john131971
join:2003-05-05
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| Valvoline put 5w20 in my camry!
The maintains required light came on, 1000 miles after the oil change. I checked the manual as to reset oil reminder sensor or what not. And to my dismay its says 5w30 is recommended, and clearing recall telling the manager that I though that 5w20 was a odd weight of oil, and said that on no thats what toyota calls for! ark
Anyway this the second oil change in about 8000 miles with 5w20. Valvoline changed the oil again. After, I noticed the error and the manager said something about he really put 5w30 in, but the paperwork was wrong, bs.
Had to make them give me paperwork for the free oil change.
Long and short of it.
Any damage done!
I drive kinda of fast on the freeway if that matters.
2006 camry 2.4l 144 fi
42,000
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dirtyjeffer
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| there will be no difference...the only difference between the two oils is their "weight" when it is cold...5W30 is simply a little "thicker" when the temperature is cold out...once the engine is plenty warmed up (as it would be if you do lots of highway driving), both oils are rated as a "5" weight, so they are the same there...i would make sure to follow the manufacturers recommendations going forward, but in this case, there shouldn't be any issues.
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mattmag
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| said by dirtyjeffer  :there will be no difference...the only difference between the two oils is their "weight" when it is cold.. Begging your pardon, but that is a significant piece of bad advice. There are many other factors that come into play besides cold viscosity performance when going between two different weight oils.
All oil viscosity "packages" are not the same, and many manufacturers are explicit in their requirements for that reason. Note I said "requirements", not recommendations. Chrysler for one has a specific oil requirement for some of its engines, and the result of not using the proper oil can result in very poor performance and possibly engine damage.
I agree that "there was a day" when there was little or no difference, but those days are going, going, gone. Today's ultra-engineered engines have driven the need for very specific oils. |
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Doctor Olds
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| reply to dirtyjeffer
said by dirtyjeffer :there will be no difference...the only difference between the two oils is their "weight" when it is cold...5W30 is simply a little "thicker" when the temperature is cold out...once the engine is plenty warmed up (as it would be if you do lots of highway driving), both oils are rated as a "5" weight, so they are the same there.. You have it backwards.
The first number is the cold flow viscosity rating. When cold, 5W20 and 5W30 flow like a 5 weight oil and when hot, they flow like a 20 weight oil and a 30 weight oil respectively. 5W20 is thinner than 5W30 at normal operating temperatures, but it is the same only when cold.
»www.aa1car.com/library/oil_viscosity.htm
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Multi-viscosity grade oils have a wide viscosity range which is indicated by a two-number rating. Popular multi-viscosity grades today include 5W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40 and 20W-50. The first number with the "W" refers to the oil's cold temperature viscosity, while the second number refers to its high temperature viscosity.
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| reply to dirtyjeffer
said by dirtyjeffer :there will be no difference...the only difference between the two oils is their "weight" when it is cold... Yeah you are thinking about 5w30 and 10w30.. In which case that is true and I run Mobil1 5w30 in winter and 10w30 in summer... But 5w20 is indeed the wrong weight oil for his car.
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dirtyjeffer
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| reply to Doctor Olds
said by Doctor Olds :You have it backwards. oops...the funny thing is, when i typed it, i thought it was backwards, but it has been so long since i talked about engine oil, i figured it just looked funny because it had been so long. 
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i disagree...if the oil was changed once (or maybe twice) with one grade of oil difference, i really don't think there is anything to worry about...i already said to follow the manufacturers recommendations, but worrying about the oil change is not necessary...its the same "fear" people have in their minds about making sure they are changing their engine oil every 5,000 kms (or less).
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McSummation
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| reply to john131971
Slightly OT:
I'm not convinced that Valvoline oil is the weight they claim. My evidence - my Diesel pickup is supposed to use 15W40. I've normally used Dello, but the local folks that I've used for years changed to Valvoline about 2 years back. I allowed them to use it and the truck wouldn't hold pressure when it got hot. Had the oil changed (out of town while on a trip) to Dello and the pressure was OK. I now supply my own oil and let them do the dirty work. No more Valvoline for me. |
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Doctor Olds
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| said by McSummation :I'm not convinced that Valvoline oil is the weight they claim. My evidence - my Diesel pickup is supposed to use 15W40. I've normally used Dello, but the local folks that I've used for years changed to Valvoline about 2 years back. I allowed them to use it and the truck wouldn't hold pressure when it got hot. Had the oil changed (out of town while on a trip) to Dello and the pressure was OK. I now supply my own oil and let them do the dirty work. No more Valvoline for me. Was the oil blue? Is this what a shop told you they installed, but you didn't actually see what they put in the crankcase or did you watch while they filled the engine? I've used Valvoline for two decades and never had any issues or pressure problems. I'd think the quality for diesel would be the same.
»www.valvoline.com/pages/products···duct=112
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McSummation
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| Nope, didn't see the stuff. It was out of a bulk dispenser. Oil in a Diesel is black shortly after lighting the fire in one of them, so I didn't bother to look at the stuff that was drained out.
I've got Valvoline in my Astro. Come to think of it, it doesn't hold pressure well now, either. Next time I have it changed I'll go back to Pennzoil and see what happens.
This may be something about the local folks. However, since all of the other "quick lube" places have cheated me one way or another, I'm not changing again. Even WallyWorld can't put the right amount in my pickup. |
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koma3504
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| Does your astro call for 5w/30 ???
I had a problem with a chevy vortec that had 5w/30 in it per the Detroit specs its colder up there.
Issue went away instantly when I changed it to 10w/30 Valvoline.
Kind of think of it i think it did have a lower oil pressure before the change And a bad tick every time i started it first thing in the morning.
No since in using 5w/30 here in the south As hot as it is here the oil will be to thin in my Opinion.
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| reply to dirtyjeffer
said by dirtyjeffer :i disagree...if the oil was changed once (or maybe twice) with one grade of oil difference, i really don't think there is anything to worry about... You are free to disagree all you like, but you are still wrong. It CAN be something to worry about, and I have seen where it IS something to worry about.
Those Chryslers that depend on a particular weight oil will even set a trouble code and turn on the Check Engine light when the wrong oil is used in the engine. There is an actual sensor that monitors the oil viscosity, so yes, they are serious about it. |
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Doctor Olds
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said by McSummation :Nope, didn't see the stuff. It was out of a bulk dispenser. Oil in a Diesel is black shortly after lighting the fire in one of them, so I didn't bother to look at the stuff that was drained out. This may be something about the local folks. However, since all of the other "quick lube" places have cheated me one way or another, I'm not changing again. That has me concerned that they possibly may have put bulk 10W40 All Season or bulk 15W40 All Season in your engine (both are only for gasoline engines) instead as Diesel oil which is more expensive (even in bulk if available).
See what they recommend here:
»www.valvoline.com/crmo/vehicle.asp
What I suggest is that you buy your own oil and OEM filter then find a shop that will change it for you for a reasonable fee disposing of your old oil/oil filter in the process. 
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McSummation
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| It said "blue" oil w/o a weight recommendation. Who knows?
I just go buy Dello in the gallon jugs and take them to him.
I also buy only CarQuest filters. I've tried lots of brands and these are the only ones that have reliable anti-drain-back valves in them. Not even "official" GM filters work right 100% of the time. |
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clubs: | When you click on "Learn more" it takes you to the 15W40 page here:
»www.valvoline.com/pages/products···duct=112 |
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McSummation
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Round Rock, TX | I got there, but ignored the stuff on the picture, as that is usually generic.
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| reply to mattmag
said by mattmag :said by dirtyjeffer :i disagree...if the oil was changed once (or maybe twice) with one grade of oil difference, i really don't think there is anything to worry about... You are free to disagree all you like, but you are still wrong. It CAN be something to worry about, and I have seen where it IS something to worry about. Those Chryslers that depend on a particular weight oil will even set a trouble code and turn on the Check Engine light when the wrong oil is used in the engine. There is an actual sensor that monitors the oil viscosity, so yes, they are serious about it. While it 'can' be something to worry about, for the average daily driver, and one oil change, it's not significant. This isn't a race car engine you're talking about. While current engines have lower tolerance than say my old Ram 150 with 225 slant 6 (used everything from 0W30 to 20W50 in it), I'd be more concerned about viscosity under 'extreme' conditions
a) Heat (pulling a trailer, manual shifting at +6000 rpm, etc) This was when I used 20W50 in my old RAM. It leaked enough through the rear main that I wasn't concerned. The 'spun' oil on the driveshaft kept the bottom of the truck from rusting out in Canadian winters.
b) Cold (starting at -40C. Been there done that... even 0W30 didn't keep all the knocking out at that temperature)
Just to add a bit... how many places actually carry 5w20?
Standard lube:
5w30/10w30,10w40,15w40,20w50 and 30
Common winter oil in Canada, 0w30
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mattmag
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| said by en102 :While it 'can' be something to worry about, for the average daily driver, and one oil change, it's not significant. This isn't a race car engine you're talking about. Well I'm not going to stay up all night trying to correct people on the Internet. It's a shame that there are so many people out there such as yourself who know more about this topic than a Chrysler Dealership Service Manager such as myself...
No race car engine here sir, I'm talking about your basic grocery-getter cars that are all over the place. The engine uses oil pressure to operate the fuel injectors, and it HAS TO BE THE CORRECT WEIGHT for it to work properly.
OK....that's all from me, the all-knowing can take it from here... |
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| And just as an fyi:
»www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/Mot···kin.aspx
Just as an FYI, I did work at GM Powertrain Engine plant for a few years. I sure hope you're kidding about using engine oil to run the fuel injectors. Fuel injectors are electric (at least most are) for gasoline engines, and are regulated by many sensors from O2 sensor, mass air flow, temperature, etc.
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| reply to mattmag
said by mattmag :Today's ultra-engineered engines have driven the need for very specific oils. Today's ultra-engineered advertisements have driven the perceived need for very specific oils. |
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