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4 edits | Hey Comcast!???! You can call Verizon customers "The Slowskys" -- but everyone knows that at the finish line, the tortoise wins the race!      |
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join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
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1 edit | This is backbone... Not Fios or anything else last mile... |
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| said by Fubar:This is backbone... Not Fios or anything else last mile... And it also gives the lie to those claiming there is no backbone bandwidth crunch. Both Verizon & Level 3 and independent vendors proclaiming the problems with backbone traffic. »www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=165279
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Laguna Hills, CA | Just shows there is no backbone bandwidth "crunch". Both Level 3 and Verizon are easily handling the current traffic and looking ahead to an exponential increase in capacity. |
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3 edits | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Fubar:This is backbone... Not Fios or anything else last mile... And it also gives the lie to those claiming there is no backbone bandwidth crunch. Both Verizon & Level 3 and independent vendors proclaiming the problems with backbone traffic. » www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=165279 Absolutely false.
"Level 3 has engineered the network carefully. We have high margins and our IP related revenue continues to grow. It is a good business for us and one we remain committed to"
those margins are not easy to come by, but from most educated guesses I have seen are anywhere from 1500 - 10,000%, not to shabby.
Also Level 3 has fiber that is not even turned on yet with no ip infrastructure around it yet.
From the leading national expert, as quoted on our site here:
»Deconstructing The Exaflood Myth |
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1 edit | Expert was a little understated. In case anyone was wondering, that quote was from Mark Taylor, director of IP Services for Level 3 in Europe. I'm fairly certainly he is familiar with Level 3's capacity |
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| Thanks clarifying that quote. I forgot to put the source.
Data |
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join:2007-10-28
Philadelphia, PA
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3 edits | reply to funchords
Maybe you missed when we did this in the network core in March of this year with Nortel (with their Adaptive Optical Engine - also mentioned in the VZ press release), »ietf71.comcast.net/?p=44, and June with Cisco, »newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2008/pro···08c.html.
(They differ slightly, but you get the point.)
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kudos:5 | Maybe you missed my smileys (I've been trying to figure out a way to make fun of the turtles for a long time.)
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Laguna Hills, CA | Go to ATM, they make fun of a turtle quite frequently. |
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kudos:5 | said by Dogfather:Go to ATM, they make fun of a turtle quite frequently. (??) huh?
(BTW, are blocking IMs generally or just from me?)
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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 ·Clear Wireless
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said by DataRiker:those margins are not easy to come by, but from most educated guesses I have seen are anywhere from 1500 - 10,000%, not to shabby. »finance.google.com/finance?q=lvlt
How can you have a 1500-10,000% margin on bandwidth and end up with a negative profit margin? |
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| said by espaeth:said by DataRiker:those margins are not easy to come by, but from most educated guesses I have seen are anywhere from 1500 - 10,000%, not to shabby. » finance.google.com/finance?q=lvltHow can you have a 1500-10,000% margin on bandwidth and end up with a negative profit margin? You can't. But then you live in the real world with the rest of us.
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4 edits | reply to espaeth
How can you have a 1500-10,000% margin on bandwidth and end up with a negative profit margin?
Spend more money than you earn? Bad management / and or investments? Have you been paying attention to the US news lately.
For being a self proclaimed rich investment type, you don't know much about business. |
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1 edit | said by DataRiker:For being a self proclaimed rich investment type, you don't know much about business. According to Level(3)'s own presentations their gross profit margin is between 55-60%.
Source: »files.shareholder.com/downloads/···2008.pdf
I agree that your argument is much more compelling if you just pull numbers out of your ass though. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And it also gives the lie to those claiming there is no backbone bandwidth crunch. That's not necessarily an indication of a bandwidth crunch. It is good planning. It appears that Verizon is putting bandwidth in place to deal with an all IP future where telephone, SDTV and HDTV all ride the same network as traditional data. Now that Verizon has gotten into the content business with FiosTV, they have to contend with distribution of live and on-demand video content from national super-headends.
Capacity problems, no. Future proofing, yes.
Providers like Verizon aren't fly by night operations where they let circuits run at near capacity.
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4 edits | reply to espaeth
This says nothing about the margins on Bandwidth. Nice try though. You won't find it easily, since its a nasty little secret. I'm not worried because you won't find a credible source that says otherwise.
If I'm not mistaken Cogent's modest take was stated at 1500% on this site before, and they are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to cost, so I imagine that 10,000% would not be out of line for Level 3 comm.
By far the highest expense (besides the initial fiber) is exchanges brokered with other backbone carriers, and these were kept quiet until the age of Cogent, who undercut other providers, something like 1/5th the price. I guess your probably right and cogent just found some "cheap photons"...
As for making up numbers, these are what I have taken just from my limited reading on the subject, and there is not much. I am not an expert by any means, but this is what I have seen quoted before.
Having said that, I know there is only an indirect link between the profit margin of bandwidth on fiber lines a companies gross profit. Level 3 is subject to Wall St. and that means at this point you basically means a companies books mean N O T H I N G. High profits one day, and 70 billion dollars in dept the next. |
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
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said by DataRiker:How can you have a 1500-10,000% margin on bandwidth and end up with a negative profit margin? Spend more money than you earn? Bad management / and or investments? Have you been paying attention to the US news lately. Yeah, try being a customer. Network is great. The rest is a total mess. Their management is terrible, the buying sprees they went on made the mess worse. |
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said by NetAdmin1:said by fAcEtIOUs:And it also gives the lie to those claiming there is no backbone bandwidth crunch. That's not necessarily an indication of a bandwidth crunch. It is good planning. It appears that Verizon is putting bandwidth in place to deal with an all IP future where telephone, SDTV and HDTV all ride the same network as traditional data. Now that Verizon has gotten into the content business with FiosTV, they have to contend with distribution of live and on-demand video content from national super-headends. Capacity problems, no. Future proofing, yes. Providers like Verizon aren't fly by night operations where they let circuits run at near capacity. Well stated. My thoughts exactly, but I no longer bother with the technical corrections of TK's posts. Its a full time job. |
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join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | reply to Dogfather
I have to agree, comcast is just cheap. Their backbone has terrible peering, forcing me to go across the country just to come back to the same city. |
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