red2 - Reach Extended ADSL2
BTW, thanks for joining the conversation and for being open to understanding what I'm trying to explain. It is greatly appreciated.
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October 7th, @09:32PM
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Re: 5200 vs 4200
yup for example my modem is
5200 the 242 version that is
Model number: 060-E242-A24
Config Part #: 003-6100-G09
Firmware Part #: 004-E242-A1J
»eclement.googlepages.com/dslconnect.jpg
works great, so far no probs  |
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Re: Funky situation alltel vs windstream
said by Doctor Olds :said by Icon :said by Doctor Olds :My point was the 5200 worked at ADSL2+ Modulation instead of G.DMT meaning it was AR7 equipped as is the 4200. Are you saying these two only run on ADSL2+ modulation, and not on G.DMT? If so, that's very wrong. No, The 5200/4200 AR7s run on many more modulations than the 5200 AR5 does. They all support G.DMT, but not all of them support the newer, faster modulations. Yeah, I know this first hand. It just sounded like you were saying they only worked on ADSL2+ modulation. |
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| said by Icon :Yeah, I know this first hand. Same here  said by Icon : It just sounded like you were saying they only worked on ADSL2+ modulation. Don't see how, but if thats what you thought you read, no problem. I clarified what I meant.
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