Re: Sketchy in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21223657 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:01:37 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:01:37 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21227915 tapeloop : Is too! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21227915 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:21:53 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21227637 quatrix : Please stop calling people stupid names when you don't agree with their opinions. People who throw around the word "troll" are worse than the ones they're accusing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21227637 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:16:40 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21225021 en102 : When there was no 'law', AT&T essentially allowed it. Typically AT&T and many others tend to blanket cover themselves (i.e. 'anything other than WAP / MMS / SMS covered by MEdia Net is forbidden, such as VoIP, p2p, or anything 'we' deem bad'.
This is something that I would have expected out of AT&T.
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said by ptrowski See Profile :

I tried to search about what the terms were, but there is no way to tell if the terms were changed or not.
at&t is one of the few who has the policy of notification before any change in terms. If they don't notify you, your terms didn't change, even if new signups have different terms under which they get service.

Contrast this with Sprint, who not only doesn't require notification, only posting on their website, but if you use the phone after they post the new terms on the website, you've accepted whatever they decided to put in there without telling you.

On the bright side with them, at least the terms are easier to find. You're not stuck digging through your closet looking for the contract you signed.

One thing that does annoy me about at&t is that they don't have a policy of sending you a paper copy of the terms under which a particular feature operates when you sign up over the phone. You do in store (on the rare occasion that reps actually give you all the paperwork they're supposed to), but on the phone, you're pretty much out of luck unless you think to ask, and even then I don't know that they can mail you a copy.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224445 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:00:39 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224392 tapeloop :
said by fancydancer See Profile :

said by Maccawolf See Profile :

while I personally agree with you, the law is
"ignorance is no excuse of the law"
I agree with your quote, but if ATT omitted to say it was allowed or prohibited, then it is not a "law"
True. And even if it were explicitly stated, it would be a "Term of Service," not a law. But I'm splitting hairs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224392 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:49:45 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224229 fancydancer :
said by Maccawolf See Profile :

while I personally agree with you, the law is
"ignorance is no excuse of the law"
I agree with your quote, but if ATT omitted to say it was allowed or prohibited, then it is not a "law"
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said by Maccawolf See Profile :

BTW, you know what happens when you ASSUME, don't you?
You get hit with a higher rate? :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224114 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:57:54 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224104 ptrowski : I tried to search about what the terms were, but there is no way to tell if the terms were changed or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224104 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:56:51 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224101 Maccawolf :
said by en102 See Profile :

Exactly. It wasn't part of the terms mentioned as acceptable OR prohibited. Since it wasn't mentioned at all, one would assume that it is ok.
while I personally agree with you, the law is
"ignorance is no excuse of the law"

BTW, you know what happens when you ASSUME, don't you?
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said by ptrowski See Profile :

Plus knowing AT&T, if it was strictly prohibited they would sock people with charges instead of just change the plan.
You can only know them by their written policies, which don't allow for any penalty for misuse of a data plan except removal of that plan. They can't add a different plan or add a different feature (like pay-per-use data) and remain within their written policies.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224057 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:48:29 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224041 wierdo :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

People used it within the terms that AT&T set. Hardly sketchy.
Or not. Unless at&t is stupid, which is quite possible. They've had no-tethering terms on the postpaid MEdiaNet Unlimited plans for several years now. (either '04 or '05) They made the mistake of not having those terms (or international data roaming fees) in their original MEdia Works Unlimited plans.

Surely they remembered to put the same clause in the prepaid version of the data plan.

Of course, I'm a hypocrite. I don't have those terms, and if I did, I wouldn't pay attention to them.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224041 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:47:09 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223979 ptrowski : Ok, this is fun.
My point is saying it is "sktechy" without showing "why" you think it is sketchy is silly.

Plus knowing AT&T, if it was strictly prohibited they would sock people with charges instead of just change the plan.
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Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223979 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:36:53 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223961 ninjatutle : Who says it wasn't?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223961 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:33:41 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223951 ptrowski :
said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Who says it wasn't prohibited?
Who said it was?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223951 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:32:28 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223947 ninjatutle : Who says it wasn't prohibited?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223947 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:31:35 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223933 ptrowski :
said by en102 See Profile :

Exactly. It wasn't part of the terms mentioned as acceptable OR prohibited. Since it wasn't mentioned at all, one would assume that it is ok.
Bingo!
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Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223933 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:28:56 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223806 en102 : Exactly. It wasn't part of the terms mentioned as acceptable OR prohibited. Since it wasn't mentioned at all, one would assume that it is ok.
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223806 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:06:59 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223787 ptrowski :
said by ninjatutle See Profile :

It was sketch because tethering was not apart of the terms. I looked into it at the time and figured it would be shut down at any time so I didn't pay the early term to do this. I would have ended up with more money in my pocket each month.
Since it was not a part of the terms I would not call it sketchy. It was not prohibited.
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Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223787 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:03:44 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223657 ninjatutle : It was sketch because tethering was not apart of the terms. I looked into it at the time and figured it would be shut down at any time so I didn't pay the early term to do this. I would have ended up with more money in my pocket each month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223657 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:40:41 EDT Re: Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223530 ptrowski :
said by ninjatutle See Profile :

It was sketchy to start with. I remember the article and tutorial showing you how to teather go-phone 3G data + laptop for only $20/month. I thought about going this route since I pay $60/mo for a 3G laptop card. It was a work around and the people knew they were doing some sketch stuff.
People used it within the terms that AT&T set. Hardly sketchy.
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Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223530 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:18:57 EDT Sketchy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223484 ninjatutle : It was sketchy to start with. I remember the article and tutorial showing you how to tether go-phone 3G data + laptop for only $20/month. I thought about going this route since I pay $60/mo for a 3G laptop card. It was a work around and the people knew they were doing some sketch stuff.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21223484 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:09:56 EDT